Originally posted by MDApleeze
heard a rumor that QT will make vol. 3 in literally 15 years...
heard a rumor that QT will make vol. 3 in literally 15 years...
most recent entertainment weekly confirms same.
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film: Kill Bill
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most recent entertainment weekly confirms same.
alasdair
Strawberry_lovemuffin
Bluelighter
Violent? Pfft, I can handle it!
Finally bit the bullet (lol) and saw this on DVD on the weekend. I had avoided it religiously when it was in the cinemas, thinking I couldn't handle the violence and blood. All the "oh, it's so VIOLENT" reviews scared me off.
But, like Pulp Fiction, Silence of the Lambs and Romper Stomper - all of which I'd dodged in a similar fashion - it was really good !
I surprised myself, didn't even look away or cower behind a pillow during the gory bits. :D In fact, I thought the big fight scene where The Bride killed all those Japanese men was hilarious.
I can't wait to see Vol. 2 now.
Finally bit the bullet (lol) and saw this on DVD on the weekend. I had avoided it religiously when it was in the cinemas, thinking I couldn't handle the violence and blood. All the "oh, it's so VIOLENT" reviews scared me off.
But, like Pulp Fiction, Silence of the Lambs and Romper Stomper - all of which I'd dodged in a similar fashion - it was really good !
I surprised myself, didn't even look away or cower behind a pillow during the gory bits. :D In fact, I thought the big fight scene where The Bride killed all those Japanese men was hilarious.
I can't wait to see Vol. 2 now.
Pander Bear
Bluelight Crew
^^
yay, romper stomper!
"kick 'em if he yellow, kick 'em if he brown"!
yay, romper stomper!
"kick 'em if he yellow, kick 'em if he brown"!
-spiderman- said:
Actually...no. Chiaki Kuriyama played the role of Chigusa in Battle Royale. And damn...she looks quite psychotic during her most famous scene in that film.
It's taken me a long time to see this film, but after my first viewing, I have some mixed opinions, but felt the film is quite good in general.
I'm just not a fan of the "One movie split into two" concepts, and that's mainly my gripe with this film. It doesn't feel like a film that can stand alone. The imagery and cinematography is absolute top notch work, however, and I enjoyed the visual feast very much. Having to watch a second film to fully grasp the first film discounts them as individual films, imo.
Like the Matrix Reloaded, I was annoyed by the way the film ended, with a cliffhanger. It's a concept I don't want to see return to films in prominent fashion, but I fear may. I was also a little disappointed with some of the individual fighting, particularly O-Ren vs. The Bride...after all the work to explain the origin of O-Ren...but aside from that, great battle sequences.
The mixture of Japanese and English is something I appreciated greatly and I hope more stuidos will consider incorporating multiple languages into storylines for future films.
The music was perfect for such a film. GREAT JOB from the RZA. And again, the cinematography, as well as set design, editing, and the incorporation of anime, all lend to a positive result of filmmaking.
CD WOW = Delivery WOW!!!!
My bro and I ordered 9 items through CD WOW last thursday. 7 of the 9 items arrived here in Australia on Monday and the other 2 on Tuesday. 2-3 Working days.
That's bloody fantastic for free international shipping!!
Anyway, one of the last two items is my copy of Kill Bill Vol 1 Japanese Uncut Version. All I can say is this movie is so much better complete.
I've read that it's only just over a minute more, but the several extra shots, mixed with the full colour restaurant battle makes a HUGE and noticeable difference!
*******SPOILERS**************
Additional shots as cut from IMDB
The Japanese cut, while only a little over a minute longer than the US cut, features not only a full color version of the "House of Blue Leaves" fight, but some quick new shots in the anime scenes as well as some alternate footage, most cut/altered to avoid an NC-17 rating:
The opening scene between The Bride and Vernita Green has two alternate angles shown when The Bride asks for a towel instead of keeping the overhead shot.
In the anime sequence, one of Boss Matsumoto's men has his face smashed into a wall twice, rather then just once.
In the anime sequence, when O-Ren Ishii kills Matsumoto and tells him to look at her face, she asks him to look at more facial features (nose, chin. etc.) to be recognized, and then before pulling the knife out, there is a close up shot of her moving the knife up his stomach and then finally pulling it out. There are a couple of close up shots of Matsumoto's face as he's dying as well that were eliminated from the US print and then a pan up shot of Matsumoto's blood covered and disemboweled body.
