first cycle thoughts

keethstone

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Hey guys, im thinking about starting my first cycle, im 26, 5'7" weight 179 with between 10-11% body fat, have been training for over 15 years. The cycle i was thinking about is as follows:

Week 1-12 test e, 500mg/week (250mg monday, 250mg thursday)
Week 1-6 dianabol 25mg ed
Week 14-18 nolva 40/40/20/20
Week14-18 clomid 100/100/50/50
I will have adex on hand if it is needed. Is there anything i should add or change about this cycle? Thanks for any suggestions
 
Hi keethstone welcome to BL.

Glad to see you've been doing some homework, and congrats on training since you were 11, that's great to see!

Your cycle looks fine except (1) you don't need the dianabol at all - no kickstart is needed or desired for any cycle ever, and (2) follow the PCT guidance in our sticky 'your first cycle' as you've gone overkill with all the serms there.

Other than that, how's your diet set out?
 
Thank you for your words of encouragement! Much appreciated. And you think i should just run test without dianabol for my first cycle? I have read it is good to start with just test but also read that the addition of dianabol will increase gains a lot with minimal sides. Is there a particular reason i should start with only test? And i will check out the pct sticky right now as you have said. And diet is on check, usually 6 meals a day, on rest days i stay between 3200 calories, 280g protein, 280 carbs, and 106g of fat, training days i go 3600 cal, 315g protein, 315 carbs, 120g fat. This is for bulking. Thanks for the quick reply!
 
Thank you for your words of encouragement! Much appreciated. And you think i should just run test without dianabol for my first cycle? I have read it is good to start with just test but also read that the addition of dianabol will increase gains a lot with minimal sides. Is there a particular reason i should start with only test? And i will check out the pct sticky right now as you have said. And diet is on check, usually 6 meals a day, on rest days i stay between 3200 calories, 280g protein, 280 carbs, and 106g of fat, training days i go 3600 cal, 315g protein, 315 carbs, 120g fat. This is for bulking. Thanks for the quick reply!

Sometimes less is better, for your first cycle there is no need to overdue it. Depending on what your bulking goal is you might can accomplish it with the test alone.
 
Yes, as Mike says, you really don't need much at all on your first few cycles. You'll do extremely well on very little, especially considering you've been priming your body for 15 years naturally. I'd expect you to make significant gains. And by using less now, you'll create opportunities for better gains in the future.

When you start the cycle, you may want to consider significantly increasing your calories, as your body will be like a sponge sucking in the food to build new muscle tissue. You might start by upping calories by 400-500 on the training days, and taking it from there. You could aim for a gain of 1-2 pounds a week (possibly more), and keep an eye on bodyfat to check you're still on the sweet spot for lean gains vs fat gain.
 
Ok, so new protocol

Week 1-12 500mg/w test e
Week 13-15 50mg clomid ed
Week 15-18 20mg nolva ed
Adex on hand incase of any sides.
Will increase callories by 500 while on cycle possably increasing more as long as body fat dosent increase. correct?
Also, should hcg be utilized in this cycle or is it not needed
 
Ok, so new protocol

Week 1-12 500mg/w test e
Week 13-15 50mg clomid ed
Week 15-18 20mg nolva ed
Adex on hand incase of any sides.
Will increase callories by 500 while on cycle possably increasing more as long as body fat dosent increase. correct?
Also, should hcg be utilized in this cycle or is it not needed

Most people can actually recover normally without the use of any of that. I wouldnt use any of it, but would keep it around to use incase you notice any negative side effects
 
Alright, thank you both for your replys, much appreciated. I will run just test and keep all nolva, clomid and adex on had for any sides, much more simple than my original plan, do you think my original protocol would be good as a second or third cycle?
 
To make a short story long:

There are several schools of thought on PCT protocol keeth, mostly because we don't have the controlled scientific research to make firm conclusions about the perfect PCT for AAS users.

So at one extreme some take an aggressive approach and use lots of PCT drugs for every cycle, as well as using HCG and aromatase inhibitors throughout to reduce oestrogen conversion. At the other extreme many steroid users don't bother with PCT at all, because it often doesn't seem to make much practical difference to recovery in the long run.

