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🗣️ General Discussion 🗣️ EADD animal food debate

Yeah I can't imagine a dog faced with a plate of prime steak or something like that and turning away from it, as if to say "I don't eat meat." :ROFLMAO:

My Dad's dog was involunatarily mostly vegetarian as he existed on "Valumix" and milk, which was a sort of a cereal of sorts for dogs, and supposedly offered everything a dog needed for its health and nutrition.

He did get an occasional treat of a 'bone for the dog' from the butcher, for which he would go berserk with excitement.

Probably sick of all that Valumix :ROFLMAO:
 
As long as they are getting what they need to be healthy (ie protein, taurine, whatever vitamins), I see nothing wrong with having a vegetarian cat or dog. Meat may be the natural way to get it, but it's not the only way and I highly doubt a cat really cares either way. They care if they're full and healthy, or if they are not. How they get there is likely not super important. People that get upset about this are doing the same thing they accuse vegetarians of, putting their own views onto the animal. That being said there are 100% horrible vegan/vegetarian pet owners that don't take the extra steps to ensure the animals aren't malnourished. Either way LoginNotSecure needs to spend 5 seconds researching how this stuff works before they put their beak into what other people do. Even standard "kibble" is a lot of grain and pretty shit for a cat or dog, but they wouldn't consider that abuse.
 
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SotPoker1012 said:
As long as they are getting what they need to be healthy (ie protein, taurine, whatever vitamins), I see nothing wrong with having a vegetarian cat or dog. Meat may be the natural way to get it, but it's not the only way and I highly doubt a cat really cares either way. They care if they're full and healthy, or if they are not. How they get there is likely not super important. People that get upset about this are doing the same thing they accuse vegetarians of, putting their own views onto the animal. That being said there are 100% horrible vegan/vegetarian pet owners that don't take the extra steps to ensure the animals aren't malnourished. Either way LoginNotSecure needs to spend 5 seconds researching how this stuff works before they put their beak into what other people do.

Anyway, I was intoxicated when I made my name and meant for it to be "SotPmoker". I didn't catch the mistake and didn't really care.
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3 seconds of google will tell you 99.9% of all vets say it’s not in the dog/cats wellbeing to feed it a meat free diet.
 
Ethically veganizing a cat also has benefit of not needing to grow animal in poor conditions to feed animal in good conditions.

I have no idea how to do that and do not have any knowledge required to form opinion about or if it possible.
 
LoginNotSecure said:
Cats aren’t meant to be vegetarian either.
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You care a lot more then the cat does. Her food contains everything she needs and the vet has never voiced any reservations but rather has always noted that she's in excellent health.

Fwiw it was my mum who put her on the veggie food. I get my kittens the regular chicken kibbles from the supermarket but all I care about is that they're happy and healthy, I'm not pushing my ethics on my pets and I'm not cruel to them.
 
www.veggiepets.com

Ami Vegan Cat Food 1.5kg

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This is the food I use when I'm abusing my pets btw if anyone's interested.
 
LoginNotSecure said:
Dogs aren’t vegetarian..
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don't tel!
but seriously, animals do have their own preferences. at least most my dogs had and have.

LoginNotSecure said:
You forcing your own life views on a carnivorous animal is cruel and you should be banned from keeping pets.
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under different circumstances i would agree with you about this, though.
now i'm doubting your statement because it seems too hostile for me.
less thick skinned people might get scared out of this thread.
 
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LoginNotSecure said:
3 seconds of google will tell you 99.9% of all vets say it’s not in the dog/cats wellbeing to feed it a meat free diet.
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Read why they tend to recommend a meat based diet. It isn't because meat is the only substance on earth that has these things, it's that the average owner isn't going to study dog/cat nutrition and take the extra steps to ensure they're getting everything they need. Meat is easy because it has the right combination of things "out of the box" and it is what they naturally eat, the average person is going to take the path of least resistance. That rule of thumb applies to vegetarians and vegans as much as anyone else.
They would be irresponsible to suggest something they know the average person is, for lack of a more respectful term, too lazy to do. If they just said "yeah its fine IF...", the average person is going to be like you and stop reading there. It is smarter to err on the side of caution when giving advice online, but if you read a bit deeper, it's more complicated than that.

It's probably ill advised to keep derailing the thread with the most off topic debate possible though, so I will stop here unless you know of a thread for this topic to continue in.
 
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It's probably ill advised to keep derailing the thread with the most off topic debate possible though, so I will stop here unless you know of a thread for this topic to continue in.
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Relax. I have 5 cats. His cat is most likely slaughtering every small animal within a 2 mile radius the moment he turns his back on it. I know I'd be out hunting some bird meat or mouse bbq if I was being served a dish full of garbage. My cats wouldn't put up with that. They'd smack me across the face while I was asleep and piss in the bed to let me know they were displeased. I am basically their slave at this point.
 
SotPoker1012 said:
Read why they tend to recommend a meat based diet. It isn't because meat is the only substance on earth that has these things, it's that the average owner isn't going to study dog/cat nutrition and take the extra steps to ensure they're getting everything they need. Meat is easy because it has the right combination of things "out of the box" and it is what they naturally eat, the average person is going to take the path of least resistance. That rule of thumb applies to vegetarians and vegans as much as anyone else.
They would be irresponsible to suggest something they know the average person is, for lack of a more respectful term, too lazy to do. If they just said "yeah its fine IF...", the average person is going to be like you and stop reading there. It is smarter to err on the side of caution when giving advice online, but if you read a bit deeper, it's more complicated than that.

It's probably ill advised to keep derailing the thread with the most off topic debate possible though, so I will stop here unless you know of a thread for this topic to continue in.
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If you have to yawn on that much opposed to meat, you really should just give them meat.

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Isn't pet food usually made from mechanically recovered meat and meat otherwise deemed not fit for human consumption? I don't actually know I just kind of assumed. I don't eat meat personally but it never really occurred to me that livestock would be reared solely for pet food, seems like it would be wasteful and impractical but idk haven't looked into it.

But anyway.

Domesticating animals and keeping them as pets isn't exactly natural but I don't think many people would agree that keeping an animal as a pet constitutes cruelty (though I'm sure there are some who would). What's important (to me) is that the animals I share my home with are happy and thriving.

So long as they are, I don't give a shit if their food contains meat or not. And neither do they, cats don't have ethics they don't care about anyone's moral posturing they've got better things to do.

@LoginNotSecure I get where you're coming from and while I personally wouldn't go out of my way to put my cats on a vegan diet, as far my mum's cat is concerned she's been on the ami cat since we got her 7 years ago and is healthy and thriving and seems to really enjoy her food (turns her nose at most things) so I'm not going to change her food just because a stranger on the internet told me to.

@Esperighanto We've gone way off topic here would you mind moving the pet food conversation into gibberings, please?

Or maybe into a new thread where we can debate pet food with intense enthusiasm idk.
 
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I finally made this new thread.

I also noticed that this topic has got people bit heated; please act civil from now on. I am sure many of you would love to lash yet one more time and it possibly could even be just, but my contribution in forum was also moderated as of recently because somehow I am held to higher standard than regular user :rolleyes: , so I am projecting my frustration this way and I want you to feel like I do.

If you feel like something that has been said is clearly violating against you, please feel free to use report-function and I promise we will give it due process.
 
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