The "House of Blue Leaves" fight is not only in full color, but features about 9 new shots missing from the US print which include:
A close up of the first female Crazy 88 (Julie Manase) gargling blood after being pinned to a wodden pillar by a sword. This shot, while cut from the US version of Vol 1, showed up in the end credits of the US cut of Vol 2.
A shot of The Bride stabbing two Crazy 88s at once using her own sword as well as another Crazy 88's sword.
A ten foot high super backflip that The Bride executes before landing back down to pop out one of the Crazy 88's eyes. This shot appeared in the TV spot teaser, but disappeared soon after.
After The Bride pops out the one Crazy 88's eye, as another one charges at her screaming, she simply throws the eye into the attackers mouth, causing him to start to choke. The partially armless Sofie Fatale gives a follow up disgusted reaction.
A shot of another female Crazy 88 attacking only to get slashed in the throat and spraying blood everywhere.
The first appearance of the "Kid Crazy 88" (the one who gets spanked with the sword). In this shot, we now find out why he's missing a mask later on. As he's about to attack The Bride, she swipes his mask off. We see he's just a kid, and he gives the universal "don't hurt me" sign. The Bride has a look of shock on her face in realizing he's just a kid, so she grabs him, throws him across, knocking 3-4 Crazy 88 into a blood filled mini pool. This shot of the 3-4 falling, while cut from the US version of Vol 1, also showed up in the end credits of the US cut of Vol 2. Overall, this "mini scene" helps establish The Bride's look of surprise even more when she sees the young Crazy 88 the last time... and his follow up "don't hurt me" look even funnier.
A shot of a Crazy 88 getting slashed across the chest and spraying blood all over a wall.
When The Bride jumps onto the shoulders of one of the Crazy 88, after she slashes another one across the face, the Crazy 88 she's standing on tries to attack her from below. She parries the attack and cuts his hands off. The shot then cuts to the forward sommersault.
Since the fight is already in color, the close up "eye shot" of The Bride blinking is cut. Instead, the first part of the close up before she blinks is shown, however, at the point when she normally blinks, there is a replacement medium shot of her standing slightly fatigued and holding her sword out.
Finally, after the "House of Blue Leaves" fight, is the most infamous of the missing scenes and that is Sofie Fatale's extended "trunk interrogation" scene. After The Bride warns Sofie about cutting off something, instead of cutting back to Sofie in the hospital, The Bride is shown grabbing Sofie's arm and screams "GIVE ME YOUR OTHER ARM!". Sofie starts to panic, but then The Bride chops off her other arm, causing blood to splash onto the screen and Sofie begins screaming again.
My bro and I ordered 9 items through CD WOW last thursday. 7 of the 9 items arrived here in Australia on Monday and the other 2 on Tuesday. 2-3 Working days.
That's bloody fantastic for free international shipping!!
Anyway, one of the last two items is my copy of Kill Bill Vol 1 Japanese Uncut Version. All I can say is this movie is so much better complete.
I've read that it's only just over a minute more, but the several extra shots, mixed with the full colour restaurant battle makes a HUGE and noticeable difference!
*******SPOILERS**************
Additional shots as cut from IMDB
The Japanese cut, while only a little over a minute longer than the US cut, features not only a full color version of the "House of Blue Leaves" fight, but some quick new shots in the anime scenes as well as some alternate footage, most cut/altered to avoid an NC-17 rating:
The opening scene between The Bride and Vernita Green has two alternate angles shown when The Bride asks for a towel instead of keeping the overhead shot.
In the anime sequence, one of Boss Matsumoto's men has his face smashed into a wall twice, rather then just once.
In the anime sequence, when O-Ren Ishii kills Matsumoto and tells him to look at her face, she asks him to look at more facial features (nose, chin. etc.) to be recognized, and then before pulling the knife out, there is a close up shot of her moving the knife up his stomach and then finally pulling it out. There are a couple of close up shots of Matsumoto's face as he's dying as well that were eliminated from the US print and then a pan up shot of Matsumoto's blood covered and disemboweled body.
The "House of Blue Leaves" fight is not only in full color, but features about 9 new shots missing from the US print which include:
A close up of the first female Crazy 88 (Julie Manase) gargling blood after being pinned to a wodden pillar by a sword. This shot, while cut from the US version of Vol 1, showed up in the end credits of the US cut of Vol 2.
A shot of The Bride stabbing two Crazy 88s at once using her own sword as well as another Crazy 88's sword.
A ten foot high super backflip that The Bride executes before landing back down to pop out one of the Crazy 88's eyes. This shot appeared in the TV spot teaser, but disappeared soon after.
