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BongGoblin

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Right, i've been lifting on and off since I was a teenager and im now 30. I've been at it solidly for nearly 4 years now and after doing a fair bit of reading I feel ready to take the plunge.

Getting the Test is no issue for me, I can get test 350 or 500, sustanon, clen and tren.

Im thinking just Test 500 to start with, split 250 and 250 every 3.5 days.

THe part I dont really get is the PCT, Anastrozole, Nolva and Clomid. Do I need all 3 of these? Where do I buy them, the guy who I get the gear from looked at me like I was some sort of alien when I asked about PCT. He tried to tell me its not needed for a one off cycle, to which I replied bullshit.

The guy does legit stuff cos I know a few guys whove done it, but I dont know how many are just blasting without even considering PCT.

Can I just get the PCT from a chemist?
 
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bullshit.altho back in the 80's none of us from amatuer level to pro cards did pct it's still needed if you did only an 8wk cycle.keep the adex(anastrozole) on hand just in case you do get sides.many like myself don't get any estrogenic sides at 500mg/wk of test.if you're using test enth or cyp wait 2 weeks after your last shot then start your pct with the nolva/clomid.also if you do get early signs of gyno try some nolvadex 1st.usually it wipes mine out in a few days to a week when i'm on high doses,1gm and up.adex you may only need .5mg 1-2x/wk.you don't wanna kill estro,just control it.too many guys are so scared of gyno they take so many ai/ae's that it kills their estro levels.that will kill your growth as wel.500mg/wk is perfect.no need to go higher or add other shit to the mix.you're on the right track.

i've been doing this 20 or more years and still do a test cyp only cycle here and there,usually when i cruise...
 
Yeah to answer your question you should only need nolva or clomid by themselves for that test only cycle.

Some guys are not very smart and run a roid cycle and don't include pct. Some luck out of bad sides, others develop horrible depression and gyno.

Like the poster said, though it may not be necessary, to carry an AI like arimidex and have your PCT ready for use in case something happens (bad side-effect) or you need to end the cycle early. Good luck and eat plenty of proteins.
 
BongGoblin said:
Right, i've been lifting on and off since I was a teenager and im now 30. I've been at it solidly for nearly 4 years now and after doing a fair bit of reading I feel ready to take the plunge.

Getting the Test is no issue for me, I can get test 350 or 500, sustanon, clen and tren.

Im thinking just Test 500 to start with, split 250 and 250 every 3.5 days.

THe part I dont really get is the PCT, Anastrozole, Nolva and Clomid. Do I need all 3 of these? Where do I buy them, the guy who I get the gear from looked at me like I was some sort of alien when I asked about PCT. He tried to tell me its not needed for a one off cycle, to which I replied bullshit.

The guy does legit stuff cos I know a few guys whove done it, but I dont know how many are just blasting without even considering PCT.

Can I just get the PCT from a chemist?
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The Clomid and Nolva you need for PCT. The Anastrozole you might need on cycle if you are prone to bloating and gyno to prevent both. You can all that stuff from a peptide/research chemical vendor. Just make sure you know if they are legit or not. Some companies sell underdosed shit.

I will say that PCT is not necessary if you plan on being on for life. Most bodybuilders who are pro or amateurs trying to go pro never came off. They adopt a blast and cruise protocol for running gear.
 
Ah okay excellent so I cannot get the PCT stuff just from a standard chemist its proper prescription stuff is it?

As im in the UK how about if I told my doc I was gonna do a cycle, think he might prescribe me some? I really don't like the idea of messing around with dodgy online sites to get what I need.
 
No. He would tell you to get the fuck out. He doesn't want to lose his medical license. That's his livelihood. You either have to find a site online, and there are some reputable ones, or you can buy some from your steroid connect at an inflated ridiculous price.
 
No but all of this stuff is perfectly legal in the UK, I will be telling my doc regardless that I will be going on a cycle because I want a full blood workup done pre, during and post anyway.
 
I dont think it works like that over here, but thanks for the help throughout the thread.

