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Tryptamines Extracting dmt from Mimosa

Loccdogg

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I have a question that may or may not have been posted before. When performing a STB or even an acid base on the root bark, at the very last stage before you freeze precipitate it out. Can I just gas the mixture to get it to drop out?

I have done such a a couple days ago and out of the anhydrous naphtha in the beaker some. Pink water seperate out and then over the course of some hours the liquid at the bottom turned into a dark violet purple
 
I have a question that may or may not have been posted before. When performing a STB or even an acid base on the root bark, at the very last stage before you freeze precipitate it out. Can I just gas the mixture to get it to drop out?

I have done such a a couple days ago and out of the anhydrous naphtha in the beaker some. Pink water seperate out and then over the course of some hours the liquid at the bottom turned into a dark violet purple
I don't think we're supposed to discuss this topic here. I would suggest the DMT Nexus and/or Reddit. But they have a policy against this sort of discussion, I believe. So without going into details, you're forming a polar-soluble salt when gas something basic. But you see, DMT forms freebase crystals, and this is what you want to freeze out of it if you plan to smoke/vape DMT.
 
I don't think we're supposed to discuss this topic here. I would suggest the DMT Nexus and/or Reddit. But they have a policy against this sort of discussion, I believe. So without going into details, you're forming a polar-soluble salt when gas something basic. But you see, DMT forms freebase crystals, and this is what you want to freeze out of it if you plan to smoke/vape DMT.
AFAIK bluelight doesn't have any objection to extraction discussion. Synthesis however is off the table as you well know. I would agree that the Nexus is by far the best place to learn about these topics. Don't listen to anything off of reddit.
Pink water seperate out and then over the course of some hours the liquid at the bottom turned into a dark violet purple
I was just hoping you would clarify a bit. I've never seen what you describe. Doesn't sound very anhydrous though.. Wash Naptha with distilled water, and they dry using baked and pulverized epsom salts. Then evap to half the volume and stick in freezer for 24 hrs. If you gas with HCL you'll prolly destroy it tbh, and even if you didn't, it would give the HCL salt of DMT which is not what you want if you're trying to vaporize it.
 
I have a question that may or may not have been posted before. When performing a STB or even an acid base on the root bark, at the very last stage before you freeze precipitate it out. Can I just gas the mixture to get it to drop out?

I have done such a a couple days ago and out of the anhydrous naphtha in the beaker some. Pink water seperate out and then over the course of some hours the liquid at the bottom turned into a dark violet purple
Theoretically you could use HCl gas to salt it out (I think) but you can also evap the naphtha to get a broader spectrum jungle DMT

Also STB has way lower yields than A/B. I think one of the best methods is vinegar soak the ground root then basify w naoh, after do extractions warm/hot. You can do the vinegar soak hot as well but not sure how much that helps

Doing the naphtha extraction hot, at least on the first pass will make a super concentrated naphtha/DMT solution. You can extract the basified mixture multiple times but I would try to keep them separate instead of mixing all together

As the naphtha cools the solubility drops and will begin crystallizing at room temp, leaving it in a cool dry place for a while too crystallize is optimal but once it hits room temp you can do an ice bath to further lower solubility to get more crystallization

or if you're lazy just evap the naptha outside and collect the residue
 
That's the tree I been searchin for, its in the Acacia family if I am right, but had no clue which one.

This 'Mimosa Hostilis or Tenuiflora' grow's in the frontyard of Church one village down the road. That tree alway's seemed odd, as its the only one I ever saw in person. But means it will even grow below sea level in soil consisting mainly of clay. And can stand temp's below zero, so pretty easy plant/ tree to grow yourself probably.

"To date no β-carbolines such as harmala alkaloids have been detected in Mimosa tenuiflora decoctions, however the isolation of a new compound called "Yuremamine" from Mimosa tenuiflora as reported in 2005 represents a new class of phyto-indoles [3]. This may explain the reported oral activity of DMT in Jurema without the addition of an MAOI. Imported MHRB typically requires the addition of an MAOI in the preparation of ayahuasca."