After The Bride pops out the one Crazy 88's eye, as another one charges at her screaming, she simply throws the eye into the attackers mouth, causing him to start to choke. The partially armless Sofie Fatale gives a follow up disgusted reaction.
A shot of another female Crazy 88 attacking only to get slashed in the throat and spraying blood everywhere.
The first appearance of the "Kid Crazy 88" (the one who gets spanked with the sword). In this shot, we now find out why he's missing a mask later on. As he's about to attack The Bride, she swipes his mask off. We see he's just a kid, and he gives the universal "don't hurt me" sign. The Bride has a look of shock on her face in realizing he's just a kid, so she grabs him, throws him across, knocking 3-4 Crazy 88 into a blood filled mini pool. This shot of the 3-4 falling, while cut from the US version of Vol 1, also showed up in the end credits of the US cut of Vol 2. Overall, this "mini scene" helps establish The Bride's look of surprise even more when she sees the young Crazy 88 the last time... and his follow up "don't hurt me" look even funnier.
A shot of a Crazy 88 getting slashed across the chest and spraying blood all over a wall.
When The Bride jumps onto the shoulders of one of the Crazy 88, after she slashes another one across the face, the Crazy 88 she's standing on tries to attack her from below. She parries the attack and cuts his hands off. The shot then cuts to the forward sommersault.
Since the fight is already in color, the close up "eye shot" of The Bride blinking is cut. Instead, the first part of the close up before she blinks is shown, however, at the point when she normally blinks, there is a replacement medium shot of her standing slightly fatigued and holding her sword out.
Finally, after the "House of Blue Leaves" fight, is the most infamous of the missing scenes and that is Sofie Fatale's extended "trunk interrogation" scene. After The Bride warns Sofie about cutting off something, instead of cutting back to Sofie in the hospital, The Bride is shown grabbing Sofie's arm and screams "GIVE ME YOUR OTHER ARM!". Sofie starts to panic, but then The Bride chops off her other arm, causing blood to splash onto the screen and Sofie begins screaming again.
lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
^ Is the Japanese version in Japanese or English though?
lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
Dude you are so bitter...
99% of Movies that come out of hollywood are boring, shallow, pathetic crap. Movies that actually make people think are few and far between...
Tarantino films are more intelligent than most of the other crap that comes out of hollywood...
I'm not saying that Tarantino is some omnipotent, awe inspiring, god that makes infallible movies we should all worship, but his movies are better than most of the rest of the crap that comes out of hollywood. ie. More entertaining, more intricate plot (not just one of the ten or so recycled plots used in most hollywood movies) etc. etc.
So you don't like the guy. Big fucking deal... Go make your own movies...
I enjoy Tarantino films, but I would still rather watch an interesting independent film any time of the day. Why waste your time whineing about one of the only directors making watchable films, coming out of Hollywood.
I bet (and I'm not going to search through other threads to concur, just making a wild guess) that you are one of those guys that loves Kubrick...
I don't think many Kubrick films are brilliant but I'm not going to waste my time bitching about them 24/7. The movie's been out for over year and you still can't get over the fact that some people might have valid reasons for liking it...
"I nominate Kill Bill as the worst written film of the decade."
That's a pretty broad fucking statement. I can name ten off the top of my head that are worse.
1) Ten Things I Hate About You
2) Bulletproof Monk
3) Dude, Where's My Car?
4) American Pie 3
5) Welcome To The Jungle
6) XXX
7) Fast And The Furious
8 ) Torque (I havn't seen this one, it's an assumption.)
9) Bruce Almighty
10) Blade
If you are so adament about backing up your statements give proof that all or any of these movies is better than Kill Bill...
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Petersko
Bluelighter
[X] - Horse still twitching I gather?
I don't get it. Why do you insist a movie be something other than entertaining to be a good film?
Kill Bill is straight up style and entertainment - and clearly it succeeded in entertaining people on a massive scale. By every metric it is a success.
Another aspiring filmmaker decrying the sad state of hollywood doesn't impress me. Clearly what you are really saying is that the tastes of the general public suck, because Tarantino gave them exactly what they wanted.
I don't get it. Why do you insist a movie be something other than entertaining to be a good film?
Kill Bill is straight up style and entertainment - and clearly it succeeded in entertaining people on a massive scale. By every metric it is a success.
Another aspiring filmmaker decrying the sad state of hollywood doesn't impress me. Clearly what you are really saying is that the tastes of the general public suck, because Tarantino gave them exactly what they wanted.
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onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
Originally posted by xxx
I have had numerous PM's, applauding my "bitter" analysis of Quentin Tarantino on this board.
