DXM - Experienced - Very calming

[experimenter7]

SWIM has been reading here lately. This is more of a rant or point of enlightenment. Feedback is welcome.

Why is it that people claim that DXM is so dangerous when prescription meds are far worse?

SWIM discovered DXM 3 years ago and tripped on it heavily, several times at 3rd-4th plateau and also many times with alcohol. But SWIM applied the 50-trip rule and stopped after about 35-40 trips.

For the next 3 years (with no DXM) SWIM felt his social anxiety get much worse, and also experienced a period of time when he was very paranoid and borderline suicidal/depressed.

But after those times had passed, SWIM realized these problems were because SWIM was prone to social anxiety to begin with, before DXM use. SWIM had been prescribed Zoloft at age 15 (9 years before ever touching DXM or alcohol), but his parents convinced him such things were all in his head. This is one of the reasons why 9 years later (with the same social anxiety feelings present) SWIM had so much fun with DXM and abused it heavily for a period of time.

Now, 3 years later, SWIM realized his social anxiety has zero to do with DXM, and a small dose of DXM can actually help him realize that social anxiety is all in his head. By experiencing no anxiety and lots of confidence in a simple mental shift due to a low (first plateau) dose of DXM, even after the buzz wears off, SWIM is anxiety free.

SWIM realizes a large part of the depressive and down feelings with DXM in the past were due to higher doses, which created a negative escape cycle. SWIM has never actually had serious depression or any anxiety since shifting his perspective on life. SWIM has only continued to experience social problems that he now realizes are all in his own head.

SWIM realizes that in small doses, DXM is a much better and safer alternative to social anxiety meds (which SWIM doesn't want to take, knowing well that side effects are far more dangerous, and SWIM doesn't like getting a fake happy feeling). DXM intensifies emotions in a smooth way. SWIM realizes that by focusing on the positive and applying only a small dose with GFJ, SWIM experiences a long-lasting relaxation that helps SWIM focus, be more confident, and be more relaxed in many situations. SWIM does not crave DXM at all.

SWIM is confused as to why people on this forum and others turn users away from DXM, and encourage them to see a "doctor" so that the doctor can prescribe much more dangerous prescriptions such as Valium and other benzos which can actually cause seizures if stopped abruptly. Many of theses prescription medications have far more serious and PROVEN addictive properties, as well as very dangerous side effects.

DXM does not cause seizures if stopped abruptly or not, and all dependence is purely psychological. Drug abuse only happens by people who are irresponsible as SWIM once was. Many people have used DXM hundreds of times at very high doses and though there is some brain damage, it has not proven to be permanent, as many have claimed to recover after 6-7 months. No studies or research has ever proven permanent lesions or brain damage. And if it was that addictive, it would not be available OTC.

SWIM is wondering why DXM is not encouraged for its relaxing/calming effects at small doses? Why do all DXM users enjoy the hallucination properties more than the calming effects? SWIM believes that GFJ prevents tolerance and allows DXM to work the same magic every time.

SWIM plans on using low doses of DXM with GFJ for the next few months on/off once a week or so, since the GFJ/DXM after glow comfort lasts much longer, and in combination with milk thistle, his liver/organs should be fine. Possibly also a much better alternative to alcohol.

 

[djsim]

Welcome to BL. Read the rules stickied to the top of the forum. That being said...
1. We hate SWIM here. Youre talking about DXM and grapefruit juice, so I fail to see why you need to use SWIM in this case anyway
2. Try trip reports, as OD is mainly for drug questions

 

[experimenter7]

Welcome to BL. Read the rules stickied to the top of the forum. That being said...
1. We hate SWIM here. Youre talking about DXM and grapefruit juice, so I fail to see why you need to use SWIM in this case anyway
2. Try trip reports, as OD is mainly for drug questions

Okay, thanks. I didn't realize that. Can you please move my thread in that case? I'll refrain from the "SWIM" from now on.

 

[ofukibenhearB4]

i agree with you Entirely, i belive ANY psychedelic with RESPONSIBLE and reasonable use can competely alleive many mental illnesses
your also right that dxm is VARY VARY safe. especaiyl in comparison to the other drugs peeps use around here

 

[Unknown]

Welcome to BL. Read the rules stickied to the top of the forum. That being said...
1. We hate SWIM here. Youre talking about DXM and grapefruit juice, so I fail to see why you need to use SWIM in this case anyway
2. Try trip reports, as OD is mainly for drug questions

+1.

 

[ofukibenhearB4]

fuck not even writing a trip report. hes talking about LOW doses being used to help anxiety.. and what do you mean, OD is "mainly for drug questions"? its a board to discuss Other drugs, which is exactly what this person is doing

 

[Unknown]

fuck not even writing a trip report. hes talking about LOW doses being used to help anxiety.. and what do you mean, OD is "mainly for drug questions"? its a board to discuss Other drugs, which is exactly what this person is doing

OD is for other drug questions. Drug discussions go in Basic or Advanced Drug Discussion.

