Opioids Durogesic best roa and dosing

[flyhighk]

I'm looking to have some fun using durogesic 25 patches. They aren't the generic kind. I have a very low tolerance if any, last opioid use was 350mg codeine like 2 months ago and the effects were far from strong. According to wikipedia 0.1mg fentanyl is equivalent to 100mg codeine. So a quarter of a patch (1mg) swallowed would be close to 330mg codeine because the bioavailability of oral fen is 33%. Am I right ?
How do you suggest taking it ? Chewing or maybe smoking it ? Those aren't that cheap so wanna make sure they're worth it before buying. (I could get 160 400/20 codeine pills for the price of 5 patches)
thanks

 

[El Barto]

smoking is the best ROA for this pacthes, imo, if you can support that plastic flavour. If not under the tongue, but not as a chewing gum, dont swallow it

are you sure that 0.1 mg of fentanyl means 100 mg of codeine?

codeine is the lowest oppie, fentanyl one of the stronger ones. Start with less of one quarter unless you want to reach the breath depression

Mod Note: Smoking fentanyl is extremely dangerous due to the fact that you have know idea how much you are actually vaporizing not to mention smoking plastic is horrible.

 

[flyhighk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_comparison
I think ima start with an 8th (500mcg) pressed against my inner cheek

 

[missmeyet?]

If your only tolerance is a little bit of codiene then it would be very dangerous for you to use a fentanyl patch. Many people here on BL alone have died from OD from fentanyl patches and these were people who were very experienced with opiates/opioids in general and fentanyl in particular. Please be careful and I would highly recommend you not to do it and just stick with your codeine if you can get that many instead.
*edit* Please realize that a "25 patch" does not contain 25 micrograms of fentanyl. It releases 25 micrograms of fent an hour. The total patch contains 4.2 MG in total.

 

[flyhighk]

Im not that stupid lol. I know this. A quarter of a patch contains 1mg of fent. That's equivalent to 1000mg codeine. Bioavailability is 33% orally. So 33% of the 1mg would be absorbed if swallowed. 0.33mg fent is equivalent to 330mg codeine.
+ i already stated that an 8th contains 500mcg.
And btw, was the opioid conversion chart removed from here ? I can't find it anymore...

 

[flyhighk]

Just found it

Morphine 10 mg IV =Codeine - 120 mgFentanyl - 0.1 mgSufentanil - 0.014 mgHydromorphone - 1.5 mgLevorphanol - 2 mgMeperidine - 75 mgMethadone - 10 mgHeroin - 6 mg†Oxycodone - 20 mgOxymorphone - 1 mgBuprenorphine - 0.3 mg

 

[El Barto]

Mod Note: Smoking fentanyl is extremely dangerous due to the fact that you have know idea how much you are actually vaporizing not to mention smoking plastic is horrible. [/QUOTE]


well you can know exactly how much are you smoking, its pretty easy, you take a 1/8 of patch and it has X microgram of fentanyl , an 1/16 of patch will have the middle of it..of course you can have an idea of how many are you vaporizing


fentanyl is dangerous? ofc it is, someone doing this must accept that is dealing with a dangerous drug. is it so difficult to start from a really low dose, see how it affect to the own body, and then re-dosificate if needed? waiting at least half an hour between doses? i dont think it is so difficult. And never mix with benzos neither other oppies, is it so hard to do?

The one who oppens the thread is supposed to be an adult, is his own responsability if somtehing bad happens, it will happen to him, if sth good the same..the rest are only words

and yeah, the plastic taste sxcks


ps: havnig tolerance to codeine means low tellerance to oppies, i would take really care of the dose

 

[Toz]

Best ROA for fentanyl patches is the intended one. If it's gel patches they can easily be smoked, otherwise you can cut them into strips and place them between your gums, both methods are fairly wasteful. I recommend putting 1-2 patches on and remember they take a loooong time to kick in fully (12 hours+ sometimes). You should probably start with 1 patch if you haven't done any opiates in 2 months.

