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mish_

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Ecstasy long-term brain effects

Hi everyone, I have been reading this forum for the last few days and probably went thru 20 topics and 200 posts, pretty interesting and informational discussions. :)

Well, I had a few questions on ecstasy and the brain after, also would like to add my personal experiences with them.

My focus will be more on the long-term effects, because i never really had any short-term effects after a night of ecstasy, only maybe in the morning feel a little out of place but usually in the next 2 days im back to normal. By the way, after using ecstasy, for me best works weed in the morning as it relaxes me and most of the time I would find something intersting to spend time on, friends, games, movies .. etc .. but best is with a girl. :)

Story:
I was 18 years old when I first started taking ecstasy pills every 1-2-3 weeks and most would be 3-4 pills during the weekend. For the first year, I had taken around 40-50 pills with a few brakes in which most longest would be a month. The second year, was every 1-2 months, but I would take 4-5 pills a night and the third year every 2-3 months, 2-3 pills a night. The last year which is this one, I had a few brakes like 5 months, 3 months and altogether i did ecstasy 3-4 times in the begining, february-march and last month october 3-4 times also.

- When i was adding up my memories for the nights with ecstasy, i came up with a 120-150 pills thru the whole time. I dont know if the numbers above are going to add up to this, but I tried to space em out as precisly as possible as i read in some posts that the time in between ecstasy usage is important.

Effects:
The two biggest effects I notice in me are holding up conversations with people and my sence of humor is somewhat gone. 2-3 years ago, i could talk to people normally, never worried about what i said and now i would say 2-3-4 sentences and not know what to say after that. Sometimes i would feel akward for saying something that was out ot place, for example: saying good night to someone when its only 6pm .. Before when i was around a group of people, I could handle multiple conversations, make jokes, talk crazy and if I had to be straight up with someone I had no problem telling him what was on my mind. Now, always being carefull of what the other person will think, I dont have that sence of humor where I can talk freely.
Other side effects, would be memory loss, yea, but that is not a big problem for me as i tend to remember the important stuff. Keeping focused was another problem for me, but that seems to be coming back to me as I have a pretty steady job now, and I have some plans and ideas that am now following.

Recovery:
My recovery lasted me for a year n' some months now and finally starting to feel the old me again, but as i see it, its not over yet. (I want to add that I was also using other drugs as alcohol, weed and coke mostly and have tried most of the other drugs couple times each, including mushrooms, speed, heroin, acid (one time), etc .. From my opinion, trying out these drugs did not cause the problems with me, neither the alcohol did, maybe the weed and coke had a little reaction to it, but mostly was the ecstasy.)
Thru my recovery I spended most of my time home, attended college and rarely went out with friends. During that time i smoked a lot of weed, because it helped me relax, otherwise i could not sit all day in the house, gets boring.
I guess my age at 22 is a good reason of quiting the nightlife drugs and actually focusing on my future. The last 6 months I have been pretty clean from all drugs, except the october part. :)

I realized that recovery does take a lot of time, especially from ecstasy. Little by little I see myself coming out of a big hole i dig my self in. I could say that, because 6 months ago I could not make any plans for the future. It was like a big claud infront of me that did not allow me to look beyond it. Now that im actually getting my focus back in life, i have a reason to believe there is some kind of recovery. I still have the problem with communicating, but is definetly better then before. I hope it gets to where it was before all this, as normal, but only time will show. My advice for the people that want to try out the drugs would be " KNOW YOUR LIMITS. " I dont like telling people dont do drugs, because from my experince, they are not so-bad untill you overdue them. I personally did not abuse ecstasy to where it was out of control, but as all the drugs added up on me, they started showing their effects. Also, i would not recommend ecstasy for kids under 18 - even 19, because their brain is still forming and just acouple times of using can really cause very serious brain damage.

Information/Tests - Scientists:
I personally believe very little from what they write in all these drug (e)websites, especially the lab tests they run on animals. I think ecstasy, at least for now is a drug that only experienced users can tell the long-term effects as they can judge by their own personal feelings. I know that each person has different genetic cells and is effected in a different way, but I think they all point in one direction (negative).

