Misc drugs/supplements for couple's therapy

[mabzie55]

Posted this in another section, and it has received no replies, so maybe ODers would know what I'm talking about, but:

I'm basically looking for any drugs or supplements that have empathetic effects similar to those used in drug couple's therapy.
I'd like to have this kind of experience with g/f, however we have no access to MDMA so that is out of the question.

So what are my other options here?
I've read that Phenibut has these types of effects but aside from that I'm at a loss. Not very knowledgeable about this class of drugs.

Any help would be much appreciated.

 

[keeping]

Personally I find that while empathogens break down barriers and make it easier to connect and share, they simultaneously distort emotions and the conversations therein (chatting sh*te, as a friend called it); lessening the therapeutic validity.

If you had to go for such a route, I would aim for a drug that isn't too euphoric, because that is when the hyperbolic element tends to rear its head. I couldn't help you there though man, because I like my empathogens as euphoric as I can get them.

Hope it all goes well with the gf.

*edit*
while searching for a topic on modafinil, I came across a thread on Phenibut. People seem to be comparing it to Benzos for its anxiolytic properties, whilst others say its closer to GBL. Not sure is that's any help to you mate, but I wouldn't take a benzo for couple therapy.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

What about a little opiate buzz?

 

[spacejunk]

Personally I find that while empathogens break down barriers and make it easier to connect and share, they simultaneously distort emotions and the conversations therein (chatting sh*te, as a friend called it); lessening the therapeutic validity.

If you had to go for such a route, I would aim for a drug that isn't too euphoric, because that is when the hyperbolic element tends to rear its head. I couldn't help you there though man, because I like my empathogens as euphoric as I can get them.

Hope it all goes well with the gf.

I agree with all of this.
I find that the artificial nature of the emotional response to MDMA (for example) negates any real emotional insight that I glean from the experience. I know a lot of people feel differently - but that's me.
I find the Empathogenic nature of certain classic psychedelics to be far more enlightening in a way that can be integrated into everyday life, especially if you get the dose right.
Personally I get some of the most tangible emotional growth from tryptamines, specifically psilocybe mushrooms.
While the early stages of the trip may be funny and silly (which can break the ice and lighten the mood) - it is when the trip levels out a bit that you can have amazingly insightful thoughts, observations and conversations.

Obviously psychedelics may be a real no-no if there is tension in your relationship - but with that in mind, if you take as much care of "set and setting" practicalities as you can, they can really be an amazing tool for learning and establishing (or re-establishing) a deep connection with someone.
Personally I don't think any drug comes close to the bonding experiences you can have on psychedelics.
You just need to be careful not to dose too high, as ego death ain't going to do much to connect you with the person sitting next to you...as you may forget who they - and you - are.

As with anything, these things are totally subjective, but I'm just relaying my experience.
All the best with whatever you guys end up doing...

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

OP:
Did you try posting this type of question in Sex Love and Relationships?

-HOOD

 

[tricomb]

I don't believe that using substances can save your marriage, no matter what substance. Could empathogen therapy break down communication barriers? Absolutely, but when the true problems of your relationship come out, there's no drug that's going to fix the underlying relationship issues. I definitely put zero faith in medicine to save a relationship.

Just my opinion.

 

[mabzie55]

What about a little opiate buzz?

Both recovering heroin addicts, so that wouldn't be wise.

 

[mabzie55]

I'll go more in depth here,

This relationship is not going to end if I don't get drugs.

I've just heard so much about these types for drugs helping people, and figured it may be something to try.

 

[EarthBounded]

Damiana and blue lotus tea.

 

[LSDiesel]

There are alternatives to MDMA that are pretty close *cough* 5-MAPB

 

[phatass]

High dose 25i-nbome worked wonders for my gf and i, the first time we tripped together brought us so much closer, and also helped her deal with anger issues she had that stemed from a rough childhood.

I am however rather/very eperienced with psychs, so could help "guide" our trip in the right direction, and explain the mechanism of a psychadelic trip so as to reassure her, allthough absolutely nothing went wrong at all (also 25i has empathogenic properties similar to MDMA imo, which helped nudge the trip in the right direction too)... it was a wonderfull beautifull trip.

However the n-bomes, especially 25i insufflated are/is dangerous, with reports of OD's leading to seizures and death for reasons that we don't fully understand yet. (So unfortunately i can't really recommend 25i for HR reasons...)

However, if you're experienced with psychs, maybe a combo of 2Cx (2C-C is a gentle one for example) combined with a bit of 4-FA, or a MDxx analogue (6-APB, 5-MAPB etc...) maybe would enable you to really open up to eachother, an strengthen your "connection" in ways that i can't describe with words. I would recommend 2Cx over LSD or shrooms, as i find them more "stable", less mood swings, etc...

So only try this if one or both of you are familiar and at ease with psychs...

Otherwise, as stated above, a MDxx analogue could help if you can't get the real deal, allthough, even with these if neither of you have tried any before, i oul recommend doing a LOT of research prior.

All the best!!!