I have had numerous PM's, applauding my "bitter" analysis of Quentin Tarantino on this board.
'cause we all know that when a lot of people think something, it must be true
Aside from that, when discussing him face to face with people, I have opened their eyes to his plaigiristic tendencies...
as brecht said (echoed by godard and other prominent and respected film-makers), "art is made from plagiarism". all an artist does is take what they see in the world and interpret it their own way. if this means stealing something from a previous piece of working and placing it in a new context, then i commend their foresight and ingenuity. creating something a piece of art isn't always about creating something entirely new.
If you were in the room with me, you would understand me a little bit more, instead of just labelling me as "bitter" because I am concerned about the immense popularity of extremely violent, pointless films.
the film isn't pointless. i recognise from your posts on this forum that you love the cinema, so surely you of all people should recognise (whether you like it or not is irrelevant to this) that the film's point is to allow tarantino to explore his love of film, the film-making process, and to pay homage to his heroes like leone et al.
At least my comments are analytical and convey some sort of thought process about the film being discussed rather than just sucking his balls and oohing and aahing...
i, despite quite often being quite aggravated by them (
), actually enjoy reading your posts because of this very fact. though we rarely see eye-to-eye, i'd still prefer to read a thorough analysis such as yours than a one line "it was good" response. however, i feel that you don't always respond to claims brought against your argument properly. perhaps i just have a personal bone to pick because you still haven't replied to my *many* posts in the amelie thread (...go on ), but i feel this is a fairly valid point.this is a forum. Negative opinions need to be heard, just as positive ones do.
i agree with this
Because I am a film-maker and he is the best example of the terrible state that cinema is in today.
actually, people like michael bay are the best examples of this (and bruckheimer, not that he's a director). at least qt has some respect for cinema's history.
The Matrix was a wonderful film and so the sequels are instantly accepted as at least good, because to call them absolute shit makes you reconsider your opinion about the first one.. and that would make you look foolish...
i love the matrix. reloaded and revolutions are shite. though i was anticipating both the sequels enormously, i had no trouble reaching these negative conclusions as soon as i'd seen them. obviously your comment wasn't *directed* at me, but it's still true that not everyone is so obsessed with their opinion being "right" or respected that they will not renege on their comments.
Explain to me how Kill Bill is in any way intelligent.
I don't think it was even intended to be intelligent.. I think it was supposed to be a ridiculous, over-the-top farce of a film... That was apparent to me before the first shot when a Star Trek quote came up on the screen.
I don't think it was even intended to be intelligent.. I think it was supposed to be a ridiculous, over-the-top farce of a film... That was apparent to me before the first shot when a Star Trek quote came up on the screen.
though i *can* see why people dislike the story behind the film (which, of course, is flimsy at best) i enjoy the film's intelligent referencing of tarantino's obsession with cinema past, his playful characterisations (pei-mai comes to mind from the sequel, though i realise we're not really discussing that), his wonderful dialogue, and the composition of his shots (the snow garden, the shadow fight to name a couple).
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anyway, i can't believe i haven't posted in this thread. obviously, i love this film (and its sequel..probably a little more). the kurosawa-inspired blood gushing is absolutely comedy, the anime portions are brilliant in their intensity, and despite their being very little actual story, i enjoyed watching the bride's perseverance and struggle to avenge what is ultimately one of the biggest losses a human can endure.
i thought the performances were great (including uma), and i thought the cinematography in this (probably due to qt's chance to reference film after film after film from his extensive love-list) was as good as he's ever made it. set design was pretty fantastic too. though i still prefer a film that is willing to go a little deeper into the human psyche, or alternately make a political statement, tarantino's films ooze style and above-all-else, entertainment.
everything has its place, and if we're talking fun, violent, humorous action...well, tarantino does it best
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onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
Originally posted by Petersko
Clearly what you are really saying is that the tastes of the general public suck, because Tarantino gave them exactly what they wanted.
Clearly what you are really saying is that the tastes of the general public suck, because Tarantino gave them exactly what they wanted.
why's this such a bad thing? i think the tastes of the general public are fucking atrocious, but that doesn't mean that the occasional film (which caters to said tastes) can't still be good
Originally posted by xxx
I nominate Kill Bill as the worst written film of the decade.
There is not one moment of the film that bears an intelligent thought.
I nominate Kill Bill as the worst written film of the decade.
There is not one moment of the film that bears an intelligent thought.
the worst written film you've seen of the decade...
you really should rent 'Dude, Where's My Car?'