Even more interesting this claim no MAO-inhibitor is needed to orally activate it when taken that way.
 
25 years ago, I came across some old ethnobotanical references to jurema's use in pre-Colombian Mesoamerica in combination with pulque, but there wasn't much material to work with. We lost so much.
 
Theoretically you could use HCl gas to salt it out (I think)
DMT will resist forming crystals when gassing, IIRC from the old Hive days. Dr. Rick Strassman talks about the difficulty of procuring/producing pharmaceutical-grade DMT.HCl for IV use it in DMT: Spirit Molecule. Once the crystals are formed, they don't dissolve easily in H₂O, and the shelf life of DMT.HCl isn't as good as the fumarate salt, which is preferred for DMT and other tryptamines, as I understand it.

but you can also evap the naphtha to get a broader spectrum jungle DMT
Yeah Idk about inhaling that shit, man. The DMT Nexus is littered with arguments and diatribes concerning what exactly is in so-called "jungle spice". I'm still not 100% sure, and there are multiple varieties of M. hostilis/tenuiflora/jurema / calumbi / black jurema / tepezcohuite. I'm trying to dodge that cancer if I can help it…

Also STB has way lower yields than A/B.
It's practically the same thing. The root bark is naturally a little acidic. Acetic acid from vinegar makes it more so and it might help break open the cell walls of the plant to let out the alkaloids we want, but when it comes to MHRB, STB is still pretty effective, even if it could be more efficient… It's a lazier method and I think that will always appeal to some people.

Another thing ☞ I find the whole process is easier with shredded—as opposed to powdered—root bark. It's much easier to filter the solid plant matter out. After a couple of acidic water extractions, I like to soak the bark in a luke warm NaOH solution where pH = ~12 to further break it down. I treat this like a STB at that point.

You can do the vinegar soak hot as well but not sure how much that helps
It definitely helps. Pro tip: use the microwave as a heating source during the vinegar soak. The microwaves help to break up the bark due to the way they heat things from the inside. When in acidic/salt form, the DMT is more protected against heat, even lightly boiling water, and I've seen great results come from microwaving the bark while it's in water as an extraction technique. I had read a paper on this subject extolling microwave-assisted extraction as a useful technique in that the microwaves actually helped to burst cell walls in plants open, rendering out their contents including alkaloids and such.

You can extract the basified mixture multiple times but I would try to keep them separate instead of mixing all together
I only keep them separate if I use different solvents as a way of determining what differences in solubility ranges exist for comparative solvents. Naphtha has a really narrow, tight range in the non-polar pH spectrum that it picks up and its highly preferential for pure n,n-DMT. However, heptane/hexane recrystallizes DMT into a more aesthetically pleasing crystal lattice if allowed the right conditions of slow, undisturbed crystal growth in the pitch dark.

or if you're lazy just evap the naptha outside and collect the residue
I know it's more work, but best practices would be distilling and recovering the solvent, bc:
  1. it's better for the environment
  2. it's even easier with a light vacuum and doesn't requires much heat, and
  3. it recycles the solvent for reuse which saves you an added expense
Distillation kits can be purchased online, or sometimes found local and used through classifieds. They're legal, and they're nifty for various hobbies that involve extracting and purifying essential oils from plant matter like tangerine peels and rose petals. You could collect back the naphtha used to extract mint oil from mint leaves, for example which could then be used in inventing a new cologne, perfume, or aroma therapy product. There's soap- and candle-making, and lots of little entrepreneurial ideas for sites like Etsy where people sell ostensibly hand-made goods and pretend they're not slapping their logo on a white label and reselling Ali Baba garbage…
 
That's the tree I been searchin for, its in the Acacia family if I am right, but had no clue which one.
So Mimosa tenuiflora is in the legume family, or "Fabaceae", and it's in the Mimosoid clade just like Acacia, but Acacia is a different genus. I like the species A. confusa and find the extract from it—though requiring an extra de-fatting step—is a different experience to that of M. tenuiflora. Do note though that Acacia confusa contains a fair amount of NMT and DMT. NMT is mostly inactive and is aka n-methyltryptamine. NMT is to DMT what Baeocystin is to 4-PO-DMT (psilocybin). Or in other words, Baeocystin is 4-PO-NMT (and Norpsilocin is 4-HO-NMT). I find that fascinating.