I thought about running a cycle two years back but decided to hold off, I spoke to my doctor at the time about it and he said that he obviously advised against it however he would offer as much medical supervision as possible in case of any liver/heart/bp problems. The fact is its legal here and I the doctors know you are going to do it one way or another, its best they try to make it safe for you I guess.
 
BongGoblin said:
I dont think it works like that over here, but thanks for the help throughout the thread.

I thought about running a cycle two years back but decided to hold off, I spoke to my doctor at the time about it and he said that he obviously advised against it however he would offer as much medical supervision as possible in case of any liver/heart/bp problems. The fact is its legal here and I the doctors know you are going to do it one way or another, its best they try to make it safe for you I guess.
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If your doctor said he would offer medical supervision then take advantage of it.
 
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If your doctor said he would offer medical supervision then take advantage of it.
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definitely but also have a back up plan.there're plenty of reputable sources that deliver esp to the U.K. and all have hg ancillaries.i do from time to time use research chem sites but at times the product's not as strong or underdosed.when it comes to my hcg i'll only use one brand.as far as the clomid/nolva go there are countless hg companies to choose from and are usually pretty cheap.

i know the laws have changed a bit across the pond in the last few years as far as getting things prescribed to you.if your doctor feels that you're wanting the test for other reasons than trt/hrt than he may well tell you he can't help.

we've the same problem here in the states.yrs ago alot of my friends were getting 200mg/wk test cyp,adex,HGH and sometimes deca from their doctors and would be covered by their insurance.now because of people that abused that privlege it's no longer as widely available as it was.now you have to get blood tested every month or so just to see if you're taking in more test than given.if you are then you're usually kicked off and it's no longer legal for them to posess.it's still a gray area here when it comes to ancillaries.research companies are allowed to sell it and you're allowed posession...as long as it's for "research purposes only" and not for human use.search some open forums and i know you'll find exactly what you're looking for.

it's always better to have those things on hand and NOT need them than to need them and can't get to them.
 
Right this is being arranged shortly.

So

Test - 500mg - Weeks 1-12
Clomid -?mg - Weeks 14-17 OR Nolvadex - 60mg - Week 14-15.5
Anastrazole 1mg - Weeks 1-12 (I've been told theres no harm to using 0.5mg every 3.5days, it wont harm your gains but will protect against hormone fuck ups)

So a few final questions if you would be so kind

1. Nolva and/or clomid?
2. What dose of nolva and/or clomid?
3. Is it fine to run Anastrazoe just in case, ie no negative to doing so?
 
for my first cycle i was fine with 30/30/20/20 mg of nolvadex for pct, for four weeks. that adex dose is mad large, im a big guy with estro problems (235 lbs) and i find that even .1 eod seems to be enough to not bloat up or get very red (on 500 mg test e week 5 right now). you need a decent amount of estro pumping to grow. i didnt do adex at all for my first cycle and i didnt get gyno or anything, but i did bloat up way more than i am now that im on the .1 eod. i should mention that i did start with .25mg eod but found it to be to "dry" feeling and tapered down to .1
 
you could just run the adex at .5mg 2x/wk or if you think you're starting to feel the onset of gyno running 20mg/ed of nolvadex will usually make the sides disappear within a week or so.i run it once in a while if i'm only doing test.too many guys go overboard as far as an ai/ae goes thinking the more the better or lesser chance of getting sides.

fact is there's nothing written in stone you will even get sides.that's why it's equally important to have them on hand just in case you do get them.running your estro levels down too low will hinder your gains as much as having them too high.adex is strong stuff.i only use .5 2x/wk if i running more than 500mg/wk,around the 750-1,000mg/wk mark.def add clomid to your pct.it will help your natty test kick in faster than nolva alone.the nolva is basically just to keep the estro levels from spiking.some guys will still run adex thru their pct but i never did.since i blast and cruise for the last 3-4years i don't do pct anymore but will still always keep an ample supply of nolva,clomid,Hcg,adex,letrozole on hand just in case.
 
Ive been offered an alternative of sust and deca, but ive done no research on these at all.

Would I use the same PCT or are these a completely different kettle of fish to test 500?
 
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