 

[djsim]

ofuk: yeh, but it falls under trip reports IMO. Hey I'm not a mod so I just welcomed him and said try trip reports, as posts like this generally get moved

 

[ofukibenhearB4]

I get ya! i understand. at first i wasnt really viewing it a a trip report........
hey were all good in here! peace everyone

 

[lazydullard]

DXM, even at low doses, is way too stupifying for me to use as a 'utility' drug. There is no better cure for anxiety, DXM even beats unconciousness, but it doesn't leave me with enough mental facility to actually do stuff. Plus, the loss in depth perception makes me look like a fool.

But I'm a bit dull anyway. If it weren't for that, I would prolly do something similiar. Actually, I'm considering giving this kind of thing another try anyway, while combining it with supplements and nooptropics. Lecithin, for example, I find speeds recovery from the stupification.

 

[Mr Blonde]

SWIM believes that GFJ prevents tolerance and allows DXM to work the same magic every time.

I would like to see SWIY's logic or evidence for this statement.

Okay, thanks. I didn't realize that. Can you please move my thread in that case? I'll refrain from the "SWIM" from now on.

As you wish...

OD===>TR

 

[experimenter7]

Thanks for moving the thread. Yeah, it actually wasn't meant to be TR, but whatever, I'm new here. I figure I can make it into more of a trip report as I drag the thread on with more evidence of the claims I've made.

I would like to see SWIY's logic or evidence for this statement.

Actually, that's a good inquiry. This was the first time I tried DXM with GFJ. It was also the first time I had done DXM in a long time. I am positive of the fact that it cured my anxiety to a huge extent as I've been very relaxed these past few days.

But, I am skeptical as well. So right now starting with an empty stomach, I just downed 3-4 glasses of GFJ, followed by 90mg of DXM (via Robotussin), and then another 3-4 glasses of GFJ. Actually I just chugged a bunch of GFJ before and after straight from the 2L bottle. Shit, and now I'm starting to get a stomach cramp. I hope it goes away soon.

Anyway, this should be a good test to see if GFJ + low DXM = relaxation, because 90mg is too little to do much of anything, so if it does provide any comfort I will continue to test it out and see if it does the magic every time or if it builds up.

 

[stirfry]

experimenter7: what dose of DXM do you generally use for this purpose?

DXM definitely lowers social inhibitions for me, it's like it takes away the emotional response that can be attached to social situations. i don't feel anxiety or fear or self consciousness when speaking my mind, even in circumstances where i would if i were sober. if you know how you react to DXM, low doses (1st or low 2nd plateau) are fun in social settings. it's kinda like alcohol in that it loosens you up so you can have a good time, but with a trippy twist. i don't really enjoy high dose DXM trips by the way.

 

[experimenter7]

Well, it seems like the GFJ +

experimenter7: what dose of DXM do you generally use for this purpose?

DXM definitely lowers social inhibitions for me, it's like it takes away the emotional response that can be attached to social situations. i don't feel anxiety or fear or self consciousness when speaking my mind, even in circumstances where i would if i were sober. if you know how you react to DXM, low doses (1st or low 2nd plateau) are fun in social settings. it's kinda like alcohol in that it loosens you up so you can have a good time, but with a trippy twist. i don't really enjoy high dose DXM trips by the way.

Yeah, same here, I've realized DXM is the best ego killer. By nature, I overanalyze/overthink things, which keeps me from opening up much socially. I think someone once noted that DXM creates holes in the posterior complex part of the brain that controls inhibitions/ego. To be honest, I'd rather that part of my brain stopped being so overactive anyway. Some people say that DXM makes them feel stupid (although I think they take too much), but for me, it's almost like it slows my mind down a notch to what it should normally be, since my mind is usually on hyperdrive. I feel more focused actually with DXM, because otherwise I'd be thinking of 30 different things.

I really also like the increased perceptual awareness. I think before, when I was doing high doses, I saw this as paranoia, but I actually think at low doses you become much more aware visually of people's body language and you can almost sense people's vibes better, and I feel that's an advantage. I've been able to notice how nervous other people actually are - like wow, I never realized that a lot of people out there are also nervous at times in social situations, it's not just me. I hate to say it, but by seeing other people so nervous it somewhat makes me more confident.

Anyway, yesterday I did 90mg + GFJ before/after it. GFJ makes a HUGE difference! I really felt like I had done 180-220mg, at least double the dose. 90mg usually does not make me feel as buzzed as it did yesterday. I took it at around 10am, and it took a bit longer to hit than usual. Usually it takes about 20-25min, but this time it took about 35-42min (yes, I'm exact).

