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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Kratom Dr Chris McCurdy leads a panel on banning 7-OHM 8 days ago

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Great—these people (though I respect Dr. McCurdy he is wrong about some no this) don’t understand that the black market will surge if made illegal. It’s not too hard to make extracts and maybe harder for 7-OHM but idk. So banning extracts and 7OHM will likely just expand the war on drugs…
 
What's the logic with banning 7-hydroxymitragynine when tianeptine, a far more addictive, fully synthetic, full MOR agonist, is legal in most states, freely sold in gas stations, smoke shops etc?

7-hydroxymitragynine could actually hold promise in helping the vast numbers of fentanyl addicts switch from fent to kratom, because for those users, kratom just isn't strong enough.

I remember being in opioid withdrawal, I forget from what exactly, but my tolerance was very high, and I recall large doses of kratom providing zero relief -- in fact quite the opposite, I felt worse because all I felt were the side-effects. My tolerance was way too high for plain leaf to do anything. I also tried kratom extracts, but same thing. When you're shooting grams of tar heroin everyday (or whatever i was taking), kratom is hopeless. I bet a bunch of 7-OHM would have provided some relief. It would have been very expensive since I'm sure I'd need something in the 100mg range to get fairly short lived relief, so if it was smokeshop price retail 7-OHM, it might cost $200 a day (maybe more) but after a few days I could transition to say OPMS black shots, and then finally to plain leaf.

Banning opioids that are of a low risk to health makes zero sense when a monster opioid (fentanyl) is on the lose, killing widely and indiscriminately.

I mean, of the recent additions of deceased bluelight members added to the shrine, how many have been fentanyl related?

7-OHM banned while tianeptine is still being sold in smoke shops makes zero sense.
 
negrogesic said:
What's the logic with banning 7-hydroxymitragynine when tianeptine, a far more addictive, fully synthetic, full MOR agonist, is legal in most states in gas stations, smoke shops etc?

7-hydroxymitragynine could actually hold promise in helping the vast numbers of fentanyl addicts switch from fent to kratom, because for those users, kratom just isn't strong enough.

I remember being in opioid withdrawal, I forget from what exactly, but my tolerance was very high, and I recall large doses of kratom providing zero relief -- in fact quite the opposite, I felt worse because all I felt were the side-effects. My tolerance was way to high for plain leaf to do anything. I also tried kratom extracts, but same thing. When you're shooting grams of tar heroin everyday, kratom is hopeless. I bet a bunch of 7-OHM would have provided some relief. It. would have been very expensive since I'm sure I'd something in the 100mg range to get fairly short lived relief, so if it was smokeshop price retail 7-OHM, it might cost $200 a day (maybe more) but after a few days I could transition to say OPMS black shots, and then finally to plain leaf.

Banning opioids that are of a low risk to health makes zero sense when a monster opioid is on the lose, killing indiscriminately.

I mean, of the recent additions of deceased bluelight members added to the shrine, how many have been fentanyl related?

7-OHM banned while tianeptine is still being sold in smoke shops makes zero sense.
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Yeah- I am very much against banning it and also found it odd he didn’t mention how much mit gets converted to 7-OHM but then again is pure 7-OHM getting converted to mitragynine psuedindoxil or however you spell it (low battery or I’d google)?

Either way I’m against banning it and found it bias but he has research grants to keep incoming so I’m sure he’s being influenced and isn’t purely unbiased but I will say he has some Kratom some justice by being one of the leading voices NIDA listens to and the FDA about kratom and suggested they don’t ban kratom as a leaf several years ago.
 
Seems incredibly dubious to have the people getting rich by selling the shit making pro-drug arguments. Blatant conflict of interest.

It's not weed....
 
I'm surprised it took this long. I was expecting this 2-3 years ago AT THE LATEST. By that I mean a full ban of Kratom, not just this analog.

I met my first Kratom addict in Boston ~7 years ago. He was busking downtown with a guitar and he would use a spoon to eat gulps of this green powder out of a zip lock bag. Heroin was still around then. This kid told me the Kratom allowed him to stay away from Heroin, though he admitted needing a shitload of it. I had heard of Kratom for the first time on BL a few years prior.

We know Miragynine is essentially an Opioid. Maybe it does other things, maybe not. We know it has Opioid activity. Frankly, you don't really need to know more than that if you ask me. I do not buy that it is mystically different and therefore benign compared to every other Opioid ever. I respect others' views. I could be wrong. I'm not a scientist, just a junkie with a computer.

To clarify, benign in this context is in reference to the harms caused by addiction to ones' life, not specifically to Opioids which are essentially non-toxic in most cases.

I'm surprised. There is a whole industry, a community of users, reddit boards all dedicated to this Opioidergic Plant. Typically, when things get this big, a scare is raised faster.

I agree that it sucks. However, it's not any different than anything we have ever seen before. Our government would rather let the Fentanyl addicts commit mass suicide year after year instead of employing more radical schemes.

I know I'm rambling here. This thread has suddenly made it real to me that we are all totally fucked if Trump gets reelected. We are in a bad economy and there are plenty of people who are just plain sick of dealing with junkies. A lot of people I talk to, even the "sympathetic" ones really are just exhausted. They are tired of needles. Tired of crime.

I'm afraid that things could turn in a bad direction for the drug using community. It really is frightening. I could be wrong, but the vibes I get from the public are not positive.
 
Also, I'd just like to point out that I believe 7ohmz as a company is now producing pseudoindoxyl as well, which is considerably more of a social threat than 7-OH. However, it seems they are trying to hide this fact. It comes out of the same exact press, same exact filler but with a slightly different food coloring... except they do not put their typical stamp on it, it's markless, and they don't label it with their brand or anything.

They know it's wrong, but don't want to associate their company name with it.


... on another note, I just checked my usual vendor of kratom extracts and the semi-synth alkaloids. Not just a few months ago, there was only 1 producer making, packaging, and selling 7-OH for basic consumer access. Now, on that site, I see 15 different brands selling 7-OH pills..... using druggie buzzwords like "double stacks" and shit...

This will definitely get more out of control before it either gets inevitably regulated or banned.
 
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