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DXM + DMT - Experienced - Pure Euphoria

jquinn

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Well, this is it: my "official" twentieth post and my escape from the greenlight ghetto... ;) So, I have decided to commemorate this great event with a minor trip report. I apologize in advance for my poor and uninteresting writing style. I know it sucks.

Background:
I have had the extreme good fortune of being able to experience the combination of Ketamine and N,N-dimethyltryptamine (hereinafter “DMT”) on several occasions. There is a wealth of information on this combo out there on the 'Net, so I will not dwell heavily thereupon, save only to affirm, in my experience, the general consensus that this mix does indeed manifest whole other worlds of bliss and rapture. It was my great successes with this combination which so piqued my curiosity about the admixture of DMT with other commonly available dissociatives.
In researching this idea, I was somewhat surprised by the general lack of information prevailing about combining DMT with the quite commonly used dissociative dextromethorphan (DXM). I attribute this scarcity of information mostly to the rather poor reputation enjoyed by this oft reviled anti-tussive. No doubt, many reading this report will think that I am a perfect asshole for "wasting" something as beautiful as DMT upon the foulness of that which is all things nasty under the sun (a.k.a. DXM).
However, I am amongst those happy few who are able to not only sustain a significant measure of interest in DXM, but in truth, also find quite a high degree of pleasure and usefulness in its consumption. While I do not place it even remotely on par with K overall, I do find DXM to be a valuable ally for differing reasons, and an enjoyable experience in its own right. I have indulged myself therein, at every possible dosage level, for several years now, and I consider myself to be very experienced therewith.
Also for several years now, I have enjoyed the extreme pleasures of being in regular acquaintance with DMT. It has provided for me, through its various forms and methods of administration, some of the most exalted peak experiences of my existence. It was largely responsible (taken orally with an MAOI) for one of the only two “+4” experiences with which I have ever been blessed. It is, without a doubt, amongst my all-time favorite greatest excellent things.
Finally, as both DMT and DXM are drugs which I tend to enjoy in combinations, it was only natural that I would, sooner or later, resolve to explore this mix. Having now done so, it is my intent to release such information as I have learned about this apparently somewhat uncommonly practiced combination. Alright then, that should be more than enough background information. So then, on with the report...

Subject:
171 pound, 25 year old, male - extensively experienced with psychedelics and many other drugs.

Setting:
My own house and my backyard, in the company of my beautiful wife who herself had remained sober as an observer and my companion throughout the experience.

Set:
I was in very good spirits, enjoying a lovely day and excited about the opportunity to experience a new drug combination. As I was at a relatively peaceful point in my life, I was not under any unusual stresses or suffering with any disease.

Dosages:
720 mg. dextromethorphan HCl in capsules, taken orally.
2 OTC cough & cold liquid gels (for the polyethyleneglycol), also taken orally.
40-100 mg. N,N-dimethyltryptamine freebase, vaporized and inhaled, repeated six times throughout the evening.

Duration: 8 hours.

Chronology:
T+00:00 - I have encapsulated 720 mg. of DXM HCl, which I had extracted from syrup and converted to the hydrochloric salt, and ingested this along with two PEG containing OTC cough & cold pills. I settled down on my couch to read a book and talk with my wife while waiting for the onset of the effects.

T+00:25 - Eating DXM directly in its HCl salt form is vastly superior, in my opinion, to eating cough syrups, as this method drastically reduces nausea during the come-up stages. However, as I am a long-time, experienced user of this drug, I am quite sensitive even to its more subtle effects upon my body. So that even in its isolated form, DXM tends to produce in me a little bit of nausea as I am awaiting its onset. I was experiencing this minor nausea at the time. I had curled up on my couch with a blanket and a book to minimize any discomfort.

T+00:45 - By then, my nausea was rapidly fading away. I was beginning to feel the first true effects and alerts from the DXM. My senses of taste, smell, and touch began to diminish, as is the usual course of things with me and DXM.

T+01:00 - Now, I was definitely and distinctly feeling the intoxicating effects of DXM. All traces of nausea had vanished. Feeling quite nice, I sat down my book and had a conversation with my wife. As the effects continued to increase, my thoughts and ideas multiplied and fractalized while simultaneously I felt an increasing difficulty communicating these concepts verbally. However, I am experienced with this state, and my wife is quite patient and used to seeing me this way, so at no point did communication become totally impossible.

