Doing an M1T cycle and need professional advice!

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Whats up guys and thank you for your interest in my post.

I do realize there are lots of M1T threads plus tons of posts in the history but I have a lot of questions which are specific to me and would like answered by users with more experience so please dont shut my thread down...

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I purchased a bottle of "ThermoLabs Xtreme M1T" about a month ago under the table at my local muscle shop for $110 CDN, the owner told me I would see great gains for the summer (as this is my goal).

Though im not a complete noob when it comes to steroids or prohormones my knowledge is quite basic, I do understand the importance of proper diet and nutrition, pct, and of course everybody has to do their research.

Thing is when the guy sold them to me he insisted that they are a fairly safe steroid, he even told me not to buy milk thistle and directed me to take it 2 weeks on 2 weeks off alternating from M1T to Tribulus... He said I may get some mild testicular shrinkage which is easily reversible after my body recovers and said the liver damage will be minimal as long as im drinking lots of water and dont continue taking steroids once the bottle of M1T is finished...

However now that I am doing some research on the side a lot of users seem to be convinced that M1T is much more harmful then the owner led me to believe, he didn't mention anything about PCT nor did he mention any of the bad side effects...

I've been taking the M1T for the past 10 days, i've noticed a lot more strength and endurance and im 8lbs heavier on the scale so far (also taking ISO Mass, Superpump250, and multi-vits everyday as well as a solid 5 meals)...

I dont have anything planned for PCT as the owner (who I put my trust in and deemed a credible source of knowledge) didn't mention anything about it and said I should be fine, to be honest with you guys im a little worried and am considering stopping the cycle and I would like to know your opinions..

Should I stop taking the M1T and just continue to take the Tribulus to try to reverse any serious damage that has already been done?

Or should I just say fuck it and finish the cycle as its only one cycle and im a young healthy 25yr old who will most likely be able to suppress most side effects and overcome any problems down the road?

Im also worried about my natural test production after im done the cycle, will I be fucked for life or will my ability to product testosterone eventually come back after my body recovers from the M1T's?

Thanks for the help in advance you guys are the best and im glad I have a discreet and well-informed environment to seek advice!

Cheers! :\
 
Dude the guy who sold it to you is a dumb retarded fuck, no offense. I've been cycling for 7 years and have been a member on steroid.com since 2006. I know my shit when it comes to cycling. He's extremely naive and has just jeapordized the shit out of your health by not being informed about M1T.

First, M1T is more hepatoxic to the liver than dbol. YES you need/should take milk thistle. And you should ALSO take NAC which is just as important as milk thistle. Take it the entire time you're on, and for 3-4 weeks afterwards, as well as drinking lots of water. I've had my liver values tested on M1T and it fucks with my liver farrr more than d-bol, winny or any black market steroids.

Your liver however is not my main concern. Its that you're not taking a PCT. That is horrible. I'm telling you people who do not research this shit often DO fuck their bodies up for life and wind up going on TRT due to mistakes like not taking PCT.

M1T is KNOWN to convert into high amounts to estrogen. Its is VERY VERY capable of inducing gyno. Anytime I take even with a pct, my nipples still get sore and puffy, w/out pct I'd absolutely have bitch tits by now. Thats a $3000-$4000 surgery that you do not want to get, my brother had to get it by not taking a PCT with superdrol. M1T is much worse in terms of estrogen than superdrol.

Now what makes your cycle completely pointless. PCT serves an extremely important function besides preventing side effects like gyno. M1T is going to shut you down HARD when you get off it. No more boners, no sex drive, no energy, fatigue, loss of energy, catabolism etc. I'm telling you I've delt with it, you feel good and strong now but w/out a PCT when you drop off the M1T your body is going to be fucked and you will very very likely lose the majority of your gains.

PCT forces your body to start producing testosterone again. You absolutely need a PCT with M1T. Things like letro/arimidex would be ideal to take while on M1T to prevent estrogen conversion while on it. Then you would want nolvadex (not the crap they sell in the stores called "novadex", you want the shit that places like ctdresearch.net sells) after the cycle for 4 weeks. Ideally 40mg a day.

If you do not have the money to get a PCT, I 100% advocate "tapering" off your cycle immediately. Then go smack that guy in the fucking face for risking your health like he did. I can't believe how uninformed some people are. M1T is not to be taken lightly. I had bigger gains on it than I do with d-bol for christsake. But I do not take the shit anymore because its poison. Would much rather do injectable test with orals that have trusted side effect profiles. M1T does not.

So like I said, taper off if you're not going to do PCT and do it now. If your nipples swell up at any point you absolutely NEED to get letro/nolva even if you've stopped it. It takes time for gyno to develop so don't freak if it happens, you will still be able to battle it. If your nipples get itchy/sensitive at any point thats a sign they're taking on fat deposits from elevated estrogen and a sign you need to do something immediately. Do not mess around with your body like this and please in the future research this stuff.

G/luck! - Bo
 
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Thank you so much bro for the quick and very informative reply!

How much would a proper PCT for M1T cost? I may be able to afford it and I may not!

And if I do stop taking the M1T altogether what kind of side effects (if any) will I be subjected to and what do I need to do to minimize these and ensure my natural testosterone will continue to be produced?

I am now quite concerned.. Im definitely going back to the owner and letting him know whats up, in the meantime I would like to thank you very much for your noble advice and quite possibly saving my health!

Cheers!
 
