SpiralusSancti
Bluelighter
Beside booze what are some other that fit description? Even most other active alcohols don’t as far as I know. Is that due to some kind of booze-man co-evolution? Or is it easy enough to create other drug/foods? Design at least.
Ether has some caloric value too, due to being partly metablized to, ofc, ethanol.
When there’s any speak about ethanol alternatives, like alternative viable to really replace alcohol world wide I think all is cheap talk until two things ain’t realized. First being it can be produced by anyone by no more complex procedure but fermentation (or whatever bio-reaction) and distillation (or whatever easy to master extraction). Second thing I’m not sure how important but I suspect that it would need to be realized is that it’s like booze also a food. In times of famine and at some point in the future having drug that has caloric value is more important than it seems to people in the west. Having hundreds of liters of booze during famine did made lives in many nations in many points of history a lot easier. Would be cool if booze had b12 added to it as some propose to significantly cut down it’s damage. Beers with b vitamins and minerals actually don’t make a such a bad addition to a meal or even “a snack”. Same goes for a bit of some other quality drinks.
Back to the topic, I think caloric value of ethanol must have to do at least something to do with how appealing is it to most humans. If people get addicted do certain foods, and they do, getting addicted to a drug-food, and also enjoying it more than non-psychoactive foods seems perfectly logical. Things going other way too also seems pretty logical and I have a feeling that if that could be done, hypothetical 0 calories ethanol drinks would be chosen by less people than normal ethanol drinks. If test would be made so that drinks of similar taste, but some with 0 calorie ethanol and some with normal ethanol would be offered pretty soon most would chose ones with calories. Both cuz people evolved to seek caloric stuff (and same giving us a sort of pleasure) and cuz caloric ethanol likely has better effects and adds energetic component to high and makes more room before burn-out.
So what are some other drugs that have caloric value? I assume skillfull chemist could play around and create something like gluco-amphetamine of a sort so when it’s consumed it’s separated into some sugar and some amphetamine. But what would be really interesting is some molecule that is active by itself but also has caloric value. I feel that’ll be a property of a true alcohol replacement and not just potential alternative with similarish effects. I’m sure that molecule that is less similar in effects to alcohol than some stuff already in existence but will also have caloric value would more likely “cheat” the brain into thinking – hey, this is some great food-like drug and drug like food. And that being active compound itself and not mixture it’s put in could make a difference.
Another thing, is it possible to consume some enzymes and make some other drugs a food too? And what are best targets for modifying human DNA to be able to use them like food too? I’m pretty sure that can’t be done with GHB like drugs, but being able to metabolize such drug as a food source would automatically make it harder to OD on it. Maybe with enough use of some great drug we’ll evolve spontaneously to digest it like a food after a few million years of use.
Ether has some caloric value too, due to being partly metablized to, ofc, ethanol.
When there’s any speak about ethanol alternatives, like alternative viable to really replace alcohol world wide I think all is cheap talk until two things ain’t realized. First being it can be produced by anyone by no more complex procedure but fermentation (or whatever bio-reaction) and distillation (or whatever easy to master extraction). Second thing I’m not sure how important but I suspect that it would need to be realized is that it’s like booze also a food. In times of famine and at some point in the future having drug that has caloric value is more important than it seems to people in the west. Having hundreds of liters of booze during famine did made lives in many nations in many points of history a lot easier. Would be cool if booze had b12 added to it as some propose to significantly cut down it’s damage. Beers with b vitamins and minerals actually don’t make a such a bad addition to a meal or even “a snack”. Same goes for a bit of some other quality drinks.
Back to the topic, I think caloric value of ethanol must have to do at least something to do with how appealing is it to most humans. If people get addicted do certain foods, and they do, getting addicted to a drug-food, and also enjoying it more than non-psychoactive foods seems perfectly logical. Things going other way too also seems pretty logical and I have a feeling that if that could be done, hypothetical 0 calories ethanol drinks would be chosen by less people than normal ethanol drinks. If test would be made so that drinks of similar taste, but some with 0 calorie ethanol and some with normal ethanol would be offered pretty soon most would chose ones with calories. Both cuz people evolved to seek caloric stuff (and same giving us a sort of pleasure) and cuz caloric ethanol likely has better effects and adds energetic component to high and makes more room before burn-out.
So what are some other drugs that have caloric value? I assume skillfull chemist could play around and create something like gluco-amphetamine of a sort so when it’s consumed it’s separated into some sugar and some amphetamine. But what would be really interesting is some molecule that is active by itself but also has caloric value. I feel that’ll be a property of a true alcohol replacement and not just potential alternative with similarish effects. I’m sure that molecule that is less similar in effects to alcohol than some stuff already in existence but will also have caloric value would more likely “cheat” the brain into thinking – hey, this is some great food-like drug and drug like food. And that being active compound itself and not mixture it’s put in could make a difference.
Another thing, is it possible to consume some enzymes and make some other drugs a food too? And what are best targets for modifying human DNA to be able to use them like food too? I’m pretty sure that can’t be done with GHB like drugs, but being able to metabolize such drug as a food source would automatically make it harder to OD on it. Maybe with enough use of some great drug we’ll evolve spontaneously to digest it like a food after a few million years of use.