T+02:00 - I am not going to dwell in great detail upon the intricacies of the DXM-only portion of this trip. There are way more than necessary DXM trip reports out there already, and that is not what this one is about.
However, I should point out that by the second hour after ingestion I was feeling unusually good. DXM had by this point in my life generally lost much of its magic for me. But, for some reason, on this night that magic was fated to return. This may have been due to my excitement and good mood about what lay ahead later that evening.

T+02:45 - Wow! Quite unexpectedly and wonderfully I found myself having one of the nicer DXM experiences of my adult life. My wife and I went out in our back yard to sit in the shade of the trees and enjoy the beautiful Summer's evening.
I felt positively fantastic. Pleasant and euphoric rushes were flowing through my body. Being outside in the grass and shade and cool breezes of the evening was heavenly. Conversation was easily and freely flowing and provided feelings of intimacy and closeness even though my wife was sober and I was tripping. I felt a general connectedness to her and everything else in my world that was deeply and spiritually tranquil and yet profound. In short, I was having a truly excellent time.

T+03:30 - I had by this point achieved the peak of the DXM experience. In the jargon of Mr. White, I had crescendoed at a very, very strong second plateau trip that on more that one occasion took a healthy foray into plateau three territory. However, I had not indulged and developed this with deep meditation as I usually would have were this to be a DXM experience exclusively. On this evening, I preferred instead the company and conversation of my wife, and at no point did I become totally inebriated and absorbed inside myself. I was feeling uncharacteristically social and very, very happy.

T+03:45 - By this point I was noticing the progression of my metabolic transitioning from a DXM unto a DXO dominated experience. I decided that now would be as good a time as any to begin my experiment with combining DMT into the mix. I got myself setup and prepared in my bed with lots of blankets and pillows and all the necessary comforts and accoutrements. I was in a wonderful mood, feeling excited and very happy with the progression of the evening so far

T+04:00 - My wife and I decided to settle down for the night, she with a book, and I with a huge pile of DMT. This is the point at which things took off on an immediate and radical transformation.
As I mentioned at the beginning of this report, DXM + DMT seems to be a relatively uncommon combo. Given the unusually small amount of available data, I realized it would be wise to start with small doses and gradually work up from there. But, like all the best laid plans of mice and men, that idea was quickly (and yes, I'll admit, rather stupidly) discarded, due mostly to the prevailing influences of the DXM and my excellent mood. I measured what was to be my first hit of DMT at about 45 mg, a decently strong, but not totally overpowering dose for me when sober. Who knew how it would work out though with DXM in my system?

T+04:05 - 04:35 - The lack of available information on this combination on the Internet was somewhat unsettling to me. If this was a good idea, why was it not more heavily documented? I had asked myself this question over and over in the days and weeks leading up to this moment. Now that the moment was at hand I was seriously questioning whether or not this would be a good idea.
As it turns out, combining DXM with DMT is not such a good idea after all... It is an absolutely, unbelievably, indescribably, oh-my-god-damn-what-the-hell, EXCELLENT idea!! (one of the best I've ever had, in fact).
I was able to vaporize and inhale virtually all of the 45 mg in two large hits. This DMT was of excellent purity, and the hits were very smooth and quite tasty, beautiful. What happened next was rather unexpected, and it literally took my breath away.
Firstly, I need to emphasize that the two drugs did definitely seem to interact with each other. That is, the DXM apparently altered, quite radically, the experience of DMT, and vice-versa. Notably, the more visual and psychedelic effects of each drug, but particularly the DMT, felt, to a large degree dampened. There was a strong visual component here, without doubt, but it mainly consisted of visual field effects, like localized, intense swirlings and a strange blurring effect whereby everything appeared to be vibrating at small wavelengths with very high frequency, giving the impression, periodically, that everything had gone all hazy and out of sync. The characteristic brilliantly neon colored fractal laser-show of hyper-intelligent geometries usually associated so integrally with DMT seemed to be suppressed by the DXM. Also, the cloudyheadedness that I always experience when there is a lot of DXO in my system was replaced by a piercing mental clarity which lasted for the remainder of the trip. However, the manifesting of expansive, profound psychedelic thought patterns was not inclined to occur, nor was, to any great extent, any sort of deep introspection or reflection.
Perhaps these alterations to the subjective effects of these substances when used in conjunction sound somewhat disappointing. If these were the only results I experienced, then yes, I would have been profoundly disappointed. But, that was not the case at all. What this combo lacked in terms of pretty colors and unusual thinking it more than made up for with its totally immersive, all-consuming, mind-shattering euphoria. The DXM seemed to extend the effects of the DMT somewhat. For 25 to 35 minutes after each dose of DMT my entire mind and body would be wracked with wave after wave of the most intense and pleasurable euphoria that I have ever experienced. I was completely blown away, floored, re-assembled and blown away again. It felt like my brain was a hyper-charged ball of electricity which would, with steadily increasing frequency, discharge these waves of pure electric pleasure flowing outwards through my body. I find that I am totally unable to provide an accurate description of the intensity of this pleasure. There simply are no words for this category of experience.