 

[UnspokenVoice]

IV that... No, really... Don't. *sighs* Tuesday will be here soon.

5ml lemon
8ml h20
heat & cook down to 1cc
find vein - plan your shot
start small

No, really, don't, it's addictive as hell. The W/D is awful.

 

[flyhighk]

I never IVed anything and hopefully will never need to. It's gotta be the gel kind, I decided to put an 8th (500mcg) under my tongue or between my gums. Now I need to see which pharmacy is willing to sell me those.

 

[UnspokenVoice]

I never IVed anything and hopefully will never need to. It's gotta be the gel kind, I decided to put an 8th (500mcg) under my tongue or between my gums. Now I need to see which pharmacy is willing to sell me those.

Excellent choice and I think many of us said that - let's hope you stick with it. The effect from IVing it is amazing BUT if you are happy with your ROA then definitely do not bother with the sharps. If you can avoid junking out w/IV then, by all means, that's a MUCH safer and MUCH smarter choice.

 

[missmeyet?]

Mod Note: Smoking fentanyl is extremely dangerous due to the fact that you have know idea how much you are actually vaporizing not to mention smoking plastic is horrible.

"The one who oppens the thread is supposed to be an adult, is his own responsability if somtehing bad happens, it will happen to him, if sth good the same..the rest are only words"



Hmm..I didn't realize that BL had begun to verify age before allowing someone to post here..(insert sarcasm). People who begin these threads are frequently NOT adults but young, very inexperienced kids.

OP, I apologize, it was not my intention to imply that you were stupid. I must have missed part of your post but I do see those figures in it now. Again, I apologize..it is never my intent to be condescending to anyone here at BL (not in a serious manner anyways, jokingly ...maybe! I think BL provides a great service and I am proud to be a part of that service. There is no other place like it as far as being able to get info, advice and see so much personal experience in one place.

So, that being said, OP, you already know this but please please be very cautious if you are intent on trying these patches. There was people here who had a lot of (and I mean a lot) personal experience with all types of drugs in general and fentanyl specifically and guess what brought him down (killed him)...

Jumping from codeine to fent is a pretty big step, more like a leap. And here is the kicker...most people feel that fentanyl does not feel great as a drug of recreational use. So if you have an opportunity to buy something other than these patches I would definately try something else.
Good luck and take care

 

[El Barto]

Hmm..I didn't realize that BL had begun to verify age before allowing someone to post here..(insert sarcasm). People who begin these threads are frequently NOT adults but young, very inexperienced kids.

well you know, i suppose anyone i am talking here about drugs is older of 18. If is youngest, is his parents fault to allow him posting here! i am not the father of anyone , am I? I cant control all the kids of the world, maybe their parents should give a try

Someone wants to know the best roa of fenta , i tell him, together with the info that should make the risk lower ( lower harm , isnt it the purpose of this web? you can read my full post again : P )

So, if an adult ( again: if he is a kid, is not my fault cause i am not the parent of the whole humanity) wants to know sth about fentanyl, it means he is going to use it, dosent mind how dangerous you tell him it is. If he is going to use it, as a free adult, he deserves:

1) the correct info about different ROAS

2) some info about lowering the harm

isnt it?

And here is the kicker...most people feel that fentanyl does not feel great as a drug of recreational use

thats why you shouldnt mix with benzos neither other oppies, even you realize "hey i am not so high" , and you should wait some time between doses, as i said

Yes, we can tell lies to people, lies based on: "as fentanyl is dangerous, better people far from it" , in fact drugs prohibition policy is based on this, so congratz for thinking that way ( now this is sarcasm too : P )

So: to anyone: dont do fentanyl or you will get bald! and with hairy hands! nasty yeah..i think with this kind of lies more people will die, so better to give the right info

There is no other place like it

in english maybe, i know other place, in other language, where still exists more freedom for talking about personal experiences, growing "things" or chemical process...yeah, there is always people bothering about X or Y as you have done. Probably the differences about those webs are based on the differetn drug laws in our countries. In mine, for taking drugs for own consum, you never go to jail, you got a fine

If you like the freedom there is in here, why do you act as if you dont?