However, as a general PCT, somewhere between those extremes, we recommend the protocol in the sticky you've looked at, which was well planned and thought through by one of our mods (GF) here.

In terms of your specific cycle, Mike is right that because it's simple and light, you will probably recover easily enough without taking any PCT drugs, and we typically prefer a 'less is more' approach anyway (SERMS are not without side-effects).

As one of the biggest issues on an AAS cycle (and what causes testicular shrinkage) appears to be oxidative damage/stress caused by highly elevated oestrogen and aromatase activity (the enzyme that converts testosterone into oestrogen) locally in the testes, lately I've been recommending an alternative protocol that should afford a slightly faster recovery than doing nothing:

(1) Take 5g Taurine per day
(2) Use 0.25mg Anastrazole (AI) every other day throughout the cycle
to moderate (but not eliminate) oestrogen conversion. You still want some oestrogen conversion in your cycle as it's physiologically beneficial at the right dose.

For guys on harsher compounds, I would also add in (3) 125iu hCG twice per week. But in your case, you really won't need hCG, and it will increase aromatase issues in the testes anyway which is a little counterproductive.

Hopefully that hasn't completely confused you, but every week we're confronted with new theories on PCT, and I prefer people to be able to make an informed decision of their own.
 
Not confusing at all, completely understood. I will plan to run the cycle as you have stated but will have all other pct items on hand incase they are needed, thank you both for the help!
 
Not confusing at all, completely understood. I will plan to run the cycle as you have stated but will have all other pct items on hand incase they are needed, thank you both for the help!

for sure man, make sure to check back in and let us know how it goes
 
Just a suggestion keeth, and it's completely optional of course, but it would be great if you felt like running a log on here during your cycle and PCT and updating occasionally as things progress or with any queries you have?

We have a lot of lurkers and newbies on BL who rarely show their heads but could really benefit from the insight of a guy who is new to AAS, but motivated, has his shit together, and is running a well-planned cycle. Just a thought anyway. Good luck with the cycle!
 
Just a suggestion keeth, and it's completely optional of course, but it would be great if you felt like running a log on here during your cycle and PCT and updating occasionally as things progress or with any queries you have?

We have a lot of lurkers and newbies on BL who rarely show their heads but could really benefit from the insight of a guy who is new to AAS, but motivated, has his shit together, and is running a well-planned cycle. Just a thought anyway. Good luck with the cycle!

That sounds good to me but how would i go about doing it?
 
To make a short story long:

There are several schools of thought on PCT protocol keeth, mostly because we don't have the controlled scientific research to make firm conclusions about the perfect PCT for AAS users.

So at one extreme some take an aggressive approach and use lots of PCT drugs for every cycle, as well as using HCG and aromatase inhibitors throughout to reduce oestrogen conversion. At the other extreme many steroid users don't bother with PCT at all, because it often doesn't seem to make much practical difference to recovery in the long run.

However, as a general PCT, somewhere between those extremes, we recommend the protocol in the sticky you've looked at, which was well planned and thought through by one of our mods (GF) here.

In terms of your specific cycle, Mike is right that because it's simple and light, you will probably recover easily enough without taking any PCT drugs, and we typically prefer a 'less is more' approach anyway (SERMS are not without side-effects).

As one of the biggest issues on an AAS cycle (and what causes testicular shrinkage) appears to be oxidative damage/stress caused by highly elevated oestrogen and aromatase activity (the enzyme that converts testosterone into oestrogen) locally in the testes, lately I've been recommending an alternative protocol that should afford a slightly faster recovery than doing nothing:

(1) Take 5g Taurine per day
(2) Use 0.25mg Anastrazole (AI) every other day throughout the cycle
to moderate (but not eliminate) oestrogen conversion. You still want some oestrogen conversion in your cycle as it's physiologically beneficial at the right dose.

For guys on harsher compounds, I would also add in (3) 125iu hCG twice per week. But in your case, you really won't need hCG, and it will increase aromatase issues in the testes anyway which is a little counterproductive.

Hopefully that hasn't completely confused you, but every week we're confronted with new theories on PCT, and I prefer people to be able to make an informed decision of their own.

Also sorry for the late question, can anastrazole be substituted for adex, letrizol, or aromasin?
 
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