T+04:45-07:30 - As one may readily imagine, I was feeling rather pleased with my little discovery at this point. So, logically, I decided to engage heavily in further research thereof. Basically, I spent just over two and a half hours lying in my bed, curled up comfortably with pillows and blankets and a huge pile of DMT. During this time I repeatedly dosed myself with vaporized DMT, with doses ranging from 45 mg, on the low end, up to approximately 100 mg, on the high end. It is possible to smoke a tenth of a gram of DMT. It takes several hits though, and they must be done in rapid succession, as one quickly becomes inebriated to the point at which it is impossible to continue.
Over the course of the night my DMT dosing was as follows: 45 mg (described above), 50 mg, 50 mg, 60 mg, 60 mg, 100 mg. All of these doses were vaporized and these were spaced out over a period of about two and a half hours. Tolerance began to become apparent towards the end of this time and I therefore decided to cease experimentation. Also, I was rapidly beginning to come down off the DXM by this time as well.
In the course of my repeated trials with this combination I was able to reach some generalized conclusions. In addition to markedly altering the subjective effects, DXM seems to extend the duration of the effects felt from DMT to a noticeable degree. Usually when I smoke DMT I feel peak effects within 2 to 3 minutes which gradually recede back to baseline within 10 to 15 minutes, depending on level of dosage. While under the influence of DXM however, the effects of the DMT seemed to build more slowly over the course of about 5 minutes, and would remain strongly active for 20 to 30 minutes, depending likewise on level of dosage. I cannot explain the pharmacology of how or why this might be so, but I did measure this with a clock, so I know I was not simply experiencing some sort of time dilation. Given the overall pleasantness of the experience, this extended duration was a welcome surprise.
As I have already described, the combination of DXM with DMT exerts a large degree of alteration upon the subjective effects of both drugs. I found the usual cloudiness, dreaminess, and spaciness of the post-peak DXM experience to be virtually eradicated by the DMT. My mind felt very clear and sharp, and my thoughts and verbalization were highly lucid. Also, my thinking was not as significantly altered as I usually would experience with psychedelics. Normally, I find DMT, by itself or in combination with other psychedelics, to be one of the most visual experiences I have ever encountered. This effect was drastically reduced by the DXM. As mentioned above, the primary visual effects of this combo were relatively unimpressive. They consisted mainly of the above mentioned swirling and vibrating effects permeating throughout my visual field. As the doses were repeated the visual effects grew much stronger and began to include significant warping and distortion. Also, as the DXM began to wear off, more characteristic DMT visuals became apparent.
The really amazing result of this combination was, as I have said already, the shockingly overpowering mental and physical euphoria that I experienced. This was similar to, however far more acutely intense than, that which I experienced combining LSD with MDMA. My mind was instantly rocketed into a stratosphere of pure unassailable joy, while my body was delivered into a state of electrified tranquility and bliss. The nearly orgasmic physical sensations came in rapidly repeating waves. This was, without a doubt, one of the most pleasant experiences I have ever had with any drug or combination of drugs.

T+08:00 - I stopped smoking DMT once tolerance began to manifest itself. The DMT seemed to make the come down of the DXM less noticeable. By this time I had come down significantly enough that I was feeling pleasantly tired with a nice afterglow. At this point, I fixed myself a drink and some time later fell into a deep and relaxing sleep.

