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Psychedelic Gleam

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I see nothing wrong with eating meat, i understand the arguement that its natural. But how on earth can anyone justify the systematic mass slaughter, in arguably inhumane ways, of millions upon millions of animals who never lead a "natural" life in the least bit?
 
ahh but i love cheese and getting milk isn't supposed hurt the cow (it actually relieves her because the calf doesn't use it all). damn meat industry. i'll have to raise my own cow someday.
 
mmm, meat.
I have to satisfy my cravings for a burger every now and then, but I do agree with many people how the violent and inhumane ways people kill animals for food is bad.
i'm an animal lover (no pun intended) ;) but I try to think of the food of how nicely it is set on my plate, than the way it got to my plate. if I did that everytime I ate a raw steak, I would be a vegetarian too... so IMO, its just mind over matter... I would rather coat the thought of butchered animals on my plate with ketchup and believe that they simply cut them selves open and handed a peice of their ass with a simle on their faces saying 'Eat me! go on! I want you to enjoy my offering.'"

or whatever...:p
 
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define unnatural

are you refering to the same nature that has many of its organisms fight, starve, die off, suffer, and/or live in constant fear?
 
these animals would have probably been extinct by now if we weren't using them for food ;)

i mean...we raise them...we eat them...we are their nature now...
 
"are you refering to the same nature that has many of its organisms fight, starve, die off, suffer, and/or live in constant fear?"

Yes the same nature that also has animals outside, grazing, living with their families, walking where they please. ..

Animals do not live in constant fear. Their stressors are only things that are immediate threats, the majority do not have the brains to comprehend long term threats. Everything is in the immediate to them. If you are argueing that nature is just as cruel as keeping them in cages their entire life, pumping them full of hormones, tearing them from their mothers, and then systematically slaughtering millions of them then you my friend are a fool.
 
I get by by not actually caring about anything - What is, is - what happens in the future, will... If someone changes that, so much the better, but I have dug myself in so deep into apathy that I have trouble caring about much these days.

Not really all that relevant but it's my 0.02c
 
Psychedelic Gleam said:
"are you refering to the same nature that has many of its organisms fight, starve, die off, suffer, and/or live in constant fear?"

Yes the same nature that also has animals outside, grazing, living with their families, walking where they please. ..

Animals do not live in constant fear. Their stressors are only things that are immediate threats, the majority do not have the brains to comprehend long term threats. Everything is in the immediate to them. If you are argueing that nature is just as cruel as keeping them in cages their entire life, pumping them full of hormones, tearing them from their mothers, and then systematically slaughtering millions of them then you my friend are a fool.
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i dont think nature "cares" about animals any more htan most humans

yes nature holds a vastly complex and amazing system


i agree animals live in hte immediate. some environments, and some evolutionary requirements, put some animals on constant alert. touch a cat and he jumps. he always tries to be aware of who's coming in the room

evolution pumps animals full of hormones--whatever hormones are necessary to survive in the immediate environment

many animals eat younger animals--easier prey. especially eggs

the slaughter may not be systematic, but it is slaughter, in nature. predators eat otehr animals alive after the prey runs for its life

nature is a complex system that has no care for animals. there is no real goal. all of it revolves around reproduction and evolution-----genes. genes make your physiology, and every animals physiology, not as a caring loving mother who wants the giant cellular robots to experience love and peace and whatever else you may feel is good, but to survive and reproduce no matter what. there is a reward system that A. quickly builds tolerance to itself B. offers fleeting happiness. of course, some can live as usually happy, psychologically. if you want everyone to be fully happy, you're probably going to have to change nature. if you want an end to slaughter (of humans and animals) you're going to have to change nature
 
did you know that livestock are responsible for a big portion of the worlds global warming? I tend to agree with Leg, as cold as it may be, we have become their nature as it is our nature to eat them. Had we not ate them in the first place, or used them for dairy, most 'livestock' would be hunted by pack animals such as wolves and whatnot.

The world keeps a stable level, normally.. but then add us... and you then multiply the cow population by like... a million or something. Then think of all that methane.

OZone havok.. I say we should just learn to grow organic material that is basically enhanced meat.
 
murdering and eating animals may be an essential part of nature, but taht doesnt mean we have to do it.

i perfer to be a vegetarian, mostly unconciously due to my study of zen, but when i have to, i'll eat meat and not feel bad about it. its food, and we have to eat to survive *shrug*

if people want to get all worked up and not eat meat because of "cruelty to animals" or wahtever, thats their own business, but if they'd rather starve than eat meat, i'd say they need to get a better grasp on life.
 
yess I don't like the mass extermination of confident animals...but I love meat so much (quite addicted)...must be a monster 8)
 
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"the slaughter may not be systematic, but it is slaughter, in nature. predators eat otehr animals alive after the prey runs for its life"

and then after the predator catches their prey they stop killing, letting the rest of the herd live, you have a view that its all killing and no pleasant time for these animals, yes the deaths may be brutal but I see a huge difference in say a man hunting for his food or an animal hunting for his food, and imprisoning an animal in a cage just preparing them for the slaughter, and I imagine extiction sounds like a pretty nice option when compared to systematic slaughter without a day or taste of freedom ever.
 
cannabis-sativa, you are totally misguided with that idea that milking the cow somehow 'relieves'it of it's burden. A cow will only produce milk when pregnant so for starters the poor thing is kept pregnant for an unaturally long time per year. This means that she will be far too heavy for the majority of the time leading to pain and infection in her hoofs and legs. She will also be pumped full of hormones to [produce the most amount of milk possible.

Dairy cows can suffer more than those in the meat industry -go and have a look on PETA's site or similar and get some good hard facts down ya!
 
You're right tathra about people who would rather starve than eat meat. If it came down to a question of survival then I'd be eating meat, no doubt. It's just that nowadays, we don't have to go anywhere near meat or dairy/eggs to lead a healthy life. I've got no problem with people surviving, it's when they make choices that directly cause harm that I get a bit shirty.
 
Maybe if livestock showed signs of knowing what was going to happen to them, but throughout their lives they are fed and taken care of to meet a pre-determined end. Not too bad of a life if you don't know whats coming to you. Pretty similar to the movie Logan's Run if you ask me, just that cows don't know they're going to be slaughtered for food.
 
^they live in tiny stalls or cages, stuffed with food, never outside except in RARE occasions, this is nothing but cruel, often animals go totally insane from the horrid conditions.

"Dairy cows can suffer more than those in the meat industry -go and have a look on PETA's site or similar and get some good hard facts down ya!"

Haha go to PETA's site for "hard facts", please, thats pure propaganda.
 
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cannabis-sativa, you are totally misguided with that idea that milking the cow somehow 'relieves'it of it's burden. A cow will only produce milk when pregnant so for starters the poor thing is kept pregnant for an unaturally long time per year. This means that she will be far too heavy for the majority of the time leading to pain and infection in her hoofs and legs. She will also be pumped full of hormones to [produce the most amount of milk possible.

Dairy cows can suffer more than those in the meat industry -go and have a look on PETA's site or similar and get some good hard facts down ya!
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how am i "totally misguided"? i said it isn't ***supposed*** to hurt the cow, not that the meat industry doesn't hurt cows. did you skip that part of my post? i stand by what i said, the act of milking a cow itself does not harm the cow.
 
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