ECA + alcohol

[Anonymous3]

Hey drug nerds, so I'm currently taking an ECA stack (ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin) although I only take the aspirin in the morning at a low dose. I'm clueless of the pharmacology of said combination, but to my knowledge there is a scientific consensus that it works for fat loss, and I have seen surprisingly good results for a little short term fat loss for the summer. I've also found the combination to be not a bad stimulant in terms of just feeling good at low doses, and very different feeling than just having a coffee, well obviously, but it's not like recreational or anything it a really shitty feeling if you take too much. Anyway i've been drinking on it and it's definitely a different buzz than just drinking normal, it's actually pretty good.

So to the point, is the combination of ephedrine, caffeine, and alcohol safe? It's actually a surprisingly decent buzz

 

[DL-ark]

You may have problems with vasoconstriction, as I think all of those except for aspirin are vasocontrictors. Other than that they don't have any other real interactions beside caffeine antagonizing GABA in high doses. (This would in theory block the GABAergic effect of alcohol)

 

[Anonymous3]

You may have problems with vasoconstriction, as I think all of those except for aspirin are vasocontrictors. Other than that they don't have any other real interactions beside caffeine antagonizing GABA in high doses. (This would in theory block the GABAergic effect of alcohol)

Cool, I'm pretty young so I doubt blood pressure would be a huge issue, as far as I can tell that's the main issue with vasoconstriction? That's interesting about the GABA thing, I wouldn't doubt the theory, sleepiness is pretty low even with some very significant drinking.
Thanks for the response, there wasn't much scientific info on the combo out there, most of the bodybuilding type websites just said like, I did it, and I'm still alive, lol. Anyway I figured it would be fine but whatever.

I know getting high with it in your system is probably not good, but would there be some serious problems? I'm talking like when most of the stimulant effects have worn off, I hate stimulants and weed together.

 

[DL-ark]

Cool, I'm pretty young so I doubt blood pressure would be a huge issue, as far as I can tell that's the main issue with vasoconstriction? That's interesting about the GABA thing, I wouldn't doubt the theory, sleepiness is pretty low even with some very significant drinking.
Thanks for the response, there wasn't much scientific info on the combo out there, most of the bodybuilding type websites just said like, I did it, and I'm still alive, lol. Anyway I figured it would be fine but whatever.

I know getting high with it in your system is probably not good, but would there be some serious problems? I'm talking like when most of the stimulant effects have worn off, I hate stimulants and weed together.

No, I don't think there would be any serious problems with THC and caffeine/ephedra, certainly not by the time they have worn off.

Yeah, you are right about blood pressure being the main problem with vasoconstriction. Although, youth doesn't always indicate that one has a strong enough heart to withstand large amounts of vasoconstriction. Although I doubt that the amount constriction caused by these chemicals is particularly dangerous as long as you keep the dose low.

Anyway, glad I could help!

 

[sekio]

I don't know where you read that ECA is effective, it's not really any more than just exercising normally. Unless you're really obese. But then, that's not a suprise, a lot of things like meth will also make the fat skinny.

Go read Wiki. The risks outweigh the benefits, unless you really like cardiovascular stress. and the aspirin really doesn't do much to benefit...it's the ephedra and caffeine doing the work.

 

[DL-ark]

I don't know where you read that ECA is effective, it's not really any more than just exercising normally. Unless you're really obese. But then, that's not a suprise, a lot of things like meth will also make the fat skinny.

Go read Wiki. The risks outweigh the benefits, unless you really like cardiovascular stress. and the aspirin really doesn't do much to benefit...it's the ephedra and caffeine doing the work.

Geez I didn't realize the doses of the ephedrine and caffeine were so high for this "stack"

 

[Anonymous3]

Shit's not banned as a weight loss supplement for no reason. I'm not here lobbying for the supplements company or anything so I'll just say it worked for me, I've been weight lifting though aswell, also some cardio but not while on the stack no one should do that. gotta keep the doses low though so you don't get bad side effects.

 

[DL-ark]

All sekio was saying was that there is no scientific evidence it is effective

 

[Anonymous3]

All sekio was saying was that there is no scientific evidence it works.

there isn't?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12672771

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1318281

the list of references at the bottom of this next link, surely there is enough scientific evidence there right?

http://examine.com/supplements/ECA/

I'm not trying to start on argument, but I think you have mistaken, on a different wiki page than the one quoted it says the ECA stack has been proven to work for short term weight loss.

 

[DL-ark]

there isn't?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12672771

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1318281

the list of references at the bottom of this next link, surely there is enough scientific evidence there right?

http://examine.com/supplements/ECA/

I'm not trying to start on argument, but I think you have mistaken, on a different wiki page than the one quoted it says the ECA stack has been proven to work for short term weight loss.

Anyway, regardless of it's efficacy, you should be ok as long as you have a nice healthy heart and don't add any other vasoconstrictors in there.