Conclusions:
The combination of DXM with DMT was, for me at least, massively enjoyable and highly recreational. I was not expecting the effects that I obtained at all. Both of these are substances that I find do have a high potential for recreational use, but also are capable of producing experiences of incredible profundity. Perhaps further experimentation with this combination (and there definitely will be) will yield such results. However, my initial impression suggests that this is not likely. This was not a mystical experience of awe-inspiring enlightenment. This was, nonetheless, an incredible experience of outright unadulterated euphoria.
If one is searching for the keys to the mysteries of the universe, or of the inner mind, they are not to be found here. But, for anyone who is not too highly put off by the effects of DXM, and who might enjoy a few hours of total mind-blowing bliss, I would not hesitate to recommend this combination most enthusiastically.

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Wow! Thanks for sharing. And give yourself some credit... this is a very nice report. :)

And welcome to the promised land... the land of Blue lights. I'm sure you'll enjoy your stay here.
 
Thanks for the report!

I'm one of the few who finds DXM to be a unique, and worthwhile experience. I haven't tried it in years, but I can imagine a unique synergy between DXM and DMT. I generally prefer psychedelics to dissociatives nowadays, but ketamine is excellent for a short dissociative booster during an extended psychedelic experience. Also, I highly recommend a combination of DMT with LSD or the 4-substituted tryptamines.

Welcome to Bluelight!
 
Nice report, I've sadly never tried DMT (besides dreamtime but that was pretty weak) however I did once try DXM with 5-meo-dmt, that was a waste - pretty much just passed out instantly :(
 
Firstly, thank you to eveyone who responded to this report. This was a unique experience for me and I'm glad some people could find my relating of it useful.

rogan said:
however I did once try DXM with 5-meo-dmt, that was a waste - pretty much just passed out instantly :(

Wow, how did you remain coordinated enough to dose out 5-MeO-DMT while on DXM?

That does remind me though, I could easily see how that could happen. Upon refelction, there is something I need to clairify about this report. The reason I put "experienced" in the title even though this was my first attempt with this combination was that I do have several years worth of experience with each of the chemicals involved. Specifically, I have an actual physical tolerance which has built up over time to DXM. The dosage level in this report (720 mg) is only a strong "second plateau" level dosage for me these days. Before I had acquired this unfortunate level of tolerance, this would have easily been a heavy plateau three dose - not the sort of thing I would add any other drugs onto. And, while DMT is not the sort of thing which tends to induce long term physical tolerance, after many, many experiences therewith, I feel comfortable enough with its effects to push the envelope sometimes and explore the higher levels of its safe dosage.

That said, I do stand by the recommendation at the end of my report that this is something other people may enjoy. But, I should add that this experience pushed me to the limits of what my body and brain could endure. It was most incredible and highly enjoyable, but also very intense. I just want to caution people to keep the dosages low whenever combining any drugs. Although I did go a little overboard at the end with the DMT (due to tolerance), I never went beyond what I knew to be safe for myself, from previous experience. And, more importantly 720 mg of DXM is a dose that I can take and remain quite functional. This may not be so for others. And, it is definately not so for anyone new to this drug.

Please be careful. It would be a shame to miss something like this by just passing out, but there are far worse things that could happen as well.
 
Wow, how did you remain coordinated enough to dose out 5-MeO-DMT while on DXM?
Don't really know :) it definitely wasn't planned, the effects of the DXM were starting to wear off and I wasn't ready for it so I stupidly decided to smoke the 5-MeO-DMT. I consider myself experienced with DXM but 700mg is still for me a definite high 3rd plateau.
 
rogan said:
Don't really know :) it definitely wasn't planned, the effects of the DXM were starting to wear off and I wasn't ready for it so I stupidly decided to smoke the 5-MeO-DMT. I consider myself experienced with DXM but 700mg is still for me a definite high 3rd plateau.

LOL. Yeah, I've certainly made my share of similarly motivated errors as well... ;) And thank you again for the reply by the way. It was your message which prompted me to add my clarification about dosages and tolerance.
I quite stupidly over (ab)used DXM much too heavily a few years ago. Unfortunately, even now, after long periods of abstinance, I've found my tolerance to DXM to be very resiliant. Hopfully others will not be as stupid as I was.
 
awsome reoprt! i love reading about DXM in combination with other drugs, but i dont think i have the guts to try it myself.... well, except with weed, which is awsome.
 
Thanks for the insight into dxm+dmt combo-trips!

I may or may not be tripping on dxm at the moment, and I may or may not be smoking dmt in a few minutes :D
 
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