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Drug Use and Being Normal?

CoffeeDrinker

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I was just wondering: Why does it seem like it takes more effort not to do drugs than to do them? It seems like it's normal to want to get fucked up and only a few hardcore religious people truly abstain from any intoxicant or mood alterer. Like even the Type-As who preach about their healthy lifestyle and run most offices/companies are doing something, even if it's just a caffeine habit.

The only other group of people I can think of are those who have battled their demons and moved on from their addiction and are truly sober. They have realized that what they were doing isn't the only way, but that realization necessarily came after an intense mental and physical(what's the difference?) struggle. A struggle that is probably similar to what religious people face when they try to overcome worldly temptation. IDK

This thought came about after a conversation between my druggie friends. What do non-druggies, "Normal People," do with themselves during the same hours that we are all getting ourselves fucked up? I think we ARE the normal, or average, people. It seems like the only other alternative is to fill your day up with activity of some kind, or just to sit around and watch TV sober.
I am curious about the opinions of all you guys on this subject.
 
i think humanity has used psychoactives since the beginning of time, and they have shaped our culture worldwide more than anyone wants to admit.

people who act all high up and point the finger at users are usually doing some kind of drug, as you say, and are therefore hypocrites.
 
Wouldn't doubt it man. Probably smoked some of that Cannabis growing all around. But yea most religions either came from people tripping on some kind of psychedelic or just plain insanity. Even some things in the bible its like "Alright, this guy was tripping on Mushrooms."


Haha I can totally see it. Martin Luther starving in a rainstorm in southern Germany, eats some of those dank ass mushrooms in the black forest. Having religious experiences and all that good stuff :).
 
Well I'm not so sure religions were all started under the influence.
Their founding fathers may well have been morally strong people who have battled their addictions and have grown spiritually. And so the advice to avoid drugs comes after their first-hand experience.

Buddha is one (assuming what Siddartha says is even remotely close to how is real life actually was). The life of Jesus being largely omitted in the Bible is interesting, I wonder what vices he might have had...
 
Fuck normal and fuck sober. Everyone struggles with and is scared shitless by their neuroses and have a hard time believing that they are too fucking weird to fit in with normal society. I the end though, most are able to pull it off by faking. Drug users as a whole are one of the few groups honest e-fucking-nough to admit how fucked up they are inside and move the fuck on with it.
 
^That's kind of what I'm getting at. Drug use IS normal due to the problems that everyone hides from one another. Even if it's not drug use it's something, bulimia for example.
 
In my opinion, the only PROBLEM with drug use is the insane amount of money society spends trying to rid society of drugs in the first place. If we were allowed to be free people and not controlled like children, society would be a much better place with fewer people in prison!
 
word. That is the truth.

To be honest I was going through withdrawals and just posting ridiculous amounts of posts back when I started this thread. I can see how I was kinda rambling when I posted. This idea seemed very important to me at the time.
 
Let's see... I'm a mentally ill transsexual meth addict.

Probably the furthest thing from "normal" that one can be! Not that I really care.
 
CoffeeDrinker said:
only a few hardcore religious people truly abstain from any intoxicant or mood alterer.
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This is a really interesting thread. Thanks for posting it. I'm looking forward to reading the responses. I've got to get somewhere right now, but I just wanted to respond to the above-quoted part of your post.

It's been widely documented that Christian fundamentalists and Mormons, in particular, have insanely high rates of diabetes. The average yearly consumption of sugar in the Mormon community is shockingly, and almost unbelievably, high. So they're still consuming mood-altering substances. It's a serious issue in that community.
 
artaxerxes said:
It's been widely documented that Christian fundamentalists and Mormons, in particular, have insanely high rates of diabetes. The average yearly consumption of sugar in the Mormon community is shockingly, and almost unbelievably, high. So they're still consuming mood-altering substances. It's a serious issue in that community.
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That's very interesting actually ... given the Mormon mantra of keeping ones body "pure" ... everyone's a hypocrite! Even me! :-)
 
artaxerxes said:
The average yearly consumption of sugar in the Mormon community is shockingly, and almost unbelievably, high. So they're still consuming mood-altering substances. It's a serious issue in that community.
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If you consider sugar a "mood-altering substance", couldn't you say all food is?
 
normal = boring... in my mind anyway haha

i always find it funny when someone u think is "normal" turns out to be into drugs, ie. ppl in the media, gov., sports, soccer moms. i guess its just cuz i find irony extremely funny lol

oh and to answer ur first question
Why does it seem like it takes more effort not to do drugs than to do them?
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its cuz sobriety sucks balls
 
People are constantly looking for ways to distract themselves from the fact that we have no idea what existence is nor do we really have any true reason to live. Drugs provide an excellent escape and allow people to often realize and connect on this issue. Other people fill their drug use with tv or religion or sports or whatever. Everyone has their "drug of choice" even if it isn't mind altering chemicals and yet as we all know everyone uses mind altering substances. Food alters your mind and mood just like any "drug" does.
 
When I say "Normal" I am talking about any human feeling or desire.
I believe that that vast majority of the feelings that we feel are experienced by at least millions of other people. So that no matter how "different" you view yourself the only real difference is perspective based on life experience, and even these experiences are more similar than many people realize. That's kinda what I mean by "being normal."
 
CoffeeDrinker said:
Well I'm not so sure religions were all started under the influence.
Their founding fathers may well have been morally strong people who have battled their addictions and have grown spiritually. And so the advice to avoid drugs comes after their first-hand experience.

Buddha is one (assuming what Siddartha says is even remotely close to how is real life actually was). The life of Jesus being largely omitted in the Bible is interesting, I wonder what vices he might have had...
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Fascinating stuff re: Buddha, but remember that he *quit* using as part of his quest for enlightenment.

As for Jesus Christ he certainly drank wine (which makes mandatory abstention from alcohol in some Protestant denominations seem odd); in fact, at the Wedding of Cana, when he turned water into wine, the guests had already drunken enough that they couldn't distinguish good wine from bad, so getting buzzed is okay in Christianity (though not when fasting etc.).

I doubt he used cannabis though. Also, I bet you know this, but for Christians Christ never sinned once, though he did experience temptation, and, for Catholics, Orthodox, and some Protestants, nor did his mother Mary, through the grace of God.

In terms of drug use and "normal" . . . I'm a pothead who maintains but that's not saying much I suppose. Nobody would probably think I'm a druggy except toward the end of the day when I've been high for 10+ hours and am getting very groggy and drunken with smoke.

I wouldn't call the religious hypocrites for frowning on drug use while drinking caffeine. Caffeine is a drug, technically, but it is in no way analogous to heroin, cocaine, or even marijuana. As for alcohol, weed and alcohol have vastly disparate effects, as you all know, and one could argue that, for whatever reason, the intoxication brought about by moderate amounts of alcohol is acceptable to God while the use of marijuana for anything but hemp is sinful.

Still I'm getting off track here lol.
 
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