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(DPT, DMT, and Syrian Rue) - New Combination - I Met Them, And They're Real.

TheAppleCore

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Aha! I got exactly what I was looking for.

After my transformation was completed by 4-AcO-DPT, I had refined my intentions. No longer did I seek states of ecstasy - nothing is to be gained by such a pursuit. Now, I simply sought knowledge. Information. Specifically, I wanted to know more about the stuff which makes everything - the thread by which everything is woven. Philosophical questions poked me, that is.

And so, in a very calculated manner, I first drank Syrian Rue cold tea. A half hour later, I sniffed fifteen milligrams of DPT. I knew that the addition of an MAOI to DMT made it more memorable and comprehensible. I also knew that blasting off into DMT hyperspace was much more effective when departure was made from a suitable launch pad - a threshold dosage of DMT worked in the past, but I surmised that DPT would do just as well, and I was feeling experimental.

Then, in the pitch black, I drew DMT from my Vapor Genie. And, equally to my shock as my delight, there they were. The fabled DMT beings. The elves, the aliens, call them what you like. In addition, exactly like McKenna and others reported, they were trying to show me things! They held out their cupped hands, in which there were completely incomprehensible doo-hickeys. I was really, earnestly curious to find out more about these thingies for a number of reasons, not the least of which was the fact that the beings themselves seemed to hold them in such high regard. There were numerous thingies, and I can't possibly recall half of them, but the most memorable were:

- Something resembling strands of DNA?
- A hand of cards, which was artfully fanned out before me.
- Something symbolizing the somethingness of nothing - an object which only existed because it was a cut-out from some stuff which pervaded all empty space, like the paper from which some shape was cut.

And, I can only conclude that these beings are real.

What? Is reality, which encompasses the human being, not strange enough to permit the existence of some other completely novel form of intelligence? I mean, think about it. Need you more proof than the damned bowl of cereal you eat for breakfast that the world is an endless mystery?

So there it is. My hypothesis is that some distant life form has been around longer than we have, and has had time to at least begin to develop a technology which takes advantage of quantum entanglement or something similar to span the vast distances between us. If we take the time to analyze these messages more thoroughly, we will discover their language, which will enable us to communicate so, so much more than spooky fans of cards and ponies with one eyeball.

Hush. There isn't any good reason to believe that they don't exist - even if we're wrong, at least we had fun exploring the possibility. The cool kids like to imagine.

This trip was a good reminder of a lesson that I'd learned numerous times in the past - psychedelics are not about brutalizing your ego with sheer dosage. My most eye-opening trip to date was achieved with what was actually a rather modest dose, considering the result I got. I had temporarily forgotten this lesson this evening, and was absolutely courageously bound and determined to shatter my ego as forcefully as I possibly could, barring all fear.

But, as I was vaporizing the DMT, and reached a certain point, I hit a fucking brick wall. Try as I might, brave as I was, it was completely impossible to get any higher, simply for the sheer force of the unimaginable pain that would greet me if I went any further. I knew, believe me I KNEW! how horrible it was to intake excessive DMT. A pain that, I'm guessing, rivals the most imaginative forms of torture. A pain that I am, to this day, shocked that I endured without any lasting psychological damage.

So, I stopped before I had planned to stop. And there it was that I met something that quenched my thirst for imagination more than I could have hoped. Now I'm really, REALLY intrigued. I can tell - I've got a lifetime's worth of exploration beckoning my curiosity deeper still.

P.S. I was absolutely NOT expecting this to occur, unlike the implication that my opening sentence might give. I had practically forgotten about the preexisting theory of alien intelligence opening up through DMT use.
 
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Heh, thanks man!


Some full-on Terence McKenna style nutty speculation that I posted in the DMT-Nexus:

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One of the gifts that the beings presented me was clearly a butterfly wing. It makes sense that the hypothetical distant life forms are taking advantage of the butterfly effect to signal us during DMT flashes. If distant life forms could signal us from billions of light years away, why wouldn't they simply hijack cable television, or something similar? Why would they need to specifically contact us through states of DMT intoxication?