In any case, I got a bit nervous on the up just because I had almost assumed that it wasn't going to "hit" me this time since I figured I'd taken so little. I thought I'd just get a mild buzz or possibly nothing at all. When it hit, I was standing at the cashier in a store, and all of a sudden I felt a bit dizzy and anxious just because I didn't want anyone around me to know (especially because I wasn't sure how strong it would get, I got worried it was going to get full-blown intense). It took a little while to get comfortable again just from that unexpectedness. I've realized DXM certainly intensifies whatever I'm feeling at the time, and the slowed breathing certainly doesn't help with this It's good to feel relaxed an calm when the hit is coming on - at least from now on I'll expect 90-100mg plus GFJ to create hits.

Anyway, it felt pretty strong for about 3 more hours (I would say it lasted exactly 3 hours - although time always seems distorted as if it's longer in the moment but after it felt so much shorter than normal). I actually took it because I was taking a test, and oddly, I figured it would help - and it did, I was able to focus better on my test! But I was dizzy enough that I almost fell over a few times! I never realized 90mg could be so intense with GFJ. I was actually hoping it would end at some points, just because being high in public isn't the most fun. But that's because I assume that people can tell I'm high.

Eventually I got used to it and it started to feel really good after about 2hrs. I don't think my pupils get dilated enough to be discernible. I remember even back 3 years ago when I was doing 3rd plateau doses, most people couldn't tell I was on anything even when I asked them. I know people say the pupils are a sign of being high, but it could be a sign of a lot more things. Caffeine makes pupils dilated as well and so does dim light (rarely is light in a room bright enough to cause 'normal' or small/tiny pupils). Also it's not often that a stranger is close enough and staring at your eyes enough to be able to tell your pupils are dilated. I think, however, the way I walk when I'm buzzed is a bit different, especially if I'm in a rush to get somewhere, it feels funny.

I really do feel it's wiping my anxiety, especially after the buzz wears off, I feel even more anxiety-free. I think I'll keep doing this a couple more times and eventually it will put me in an anxiety-free state of mind without it. I think honestly, DXM is what you want it to be. If you want it to lead to paranoia then it will. If you want it to relax you, then it will. That's why it's so powerful, because it can do what you want it to do.

 

[experimenter7]

I don't like the puking my guts up part of it at all.

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I really want to do it again tho because the second time was so good. But the sickness and the stomach stuff worries me. Any comments/help greatly appreciated.

I think one thing is to definitely make sure you have an empty stomach. Out of the 40+ trips, I've only had 1 puking incident, and that was when I had 2 hamburgers and an energy drink before the DXM. And when I say empty stomach, I mean, morning after your morning bathroom break that typically clears the body of any food left over from the last day. At nights, if I know I'm going to trip, I make sure I don't eat anything about 4 hours before it.

Although most times, there is a point where I would feel a bit nauseous on the higher trip doses. When you're about 30min and it's just hitting, you'll start to feel hotter, and perhaps a bit nauseous. Everyone reacts a bit differently to this. Maybe you should try lower trip doses with GFJ.

Try 100mg with GFJ and see how you'll react to that. I don't know what you're into, but I'm not into the visuals and stuff like that. The robot walk is sort of fun though, and I get that sometimes when I mix with alcohol.

There were a couple times where I drank heavily after downing a 4oz of tussin, and I felt like I was going to throw up those times, but held back.

Be sure to drink plenty of fluids and be healthy aside from the tripping. I typically eat maybe 30min after drinking the DXM because it helps me from not getting nauseous actually.

Wouldn't exactly call myself a DXM expert, so that's all I can think of. Anyway good luck, I would go with lower doses though, and try that out.

 

[MeDieViL]

i just took 90mg DXM, will see how it helps my social anxiety

and that was when I had 2 hamburgers and an energy drink before the DXM.

LOL, thats just what i ingested before i took the DXM...

 

[MeDieViL]

its an hour later and i dont notice any differend, but then again it takes 4 hours for DXM to come up in me

edit: hmm dxm seems useless for my social anxiety

 

[experimenter7]

its an hour later and i dont notice any differend, but then again it takes 4 hours for DXM to come up in me

edit: hmm dxm seems useless for my social anxiety

Hmm, yeah, I don't know, but DXM lately has been the miracle drug for my anxiety. I feel so smooth and confident, it's almost like I'm a different person...and coming down / after the buzz has worn off is even better! I just feel so relaxed, more than ever. Maybe you're not taking enough to even feel it? It depends on your body weight.

 

[MeDieViL]

i'l try to take more, but my anxiety is hard to treat, alcohol barely works, benzo's and opiates dont work, MDMA's comedown is my miracly treatment, day after MDMA i'm free of social anxiety yet aint high and a total differend person

that those treatments still work on the comedown for us makes me beleive we have found the real issue in the brain, you may have problems on the receptors dxm hits and me otherwise

 

[DXM101]

Theres not one element of DXM that could make you relax or calm you down. In fact, it causes large amounts of stress in muscular systems and can often cause muscle spasms if enough water is not consumed.