"To date no β-carbolines such as harmala alkaloids have been detected in Mimosa tenuiflora decoctions, however the isolation of a new compound called "Yuremamine" from Mimosa tenuiflora as reported in 2005 represents a new class of phyto-indoles [3]. This may explain the reported oral activity of DMT in Jurema without the addition of an MAOI. Imported MHRB typically requires the addition of an MAOI in the preparation of ayahuasca."

Even more interesting this claim no MAO-inhibitor is needed to orally activate it when taken that way.
Methyl alcohol is especially efficient here in extracting DMT from root bark. It's important not to change the pH at all to preserve the Yuremamine, I have read. Also methanol is, obviously, poison to humans (5 ml = blind, 15 ml = dead), so it's crucial all of the alcohol is evaporated and dried thoroughly before proceeding. The evaporated material is scraped up with a blade. I haven't experimented with it much, but when I tried ingesting some, I couldn't distinguish it enough from placebo to be sure I felt anything. I meant to double back and try it again with an elevated dose, but wound up using it for the original intent and purified it instead. I read that the moment it touches something pH adjusting, it is destroyed, but that made me wonder what then happens when it hits your stomach acid and first-pass metabolism? Does this not similarly destroy the molecule, fragile as it is? This has just been my experience anyway, FWIW.
 
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So Mimosa tenuiflora is in the legume family, or "Fabaceae", and it's in the Mimosoid clade just like Acacia, but Acacia is a different genus. I like the species A. confusa and find the extract from it—though requiring an extra de-fatting step—is a different experience to that of M. tenuiflora. Do note though that Acacia confusa contains a fair amount of NMT and DMT. NMT is mostly inactive and is aka n-methyltryptamine. NMT is to DMT what Baeocystin is to 4-PO-DMT (psilocybin). Or in other words, Baeocystin is 4-PO-NMT (and Norpsilocin is 4-HO-NMT). I find that fascinating.
So what the difference between the two what makes Acacia Confusa more likeable for you.
DMT is DMT.

Legume family, well that explain's the bean containing sort of French beans that hang on the end of the season. So lot's of seed's which they probably won't mind if I take some. Beatiful plant for decoration, and usefull as DMT source. Although there is also Phalaris Arundinacea which to me being a grass seems it will grow way faster. Men only all those solvents they use. NaOH I allready found a bit dangerous (always had vinegar within reach)

A simple A/ B extraction is that possible? Not using any hazardous substances to extract.
 
Even more interesting this claim no MAO-inhibitor is needed to orally activate it when taken that way.
I saw that Emkee in a publication of a magazine called Entheogen Review and possibly in Johnathon Ott's Pharmacotheon Entheogenic Drugs, their plant sources and history. Mimosa tenuiflora being active without a MAOI was stated. In the magazine it seemed most that tried got nothing. But Johnathon Ott says he got effects.

Great thread. Got my smarts up! ;)
 
So what the difference between the two what makes Acacia Confusa more likeable for you.
DMT is DMT.
I didn't say that I like it more. My Preference is for MHRB if I'm extracting bc it has so few plant fats to deal with. Makes the extraction process really easy. ACRB (that's Acacia Confusa Root Bark) needs to be de-fatted by washing the initial polar layer extraction with a non-polar solvent.

