Ecstasy to be tested as treatment

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Scientists in America are set to begin a controversial study to see if the dance-floor drug ecstasy could be used as a medicine to help people suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.

In what will be the first trial of its kind, the researchers will see if the emotional closeness reported by clubbers taking the drug can help victims of rape and sexual abuse talk to therapists. Supporters of the study, which has been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), claim it marks an important milestone in the medical rehabilitation of ecstasy, or MDMA, which was given to patients by some alternative therapists in the 1970s and was made illegal only in the 1980s.

"What we'd like to do is develop MDMA into a prescription medicine," said Rick Doblin, the founder and head of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, which is co-ordinating and funding the new trial. "MDMA has a dramatic ability to help people express deeper emotions, to look at emotionally conflicted topics from their past and it promotes a certain catharsis."

The study could begin in January, recruiting 20 victims of crime suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder who find it difficult to talk about their experience.

Each will receive 17 sessions of counselling with a therapist; before two sessions they will swallow a placebo or a capsule containing 125 milligrams of MDMA - more than the amount found in a typical ecstasy tablet. The trial will be double-blind, meaning neither the patients nor the investigators will know who has taken the drug. If the one-year trial is a success, further research will follow, Dr Doblin says.

Before considering ecstasy as a prescription drug for post-traumatic stress disorder, the FDA would require convincing evidence of its benefits from two larger studies using hundreds of people. The research is hugely controversial, and getting it off the ground has been difficult.

The FDA first approved the study in November 2001 but insisted that Dr Doblin's group also get the green light from an independent ethics review board. Permission was finally granted in September.

One hurdle remains. The Drug Enforcement Administration has not yet issued the licence needed to handle the 3.5 grams of ecstasy for the trial to the South Carolina psychiatrist who will administer it.

"My guess is that we'll get the approval before the end of the year," Dr Doblin said.

The dangers of ecstasy remain uncertain. This year, scientists at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine were forced to admit that a high-profile discovery that just one dose of MDMA could cause irreversible brain damage and even death was nonsense because they had used the wrong drug in their experiment.

But significant doubts remain over long-term risks: animal studies suggest that it can lower levels of the brain chemical serotonin and some anti-drugs campaigners and politicians have argued that research into the possible medical use of illegal drugs presents a false reassuring message about them.

Dr Doblin accepts that the drug carries risks, but insists they can be controlled.

- Guardian

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Ecstasy to be tested as treatment
By David Adam
London
November 25, 2003


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Wasn't ecstasy originally used in Germany for marriage counciling?

Good move I say, will maybe give it some good press (for a change).
 
This is the best thing I've read all day long.

It seems people are starting to open their eyes ... the time of blindly following what the media says may be starting to come to an end .... but I guess that's a big maybe
 
Looks like a step in the right direction, its a good idea making the sessions "double-blind" as well, but I think a 125mg dose would be pretty noticeable by both doctor and patient :)
 
Oh and MDMA was invented as a weight-loss cure, in 1912 if my memory isn't fooling me again (which it probably is). I think it was in Belgium.
 
(^ as far as I know, it was created by Merck labs during world war I, as an attempt to create another battle-enhancing drug that did not have the fatigueing side effects of methamphetamine. It was thought that MDMA would break down faster, and that soldiers could get their extra "umph" in battle without a hard crash afterwards. Guess it diddnt work out that way...)

...before two sessions they will swallow a placebo or a capsule containing 125 milligrams of MDMA - more than the amount found in a typical ecstasy tablet. The trial will be double-blind, meaning neither the patients nor the investigators will know who has taken the drug. If the one-year trial is a success, further research will follow, Dr Doblin says.

first off, i think this may be too high a dose. someone unfamiliar with the drug may be caught up in the effects, and have a hard time focusing on the "session." I was thinking 80mg a bit more appropriate, but im not a scientist (yet). Also, there is no way anyone wouldnt notice a first-time user on 125mg of mdma.

all in all, i think this is a great thing, and it will really open society up.
 
Wood,

I agree 125mg may be a bit too overwhelming for someone who's never had MDMA. All in all great news though, we've been waiting for this study to be aprroved for a long time.

Nicholas Saunders would be very proud if he was still around
 
Yeah - I think they'd be able to tell who got the MDMA at 125mg.