Well, perhaps this can be explained by the highly sensitized and chaotic nature of the brain on DMT. Think about the fractal, as in recursive, nature of psychedelic visuals in general - a tendency toward recursion will make any system highly sensitive to the slightest change of initial conditions, because those initial conditions will be factored into the evolution of the system again and again and again. That's what a fractal is: taking something very simple and building it into itself again and again until it's infinitely huge and complex! And, this is also the essence of the butterfly effect, wherein a very sensitive system develops something initially subtle into something much more significant.

So, assuming the ability to remotely manipulate matter or energy here on Earth from billions of light years away is very, very feeble, the alien technology needs to create an image in a system that exhibits the butterfly effect, to magnify a signal that would otherwise go unnoticed. A DMT-affected brain is the perfect choice, because of the aforementioned chaotically recursive nature, plus the colorful detailed visuals are a perfect medium for communication, like a high-resolution television is the perfect medium for displaying video.

It also makes sense to me that crop circles could possibly be another example of the same phenomenon - distant technology taking advantage of the butterfly effect to turn an incredibly weak manipulation into a weather pattern that is engineered to etch specific symbols into crop fields. In fact, weather patterns are the first and foremost means of illustrating the butterfly effect!
 
Nice report... though it would be interesting to mention general specifics such as dosage and timing and durations... for the general public that is, in case others are just as curious as you are....


cheers!
 
thanks for the write up :)

I've thought about trying this too, except I'd be using moclobemide instead of syrian rue.

I'm wondering, how strong was 15 mg DPT on a MAOI? Were you just being carefull, or could you easily have doubled that?

And would you say that it's true, that a MAOI slows the DMT experience down?
 
Your reports are great, keep em coming!

We're already achieving communications based on quantum entanglement (albeit on a single particle level, not instant communications just yet!), you could say that if the DMT-elves (if they exist, would be lovely though) communicate from such a distance they might use that, or something similar. How we'd receive that information is anyone's guess though, it's not like you can automagically entangle 2 particles with each other from great distances, they have to interact physically.

I'm guessing it has more to do with this universal connectivity people experience on LSD, the experience of "god" that a lot of psychedelic users talk about, if they communicate. Everything originates from the same (hypothetical) object of mass from right before the big bang, there could be something that links to that, I'm sure there's something that does connect us, and they're using that. It's not that science excludes this connection just yet.

BTW, watch out for this taking over your life. Terrence McKenna stopped using DMT and LSD at some point, and the Mushrooms at a later point (because of a terrifying experience), and probably for good reason. You don't want to find yourself in that position. Your dosages are a bit saner than his though.
 
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Nice report... though it would be interesting to mention general specifics such as dosage and timing and durations... for the general public that is, in case others are just as curious as you are....


cheers!

Dosage of Syrian Rue was 2 grams, steeped in cold water (with a hint of lime juice) for a couple hours. @ T + 0:30, 15 mg DPT HCl intranasally. @ T + 1:00, maybe 20 milligrams DMT freebase vaporized. I vaporized the DMT slowly over the course of about five or ten minutes, maintaining a steady immersion in hyperspace.

I'm wondering, how strong was 15 mg DPT on a MAOI? Were you just being carefull, or could you easily have doubled that?

I was aiming for a fairly mild dose, because I wanted the bulk of the experience to come from DMT, but it was quite a bit more intense than I expected it to be. If I'd taken 30 mg of DPT, I would've been tripping way too hard to even think about smoking DMT.

And would you say that it's true, that a MAOI slows the DMT experience down?

Yep. :)
 
Fantastic report, thanks so much for that, trying to describe the tykes and what they are doing is always really tough and you had a real good stab at it here, look forward to reading more from you.

safe travelling.
 
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