Eating from the tree of knowledge

[Eldaren]

This is why I write down everything. Then I can read it completely neutral. It's like a completely different person wrote it, except that completely different person is actually me. Then I try to figure out what the hell I'm really about, and rebuild my ideas so they make sense in reality. You know, find out what I really want and all that. I think I'm on the right track though, because all of my friends seem to be avidly encouraging my book writing escapades, and all of my writing is based on intoxicated ranting.

 

[ASquishyApple]

i really don't have any psychedelic experience but when i do get the chance i definitely plan to try to write as much down as i can. during my one psychedelic experience i kind of did this but my thoughts were going way too fast and trying to write them down just seemed to slow things down. so i mainly just made short notes to attempt to keep my thoughts on some sort of track. mdma was involved so my thoughts were very scattered and i was very easily distracted and would go walk off somewhere to do something and come back to where i had been sitting with no idea what i had been thinking about before until i read the notes i had made. however once i was sober the ideas i had had still made perfect sense to me. it was just after the feelings and state of mind i had been in completely left me over a month later that the answers i had found no longer so perfectly answered the questions. i do think this was somewhat due to me letting things get in the way

 

[Eldaren]

I don't write everything because that's impossible but these days I have a pretty good screening process for what is and isn't worth writing down when I'm tripping. Not to say that some relevant information isn't lost, but this way I still get to enjoy myself and learn at the same time. A healthy mix is best imo.

Usually if i strike a piece of personal gold, I can hold the thought until it gets on a piece of paper or a computer. Or scrawled into the road with a white rock. Whatever it takes man.

 

[B9]

My interpretation of the allegory is the oppositeof the OP's:

Eating of the tree of knowledge led to the emergence of distinct entities, allowing us to learn by observing stuff ('isomorphically', the universe fracturing to know itself), but as a necessary corollary, separation of humans from god/the universe (ie, expulsion from Eden).

Agreed

Psychedelics sometimes reveal that things could be otherwise.

Exactly they can do just that - the mundane feeling described by the OP is possibly due not knowing how to interpret &/or how to bring these revelations to a concrete reality.

 

[love_sex_desire]

My interpretation of the allegory is the oppositeof the OP's:

Eating of the tree of knowledge led to the emergence of distinct entities, allowing us to learn by observing stuff ('isomorphically', the universe fracturing to know itself), but as a necessary corollary, separation of humans from god/the universe (ie, expulsion from Eden).

This describes ordinary experience before psychedelics intervene.

as far as the garden of eden goes... the two unique trees were the tree of the eternal life (eat of it and live forever) and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (eat of it and you will surely die). it was not the tree of knowledge in a general sense. it was specifically the knowledge of good and evil through experience.

I don't have much knowledge in christian theology, but through my own philosophy I interpret the garden of eden allegory to symbolize the creation of perception. Without apparent polarities, such as good and evil, there is nothing binary or relative that the human mind can perceive and experience. If one ate from the tree of eternity, they would experience the opposite of polarities, they would experience the absolute, or the eternal/infinite, and consciousness would be in its natural form as one with God (in a state of paradise/Eden). By eating from the tree of knowledge we were separated from god/the universe (expulsion from Eden) which created separate entities, or polarities, which allowed us to perceive and observe through duality, and gain knowledge through the experience of polarities such as good and evil and finite concepts such as beginning and end (living and dying).

These two trees seem to symbolize our natural state and our present state. Eden is the natural state, the union with God, and is absolute and infinite which equates to the tree of eternity (eternal life). Expulsion from Eden is the separation from God, and our consciousness is finite rather than absolute (living and dying), and experience is only possible through binary terms of polarity, which equates to the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

in my experience it is near impossible to completely and fully explain what you have learned to anyone else (or even yourself at some other distant point in time) simply due to the fact that the knowledge made the most sense to you when you were in that state of mind.

It is extremely difficult and takes mental discipline and intense reasoning but after much experience, reflection, contemplation and integration one can almost completely explain the knowledge gained from psychedelics, but it is hard to understand the exact mechanism for that knowledge. It takes years of integration usually, and even then many people still can't fully explain the insight psychedelics have given them. Even when one can explain the insights they are given from psychedelics and feel fully confident in their logical understanding of the psychedelic induced insight, many still find themselves completely unprepared when faced with the mechanism of this insight in subsequent trips!

 

[Detrevni]

2c-e does that for me.
But with every passing synchronisity that occurs, i feel like i have just eaten another piece.
the warm afterglow lasts for several days afterwards.

Yeah i'd love to try some 2c-e

 

[Outta Pocket]

Yes, but all this knowledge is already deep within the human psyche. I guess I'm of the opinion that psychedelics are mere keys for unlocking doors and teaching us to see things from other perspectives. They force a reevaluation of what is perceived to be important.

It's important to remember that there are innumerable paths to infinite planes of reality...

On the other hand, I do believe I have felt something that could be described as "divine". I am a small part of that divine essence as is everyone. Whether it's being projected from within or is contact with something (partially) external is another story...