First Cycle: Dianabol, Test Enathate - opinions/criticisms please. Also, ?? on PCT.

[Mel22]

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First cycle, almost ready to go.

I am of appropriate age, and have been fine-tuning my workout regime and diet for a solid three years now (not all that long I know, but not a complete n00b)..just looking for that extra boost at this point.

Looking at a 15 week cycle as follows:

Weeks 1-4: 30mg Dbol per day
Weeks 1-15: 250mg Test Enanthate 2x per week

For liver protection, I'll be taking 250mg x 2 per week of UDCA.

Now, this is where I get a little fuzzy: PCT and aromatase inhibitors - how much and when?

I have decided on Clomid and Nolva for PCT, but have read so much conflicting information as to when PCT starts. From my readings, it's seems logical to commence PCT ~ 2 weeks after the last Test shot, however, I have seen many a knowledgeable builder begin PCT almost immediately after the last shot?

Going with Anastrozole over Letrazole - Letrazole seems a bit of overkill for my cycle, but I could be wrong here.

So, basically I need help with my Clomid, Nolva and Anastrozole dosages, when I should commence taking each, and for what period of time? Should I add HCG to the list? I'm thinking the Clomid and Nolva should sort things out, but happy to add HCG if it's beneficial.

Also, anything I'm missing? Does the cycle length and Dbol boost seem okay? With spacing out Dbol dosages, at 30mg, how should I split up my dose over the day? I'm thinking 10mg 3 x per day about an hour after meals?

I know it's a first cycle and it's not always recommended to stack due to not being able to distinguish the cause of any bad sides if they present, but I think I'll take my chances and prescribe to the first-cycle-will-be-your-best school of thought. Also, this will likely be my only cycle..but time will tell on that one. Either way, I have carefully considered the inclusion of Dbol and I have decided that I will give it a go. I will be monitoring my blood pressure regularly throughout, and am confident that I will take enough precautions and vigilance to be safe. Any other criticisms or suggestions?

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[Mel22]

Double post..sorry.

 

[-Guido-]

but I think I'll take my chances and prescribe to the first-cycle-will-be-your-best school of thought. Also, this will likely be my only cycle..but time will tell on that one.

For starters loser that attitude. You never take chances when using steroids. Secondly, don't think that your first cycle is the best so that's an excuse to stack everything you can...

Your cycle is fine for a n00b.

Stick to Clomid and Nolva for PCT. Keep Anastrozole on hand for during the cycle if estrogen issues become a problem. You don't need HCG.

I assure you this won't be your first cycle as long as you don't fuck up, you don't get freaky ripped solid thick and tight on one cycle.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Regards your question on Dbol, when and how much..?
For the amount you have chosen (30mg) try 20mg 90mins before training, 10mg 6hrs before or after depending on whether you train am, or pm...
This should take into account Dbols half-life of about 6-8hrs....... 20-30mg is borderline as to whether you'd just take it all at once 90mins before gym....
When using doses much larger 80-100mg/day you may consider splitting the dose up into 3 X/day.........

Try taking your Dbol with grapefruit juice... Here is an interesting study:..... http://www.ergo-log.com/grapefruit.html

 

[Mel22]

For starters loser that attitude. You never take chances when using steroids. Secondly, don't think that your first cycle is the best so that's an excuse to stack everything you can...

In hindsight, I can see that my wording may have been misleading and I should clarify: I will take my "chances" with stacking Dbol instead of omitting it from my first cycle; I do not intend to take reckless chances or make uninformed decisions. I have weighed up the pros and cons, and am willing to risk not being able to identify what is causing the possible side effects. I included that statement merely to show that I have indeed researched and considered the fact that it may be beneficial to do a Test only first cycle, and to demonstrate that I was aware of the differing opinions before I made the decision to include an oral also. You always take chances to some extent when using steroids (risking sides etc.) but I feel that I am taking the appropriate precautions. I hate to have come off as having a poor or reckless attitude towards this, and I hope this clears that up.

Thank-you -Guido- for your other advice, I will take it on board and follow it.

Genetik Freak - thank-you, I will first split up 20/10 like you suggest, and if all proceeds well, I may see how the one dosage before working out goes also. Thank-you for the link - I'll have some grapefruit juice on hand and give it a go after I gauge how sensitive I am to the potential sides of Dbol.

Just wondering if I could get a little help on:

So, basically I need help with my Clomid, Nolva and Anastrozole dosages, when I should commence taking each, and for what period of time?

So much conflicting information. I am thinking of starting PCT 14 days after last Test Shot for four weeks at: Nolva 40/40/20/20, Clomid 100/50/50/50.

The other option I'm considering is:
Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

Any advice as to which would likely suit better, or will either do fine?

I will take Anastrazole only if oestrogen issues present, or if bloating gets really bad I may go .25 every third day or so. I want my joints etc. to stay happy.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Clomids a bit harsh to be considering 200mg...... The amount of Test you are using isn't massive, so could try Nolva 20mg 4 weeks, Clomid 50mg 1-2 weeks both starting two weeks after your last Test-E shot...........

 

[Mel22]

Sounds good to me, thought 200mg may have been a bit excessive.

Will do Nolva 20/20/20/20 and Clomid 50/50 then and see how I go.

I have also, upon further research, decided that I will be taking my AI during cycle.

Thanks again for all of your help.