Originally posted by xxx
how the fuck are you supposed to prove a preference!?
how the fuck are you supposed to prove a preference!?
exactly. this applies to everybody here, not just you. your posts tend to inflame a little and i expect that wouldn't happen if you could simply hold yourself to the same standard to which you hold everybody else.
as with all posts in F&T, if you keep within guidelines, we won't have a problem.
alasdair
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Petersko
Bluelighter
Actually, go see "Envy".
our first f&t rated movie! get voting
alasdair
alasdair
lostpunk5545 said:
Exact same soundtrack, only when they speak japanese, you gotta turn subtitles on and off again, unless you want the whole movie subtitled.
you have valid points, but they don't take away from how much I enjoy this film. To each, their own, my friend.
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wanderlust
Bluelighter
a call to arms for intelligent pin-pointed discussion.
i applaud you, ..., for this last post and realizing where you cross boundries and also trying your hardest to promote an elevated level of discussion that all can enjoy and can still be light-heartedly quarlesome
i applaud you, ..., for this last post and realizing where you cross boundries and also trying your hardest to promote an elevated level of discussion that all can enjoy and can still be light-heartedly quarlesome
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fairnymph
Ex-Bluelighter
The first one was very mediocre and the second one was simply bad.
I've never been much of a Tarantino fan and he once again he failed to impress me...
His films don't have much meaning to me. They don't convey any important or meaningful messages/morals/values/thoughts. That's my major beef.
More minor beef: slow films, undeveloped/thin plots, and lack of originality. Kill Bill in particular seemed all too much like a perverted Charlie's Angels...
I've never been much of a Tarantino fan and he once again he failed to impress me...
His films don't have much meaning to me. They don't convey any important or meaningful messages/morals/values/thoughts. That's my major beef.
More minor beef: slow films, undeveloped/thin plots, and lack of originality. Kill Bill in particular seemed all too much like a perverted Charlie's Angels...
I don't care what Tarantino thinks of me, a part of his fanbase. From every interview and on camera appearence, HE looks like a complete wanker to me. Someone who I wouldn't care to know if I could.
BUT, his movies are fun.
Sure, the dialogue he writes seems like mindless dribble which doesn't advance any plot, but what that shit talk does do (really well i might add) is:
- It expresses the relationships between characters. Shooting the shit with someone is not literal. You're actually saying that you enjoy each other's company;
- It clearly shows what characters are capable of. When Vince and Jules talk about maccas, amsterdam and foot massages ON THEIR WAY TO KILL PEOPLE, it shows that these guys are so experienced at doing what most would consider repulsive (myself included) without even thinking about it; and/or
- It can be a cheeky way of saying other things. In my favourate Tarantino scene, in True Romance, Dennis Hopper is being interogated and beaten by Christopher Walken and his goons, but feeds them shit. Walken makes it clear that he sees the shit, so Hopper accepts his fate and delivers a beautiful and smart arse monologue about sicilians being conquered by black people ages ago. What he's actually saying during this speech is something like "Go suck a lemon and fuck yourself you spick bastard!".
xxx, you even appreciate the good music, cinematogrophy and direction in Tarantino's films, but these three things are generally lacking from most blockbusters these days too, and then some.
Now Tarantino is definitely far from the best, but he also the much lesser of the hodgepodge of evils making flims today.
And briefly about Kill Bill. It's a cartoon. I like cartoons.
BUT, his movies are fun.
Sure, the dialogue he writes seems like mindless dribble which doesn't advance any plot, but what that shit talk does do (really well i might add) is:
- It expresses the relationships between characters. Shooting the shit with someone is not literal. You're actually saying that you enjoy each other's company;
- It clearly shows what characters are capable of. When Vince and Jules talk about maccas, amsterdam and foot massages ON THEIR WAY TO KILL PEOPLE, it shows that these guys are so experienced at doing what most would consider repulsive (myself included) without even thinking about it; and/or
- It can be a cheeky way of saying other things. In my favourate Tarantino scene, in True Romance, Dennis Hopper is being interogated and beaten by Christopher Walken and his goons, but feeds them shit. Walken makes it clear that he sees the shit, so Hopper accepts his fate and delivers a beautiful and smart arse monologue about sicilians being conquered by black people ages ago. What he's actually saying during this speech is something like "Go suck a lemon and fuck yourself you spick bastard!".
xxx, you even appreciate the good music, cinematogrophy and direction in Tarantino's films, but these three things are generally lacking from most blockbusters these days too, and then some.
Now Tarantino is definitely far from the best, but he also the much lesser of the hodgepodge of evils making flims today.
And briefly about Kill Bill. It's a cartoon. I like cartoons.
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