Questions:
The ecstasy long-term side effects, will they ever go away ? Will the brain ever get back to normal ? (Im asking this question in a way of becoming the person i used to be.)
If the brain heals slowly, what kind of healing is accuring ? (For the last 2 years i see changes happening with me in very different ways, positive mostly, but still far from the other me.)
How long is the normal healing proccess of recovery in the brain ? (This one would be answered most accurate by the people who have experienced the recovery over time.)
Will taking drugs on special oceasions 5-6 times a year have effect on the recovery ? (I still have not limited myself to where I would not take anymore drugs as in my opinion their effects are not so-dangerous when used with limits.)

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I would write threads very rarely on the internet, but this one came out really long. I tried to make it interesting and at the same time give the information from my personal experiences. I really hope the new generation (kids) get the message about the facts of ecstasy and what is capable of before they have to learn from their own mistakes as I did and as many other people around the world. Brain damage from ecstasy is something no-one can reverse, no doctor, no technology, neither any of the brain-recovery-drugs they prescribe, its a long period of recovering time and hopefully we understand how it works from my questions. :)


Thank you :D
 
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I think you're approaching this with the assumption that ecstasy DOES cause brain damage. The truth is a little more sketchy. Nobody really knows whether it does or not. Tests in monkeys tend to use very high doses to achieve results, and even then it's pretty inconclusive.

You also mention use of many other drugs, I would suggest that any damage (if there is any), would more likely lie at the door of these and drug combo's. Your actual dosage and frequency wasn't anything too extreme either. Far from it. You seemed in control and gave yourself healthy breaks in between in the interests of good old HR.

But the truth is probably a blurred combo of everything. Your age and the fact you were using from late teens. Your personality will still be developing and the use of drugs of any kind will alter how you react in social situations. That's one huge aspect of their appeal. So don't beat yourself up when you stop using and wonder why social interactions are more difficult. For one thing, you will have been to a place provided by drugs that let you feel free and uninhibited. So it's only natural that you will be experiencing a sense of loss for that feeling.

SO I don't personally buy into the fact you have 'brain damage' at all. I just think you've had a good time, but you now want to return to the person you were several years ago ignoring the experiences you've had, but you can't do that. You're older, wiser and your personality has changed. Any experience will change who you are, that's how it works. But damaged? No, I don't think so. Just give it time, and everything will balance out I'm sure.

I was exposed to drugs from the age of 16. From then on there came a rapid expansion of my experimenting. At that age, everything is new and extreme, so drug use magnifies this many times. It's one big massive learning curve, and it takes time to absorb it all :)
 
reply: nomy

My parents were never around any drugs, so when someone told them I was using drugs, they took me to a psychatirist lady one day, without even telling me why. The first time i went there she scared me by showing a picture of my brain, saying I will have panic attacks in the future. My brain was still functioning normally for me and I didnt notice any changes back then, so i didnt believe her. When I went the second time, she asked me if I have feelings to kill myself, or to beat up people after waking up. As soon as she asked me those 2 questions, I asked her what kind of questions are these, she said something crazy again and I left. From what I felt, the psychatirist lady only wanted to take my parents money and tried to scared them with the photo saying I need to start recovery with her. She prescribed me expensive pills which I took 4-5 times because my parents were making me, but after had a huge argument with them about this crazyness and they left me alone.

My point with this story is that I know i dont have that much of brain damage to where im crazy or stupid and infact my thinking is pretty reasonable and straight.

I have thought about my changes may be accuring because of my age 21-22 being more mature/careful and smarter and it may be true. I used to be crazier untill my 20s, all night clubs, parties, girls and drugs. Then little by little things started changing as of a more relaxing life. The only thing I still cant understand is why I have trouble with the free talk around people. I used to be better at making people laught, smile, etc .. I know there is some kind of change in my line of communication and im after finding out what caused it. :)

Nomy, your reply post is actually a very nice one and after reading it, I looked at the facts from your perspective and yes, "its not as bad". :D I hope your right :)
 
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It sounds like the first year you used you weren't being very responsible taking breaks, yes that could have some effect. The fact that you have done all these other drugs as well most likely did not help your recovery whatsoever and may have taken you back a step. It's hard to conclude that ecstasy caused you brain damage when in fact you were doing other drugs as well, it would seem like it was a combo of you using different drugs not just 1.
 