 

[missmeyet?]

The whole purpose of this community is harm reduction, do you understand that? And yes there are many people present here that are under 18 and though they are personally not your responsibility if you are posting on BL you are responsible for what you say that may or may not cause them harm. Do not glamourize a drug or say its not that dangerous. This has nothing to do with propaganda. I have been a nurse for 20 years in addition to a chronic pain patient that has probably taken every prescription narcotic pain med out there at some point or another. I'm not talking bullshit when I say some very experienced members of BL have died from this drug, ask anyone who has been here very long.

The purpose of the "other place" you go to on the internet to talk about sourcing and growing etc to do with drugs does not have the same purpose as this site obviously. This is not the place for that. You totally miss the point. We are here to help people, not just to help them get high. But if people are going to use then others here would like to help them be as safe as possible which is why advice is given such as why a fairly opiate naive person who only takes codeine might not want to jump atraight up to fentanyl. Now if the OP chooses to do so that's his choice and then everyone (well most, obviously) wants to contribute to helping him learn how to do it in the safest way possible.

If you are not happy with what Bluelight stands for or its rules then I am not sure why you contribute here rather than the "other place that actually has freedom" and can talk about all the other drug related issues. Here, its not just so much about punishment in this contry for use of drugs but because of what Bluelight exists for.

Do you think it is a lie that fentanyl is a very dangerous drug?

 

[El Barto]

Both webs i am refering has the same purpose: lowering harm. Well, maybe in teh spanish one there is another purpose: helping the people to grow their own drugs so the black market gets more little

Can you tell me where exactly in my posts i am not respecting the harm reduction prupose?

I can bet you are those kind of persons who enjoys arguing by the net: go on, the path is yours

Do you think it is a lie that fentanyl is a very dangerous drug?

It is a dangerous drug. You have completly miss my point

Do not glamourize a drug or say its not that dangerous.

Is it my english so bad? or you are reading with the wrong glasses? WTH incredible..as i said go on, im not anwsering you anymore

PS: if we have to suppose that people asking questions is like 14 yo, then no one would be here answering isnt it?

i am saying you: here is a cat, and you are talking me about elephants

I'm not talking bullshit when I say some very experienced members of BL have died from this drug

Do you really think you are the only person who knows people who has died because drugs?

ps: you remind me the "ban drugs" policy who has fxcked up the world, with thousands of users in jail. Did you know that when heroin was legal and sold in pharmacies there were less social problems with this drug? you probably dont

 

[missmeyet?]

Trust me, I have absolutely no desire to argue with you or anyone else. I think it must be the language barrier..because we are obviously not understanding each other.

Of course I don't think I am the only one who knows someone who has died from using fent...I don't understand why you are making that comment.

Matter of fact, I truly so do not wish to argue since that was not my intention that we will just leave well enough alone because seriously, we are not understanding each other and for this I apologize.

 

[El Barto]

ok so probably is the language barrier

in my posts i gave info to the OP about lowering harm when using fenta, specially if coming from codeine

the dying thing i said is because your phrase: trust me, i know people that has died etc..yeah i do too, not only from the web but also from my real life, and trust me is sad not to see this people more again. I would like those dead friends would have known the basic rule: never ever mix oppies with benzos, so maybe they would be here still

I am anwsering because you have changed the tone, so i dont see this now as an argue phrases but as an exchange phrases, as you said it was probably the language barrier

cheers

ps: i apologize too, from my side, from some bad words i used and for the tone, i didnt want to sound as an ass

 

[Tnich55]

"Now I need to see which pharmacy is willing to sell me those. "

You can just buy fentanyl patches in your country?

However awesome that would be, fentanyl with no tolerance is basically a terrible idea. Start small.. very small.

 

[flyhighk]

Tried a couple... No luck yet. Every pharmacy is different here. Some will ask for a prescription if you want some test, others will be happy to give it to you otc. Not really sure if I'll be able to get those. Anyways, I love my country for its corruption.

 

[tomatalli]

What country??