Drug testing in DDU's - booting for dirty UAs?

[Tony Williams]

First I am adding this isn't about cheating the tests..... infact I wrote a dam storyof my recent past. Also in the title by booting I meant bye bye, kicking you, - For the Q Read Q at the bottom

Last year I was on 16mg Bupe and using alot of gear DAILY. Think some might remember my threads. I missed a medical review and was disallowed 2week holiday lucky I CT'ed (added gbl and diaz) for 2 day then started on just 4mg a day. Towards the end I had to CT for 3 day then homefree. I spent them days on 200mg diaz and just KOing myself.

My mum stillhad the tramadol - not mch but for plane home day 3x 50mg and the day before 2x 50mg. Couldn't get Codiene OTC in Tenefe (SPAIN) then I remembered summit about LOPADMIDE, day before we were due to leave I got some I think 20x 2mg (I SHOULD OF GOT MORE) I popped 'em and felt alot better. Sadly our bus to the AIRPORT was hours before the pharm. The 3 trams held me. Came home to 2x Oxys 80mg and I would imagine the high to of rocked but it was "ok". Anyway back on a script.... 8mg.daily

My doc said next time if I test bad I am out the door, sadly I did - I used pods I told him sadly I didn't know they'd still be in me, I explained PPT - he was "ok" with it and gave me another chance, the next two weeks was hard but I did it I tested clean I lost my friend alsso in them two weeks. Anyway I did slip up last week end (Sat spiked 2 hits) and Sun snorted some, Thursday afternoon I wish to pass.

Q
Right sorry for the banter - my Question was this.... if you have an addict who'se really improved but tests bad - what's the point in kicking them? I am using more bupe too ONTOP of my own hopin to numb the cravings - should I mention that? If I LOST my script I would be scoring any subs or meth I can and if not living on Heroin which would be aweful

 

[stardust.hero]

If this isn't a question on how to get around drug testing the question at hand is why make drug testing an issue if the addict at hand is moderating themselves in a positive manner even though while still using drugs?

I'm assuming you are seeing a suboxone doctor and this is the doctor that is testing you?

I would imagine the reason for testing users is just this:

I am using more bupe too ONTOP of my own hopin to numb the cravings - should I mention that?l

Why arn't you talking to your doctor about the amount of subuxone he is prescribing you not being high enough?

Why should your doctor trust you and continue to work with you using Suboxone if it's obvious that you are still going to come back dirty? It doesn't even make sense to me and I'm an addict. The purpose of him prescribing Suboxone to you is to stay clean and you continue to come back dirty. You can't have both worlds my friend, the DR is not the one at fault.

You either need to talk to him and explain that the dosage he is prescribing is not taking away the hunger enough or just to continue your charade and he will continue to test you and eventually boot you.

 

[cj]

I thinkits crazy for an addiction specialist to drop you over a relapse. Would an oncologist drop a cancer patient for not responding to chemotherapy? I think its unethical. If you do get dropped just find another doc there are fuck tons of them around. Or make the jump to methadone if thats what you wanna do.

 

[Tony Williams]

Hi guys I've a new thread. In answer I've passed all tested till next time ( read new: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/670854-Rant-DDUSs-Gotta-make-another-jump-back-to-Bupe)

Crimson: Sadly THIS is the ONLY DDU I can goto in THE UK. UNless I MOVE somewhere else. In the US Id fire him and get a new one right away.

as to Star dust I think I will maybe. He should usally ook with bupe when I was on methadone I was at 40mg and shooting only using60-70mg worked I spent too long fucking about for them to raise me. thats how I got into benzos. 1-2yr ago, I tested neg everytime they were fine back then but I mentioned a raise. It's like they think theres a buzz from it and I KNOW thats ONE reason peope do this shit,

 

[RedLeader]

: puts tin foil hat on :

Suboxone doctors typically are only allowed a given number of patients. To maximise their profits, they want patients that come to all appointments and remain addicted to their drug. When they see you testing dirty, they see you as a likely candidate to go AWOL (jail, using, death, etc) and will gladly replace you with a fresh patient who will always be back. Or its because they are trying to do whatever it takes to reduce a crazy parent coming after them if something goes wrong. I personally only think they should drop you if you miss visits.

Suboxone is big business, and their actual care for addicts will be limited to hollow words and literature. You get yourself off drugs, they just try and help it be more efficient.

 

[Biohazardess]

Methadone isnt something i would ever recommend too anyone. One day you are supposed to stop taking it, theoretically and im sorry but in my experience tapering off of methadone doesnt make the withdrawals nonexistent by any means. Ive never been on bupe but im a heroin addict first and foremost and was on methadone (maxed out at 140mg/day) for 2 years.. Id come off heroin cold turkey ANY DAY before id taper off of methadone...
At the clinic i went to theyd switch you over from dones to bupe for a couple month taper when you were ready to let go of your maintenance therapy methadone doses... My understanding is that bupe doesnt get you high and i was told that suboxone would eliminate the majority of withdrawal symptoms and thats the reason for substituting it for the dones. ??? Is that not rigt? Do you have to kick for a while if bupe is all you do?

 

[RedLeader]

^ The problem with switching from methadone to Suboxone is that as methadone has a half-life that can be hard to determine on an individual basis (20h for one person, 50 for the next), you have to wait a long time (multiple days) after your last methadone dose before you induct the Suboxone to avoid precipitated withdrawl (happens when the buprenorphine in Suboxone comes across receptors still containing the other drug, and the higher binding affinity of the bupe compared to other painkillers means that it will force the other drug away and you WD hard for a few hours before relief sets in). I am sure you can guess that not a lot of people are excited about waiting that long to be safe. People go the methadone -> heroin -> Suboxone route to avoid this sometimes, but that can be counter-productive.

As well, you gotta get down to around 30mg before doctors will even let you switch. Some people can taper done way faster than others. Would getting that low take you weeks, months, years?

Does Suboxone stop WDs? Absolutely. But it only stops the metal obsession for some. Are you reallyrady to put in the effort needed to get clean for good? Tapering methadone, switching to sub and then tapering that is a long road of hard work, but can be done with a true desire to put opiates behind you and live free.

As for sub WD, it would be minimal after 10 days, noticeable but manageable after a few weeks, and would start to get hairy after a month. But compared to methadone, slow tapers on Sub are a stroll in the park.