My parents were never around any drugs, so when someone told them I was using drugs, they took me to a psychatirist lady one day, without even telling me why. The first time i went there she scared me by showing a picture of my brain, saying I will have panic attacks in the future. My brain was still functioning normally for me and I didnt notice any changes back then, so i didnt believe her. When I went the second time, she asked me if I have feelings to kill myself, or to beat up people after waking up. As soon as she asked me those 2 questions, I asked her what kind of questions are these, she said something crazy again and I left. From what I felt, the psychatirist lady only wanted to take my parents money and tried to scared them with the photo saying I need to start recovery with her. She prescribed me expensive pills which I took 4-5 times because my parents were making me, but after had a huge argument with them about this crazyness and they left me alone.

My point with this story is that I know i dont have that much of brain damage to where im crazy or stupid and infact my thinking is pretty reasonable and straight.

I have thought about my changes may be accuring because of my age 21-22 being more mature/careful and smarter and it may be true. I used to be crazier untill my 20s, all night clubs, parties, girls and drugs. Then little by little things started changing as of a more relaxing life. The only thing I still cant understand is why I have trouble with the free talk around people. I used to be better at making people laught, smile, etc .. I know there is some kind of change in my line of communication and im after finding out what caused it. :)

Nomy, your reply post is actually a very nice one and after reading it, I looked at the facts from your perspective and yes, "its not as bad". :D I hope your right :)

Perhaps, as you become older and more self-aware, you are second guessing the words and sentences you say, creating awkwardness and generally adding an unnecessary layer of complexity to your conversations.
 
Mish...I really wouldn't worry. After reading about the guilt, confusion and plain terror that was inflicted on you from the money grabbing, sensationalist psychiatrist feeding on your parents concern, then there is a whole new bundle of conflicting thoughts for you to deal with! Please don't tell me she showed you the classic (and disproved) before and after image of ecstasy users?

I'm not saying you're not brain damaged, who am I to say that? I'm saying IMO it would seem incredibly unlikely that any MDMA is responsible for long term damage. And the more you speak about your experiences, the more it seems you have been frightened by others into believing that you must have been damaged. That to me, is potentially far more damaging and just plain wrong.

You seem a very thoughtful and analytical person. Don't worry dude :) Just be enriched by the life experience you've had. As for awkwardness around others, this comes and goes in life with me. I still haven't mastered that one. At times I can be the life and soul, and at others, I fade to grey in the background. Go figure. I put it down to so many different factors like my mood, their mood, the people themselves, growing up and maturing, change in sense of humour, surroundings etc. One thing I have learned (just about)...try not to over-analyse :)
 
Nomy pretty much got it all.
Your replies were very pleasant and uplifting to read, Nomy, haha.

Don't let people scare you into believing things. If you didn't notice adverse affects before someone had to tell you, you probably don't have any.
And even if you do, they should fade away with time. Time is key to healing from MDMA.
 
What's done is done. The real harm is in what you do to yourself afterwards.

Personally I have been through horrible shit, but you move on like it or not.

The past in the past, Fucking enjoy the present!
 
Yeah... I know it's different for everyone, but I'm not of the opinion MDMA causes very much permanent damage. Yes there are some extreme cases but it does seem that most recover just fine. I have abused it twice in the course of ten years and once I recovered I have always felt better than ever and have been able to go back to enjoying it responsibly. I will admit, it can be absolute hell being in that bad mental place. If you abuse it, you need to be prepared for some dark times. Too much for too long will fuck with your head for a while after you stop.

I do believe that some people tend to blame everything on the MDMA (very easy to do with all we have been taught about this drug and drugs in general) when it really could be any combination of factors. Am I the same that I was before the MDMA? No but I wouldn't have been anyway. So to answer those questions about myself... Am I brain damaged from MDMA? Not at all. I'm smarter and sharper than I was 10 years ago, 5 years ago. I guess its possible that I could've been even smarter and sharper had I never used it, but that's just speculation and the truth is I feel fine. I suppose that's all that really matters...
 
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