Hmmm - he must be really nervous - his jaw is shaking, and he's sweating like crazy. Look at his eyes - I think he's broken
 
yeah using a placebo in the control group would be quite useless... but they might use an active placebo.

Active placebo's are normally used in studies where the side-effects tend to get noticed by the test-subject. That's why, for instance, SSRI's are (in studies) usually compared to an active placebo like atropine, which causes comparable side-effects.

Maybe crystal meth would work fine as an active placebo? ;)
 
^ lol

however meth has some 'empathogenic' properties not unlike mdma.

Shulgin noticed empathetic and emotional responses at doses lower than 50mg. I think 125mg is more of a recreational dose appropriate for indulging yourself wiht a good time. In a psychiatrist's setting, 40-80mg really seems alot more appropriate to me.
 
The dangers of ecstasy remain uncertain. This year, scientists at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine were forced to admit that a high-profile discovery that just one dose of MDMA could cause irreversible brain damage and even death was nonsense because they had used the wrong drug in their experiment.

I will NEVER EVER EVER get sick of hearing this!!!!
Hopefully my ignorant old man reads this.....he still won't believe it. :(
 
THE WOOD said:
(^ as far as I know, it was created by Merck labs during world war I, as an attempt to create another battle-enhancing drug that did not have the fatigueing side effects of methamphetamine. It was thought that MDMA would break down faster, and that soldiers could get their extra "umph" in battle without a hard crash afterwards. Guess it diddnt work out that way...)
I guess the lovey dovey side effect wasn't very condusive to battle conditions.

"Fuck this shooting them, man! I'm gonna go up and hug one of those guys!"

:D :D :D
 
Rick Doblin, the founder and head of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, which is co-ordinating and funding the new trial

I think these guys should be commanded for their persistance and determination on getting FDA to approve a clinical trial of a drug that has been branded by popular media as a "killer dance drug" and given word "ecstasy" a notorious negative connotation.
It must have been very hard for them to do it.

I belive this will be the first of many REAL studies to come, that will prove effectivness of MDMA as a medicine. Maybe we'll be able to get some real research done on both positive and negative aspects of the drug.
 
Even though this seems like a high dose, in the 60s' and 70s' therapists and doctors were using up to 10 times the normal dose of l.s.d in therapy and research sessions involving that drug, so they probably know what they're doing.
 
^ ever wonder why everyone from the sixties says, "sorry, im fried cuz im from the 60s" ???

jk...allthough most of the LSD therapy was not a mainstream practice and thus had alot of ambiguity as exactly what to do as far as dosage, setting, interaction, stimuli, etc. Also a 'normal' dose of LSD is relative to the time period its used in (still i understand they gave patients high doses).

When MDMA and 2-CB were used in therapeutical settings (years and years ago), quite often MDMA was given in doses as low as 30-40mg, and 2-CB in doses as low as 5mg. This gave the patient an extra-sensitive empathetic and emotionally open mindset, without being noticeably 'altered.' Also, back then MDMA (nor any other 'thereputical' drug) wasnt necessarily viewed as a mainstrem recreational drug. It was viewed as medicine to aid in psychotherapy, marriage counseling, etc.

Now, thanks to the DEA and mass media, it will be very difficult for patients to view MDMA or 'ecstasy' as therapeutical medicine. I imagine many patient taking it with (conscious and subconscious) thoughts expecting elation and psycho-alteration, and this may interfere with the psychiatrist/therapist's goals. I also imagine many people will fear the stigma attached to MDMA, and be unnecessarily cautious in accepting it as psychopharmecutical medicine.
 
I've been following this story for a while, and I admit that this is *great* news, and evidence that reasoned debate with activism can open the minds of those willing to entertain the possibilities. If this takes off, it could have repercussions well beyond the initial study; let's hope this continues, and that science outs the usefulness of this substance.
 
I'm surprised the DEA would approve this study, as it certainly contradicts their "drugs are the devil" message. I guess they figure the average American is sufficiently programmed to impulsively think that ecstasy is bad. Nonetheless, defintely a step in the right direction.
 
THE WOOD said:
I imagine many patient taking it with (conscious and subconscious) thoughts expecting elation and psycho-alteration, and this may interfere with the psychiatrist/therapist's goals.

The placebo works to ease the thoughts/nervousness in the test subject, to some degree, so I hear.
 
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