The difference though—in my estimate, anyway—is the entourage effect that small amounts of the various demethylated analogs and beta-carbolines that surround the desired n,n-DMT. So for example, ACRB is known for having about equal portions of NMT to DMT. And what is NMT? A demethylated form of DMT, and by this I mean, instead of n,n-dimethyltryptamine it is n-methyltryptamine. Its amine is missing a methyl group compared to DMT. Another name for it is: monomethyltryptamine. It's active, just not visually active. Isolated and taken on its own, NMT is boring and damn near inactive. But taken with DMT at the same time, and it has a tendency to 'flavor' the trip in a different manner, giving it its own personality, so to speak.

I find this interesting, because in a similar, analogous manner, various mushroom species/strains/variants, I believe, exhibit their own "personality" through a similar entourage effect. While psilocin might be the star of the show, baecystin, norbaeocystin, norpsilocin, psilocybin, and even the 4-xO-trimethyltryptamine equivalents perhaps weigh in on the final experience in some meaningful way to the end user. That's my hunch anyway, and I just find it cool to think about it as if each plant has something unique to teach me. I just have to unlock it and surround it with my body, get the lesson to my brain so I can experience in the theatre of my mind and take in Mother Nature's Great Lessons, as it were.

Although there is also Phalaris Arundinacea which to me being a grass seems it will grow way faster.
The percentage of alkaloids is much lower though and that chlorophyll is difficult to deal with. It wants to form emulsions really badly. Lots of defatting and filtration is required along the way, and generally it's a pain in the ass. You can't beat the root barks for the lack of chlorophyll and ease of extraction. Reed canary grass extractions are time consuming and I believe they come with some 5-MeO-DMT with it, which will certainly change the overall effect…

Men only all those solvents they use. NaOH I allready found a bit dangerous (always had vinegar within reach)
Just wear goggles and keep the NaOH off of you, but it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Firstly, it's sodium, which is basically salt, and it's a hydrogen and an oxygen. Pair it with another hydrogen and it's water. You could use lime if you insist on using so-called 'natural' or 'organic' sources, but this is just superstition. Things from the earth will absolutely kill you fastAF, and there are man-made chemicals that will save your goddamn life in the right crisis, believe that. You know when you have surgery and they use anesthesia first so you don't feel it? Well that anesthesia is as man-made as it gets, and trust me – you want that anesthesia.

A simple A/ B extraction is that possible? Not using any hazardous substances to extract.
Everything is hazardous. Have you ever read the MSDS on water, aka: "Dihydrogen Monoxide"? Water is a hazardous substance in some perspectives… "Dihydrogen monoxide is highly corrosive and causes asphyxiation." Well yeah, you can't breathe water, and we all know it rusts ferric metals… I propose to you that NaOH is less toxic than bleach, but most homes have bleach under a sink somewhere… You can use pickling lime, instead, but it isn't basic enough and will not get the pH sufficiently high enough for a full recovery of the alkaloids in the plant. It will render some, but why leave money on the table like that, so to speak? Lye is perfectly fine to use, and besides, various lyes occur in nature sometimes (rainwater+wood ash, for example). Lyes are used to pickle foods, and they are an essential ingredient in soap-making. As for a non-polar solvent, naphtha, hexane and heptane are all petroleum distillates, which come from fossil fuels, which are obviously fossils of once living matter, so when you think about it, this is something of a natural source as well. D-limonene can be used instead and some swear it's all natural and supposedly "food safe", but there's not a chance I would ever just gulp down pure d-limonene, fuck that shit. It's nasty, noxious goop in my opinion. And besides, by the time the extract is used the solvents should be long evaporated.

I saw that Emkee in a publication of a magazine called Entheogen Review and possibly in Johnathon Ott's Pharmacotheon Entheogenic Drugs, their plant sources and history. Mimosa tenuiflora being active without a MAOI was stated. In the magazine it seemed most that tried got nothing. But Johnathon Ott says he got effects.
Yeah I'm dubious of this being psychoactive like that on its own. We all have different enzymologies anyway, so perhaps Jonathan Ott had a particularly sensitive system or something… idk.
 
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