2 weeks of M1T at 20mg and no PCT is crazy. As you have probably figured by now, it is an extremely harsh steroid. The right thing you should do now is to stay on the M1T (maybe drop the dose to 10mg) till you get your hands on a SERM (taxomifen, clomiphene...) but for no more than 3 weeks. So, you have at most 8 days to get some SERMs. They will cost less than your bottle of M1T. The price should not matter though - the worst case scenario if you dont use a them is a nice pair of tits and the hormonal balance of a 11 year old girl. Ideally you should also get blood work done (testosterone, E2, lipids and liver mainly) before and after your PCT.
Its crazy that you were just handed a bottle of M1T like that and with that advise. Alternating 2 weeks on and off - WTF? I'm pretty sure you'd be fucked for life within a couple of months if you did that. Tribulus and milk thistle, lol
Anyway proper PCT for your 2-3 week M1T cycle would be something like 4 weeks of tamoxifene (30/20/20/20). Blood work before and after will help you gauge recovery. I would not mess with running an AI in reverse for this cycle but you really should have had one on hand before the M1T. As the other poster said it readily aromatizes and that maybe a problem you will have to deal with in the next few days. Be prepared to lose of lot of the weight you gained. M1T was a bad choice for keepable gains.
 
Bojangles69 said:
Dude the guy who sold it to you is a dumb retarded fuck, no offense. I've been cycling for 7 years and have been a member on steroid.com since 2006. I know my shit when it comes to cycling. He's extremely naive and has just jeapordized the shit out of your health by not being informed about M1T.

First, M1T is more hepatoxic to the liver than dbol. YES you need/should take milk thistle. And you should ALSO take NAC which is just as important as milk thistle. Take it the entire time you're on, and for 3-4 weeks afterwards, as well as drinking lots of water. I've had my liver values tested on M1T and it fucks with my liver farrr more than d-bol, winny or any black market steroids.

Your liver however is not my main concern. Its that you're not taking a PCT. That is horrible. I'm telling you people who do not research this shit often DO fuck their bodies up for life and wind up going on TRT due to mistakes like not taking PCT.

M1T is KNOWN to convert into high amounts to estrogen. Its is VERY VERY capable of inducing gyno. Anytime I take even with a pct, my nipples still get sore and puffy, w/out pct I'd absolutely have bitch tits by now. Thats a $3000-$4000 surgery that you do not want to get, my brother had to get it by not taking a PCT with superdrol. M1T is much worse in terms of estrogen than superdrol.

Now what makes your cycle completely pointless. PCT serves an extremely important function besides preventing side effects like gyno. M1T is going to shut you down HARD when you get off it. No more boners, no sex drive, no energy, fatigue, loss of energy, catabolism etc. I'm telling you I've delt with it, you feel good and strong now but w/out a PCT when you drop off the M1T your body is going to be fucked and you will very very likely lose the majority of your gains.

PCT forces your body to start producing testosterone again. You absolutely need a PCT with M1T. Things like letro/arimidex would be ideal to take while on M1T to prevent estrogen conversion while on it. Then you would want nolvadex (not the crap they sell in the stores called "novadex", you want the shit that places like ctdresearch.net sells) after the cycle for 4 weeks. Ideally 40mg a day.

If you do not have the money to get a PCT, I 100% advocate "tapering" off your cycle immediately. Then go smack that guy in the fucking face for risking your health like he did. I can't believe how uninformed some people are. M1T is not to be taken lightly. I had bigger gains on it than I do with d-bol for christsake. But I do not take the shit anymore because its poison. Would much rather do injectable test with orals that have trusted side effect profiles. M1T does not.

So like I said, taper off if you're not going to do PCT and do it now. If your nipples swell up at any point you absolutely NEED to get letro/nolva even if you've stopped it. It takes time for gyno to develop so don't freak if it happens, you will still be able to battle it. If your nipples get itchy/sensitive at any point thats a sign they're taking on fat deposits from elevated estrogen and a sign you need to do something immediately. Do not mess around with your body like this and please in the future research this stuff.

G/luck! - Bo
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nolvadex is trash...replace it with 4 weeks of clomid therapy and add some d-aspartic acid
 
Ok well I stopped taking the M1T I sold the bottle to my neighbour (dont worry, I informed him of the risks and told him to do his research before he uses it and he doesn't intend to use them until he is 100% sure of how he should do his cycle and PCT and all that good stuff), I am now taking Milk Thistle as well as the Tribulus in effort to keep my natural test levels up and keep my liver functioning..

In total I took the M1T for about 10 days and for the last two days I only took 10mgs a day, so a total of 16 pills... So what should I do now? My finances aren't that great and I am not able to afford something very expensive, but will comprimise if I must.. Thanks for all the help guys!
 
I love M1T. That stuff puts on lean mass like a motherfucker and makes you strong as fuck. The only downside is that it's a toxic chemical with the side effect being extreme muscle growth lol. It can leave you feeling tired and kill your appetite. Two weeks maximum is the limit you can run this stuff. The only way to run it longer would be with prescription liver medication, but that would only buy you another 2 weeks, and you would still be risking damage. Your bile ducts will be flowing but the liver will still be inflamed. Kickstart a cycle with M1T and if you can tolerate the side effects you will want to kickstart every cycle with M1T. It blows Dianabol out of the fucking water along with Anadrol.

M1T will shut you down hard, and I mean hard. A day or two on 10mg and you stop producing Testosterone. Anybody who runs this stuff by itself is an idiot because they will probably spend more time sitting around feeling fatigued than actually working out.
 
Yeah M1T is def rough, i ran it twice 2 weeks on M1T, 2 weeks on Novaphin and repeated and pct'd with the novaphin, used milk thistle the whole time and was eating like a madman and had awesome gains, it is really hard to keep the gains afterwards, part of my diet was eating 5 eggs a day..... and now long story short i just recovered from my surgery of having my gall bladder removed, i contribute it to altering my test levels, its said to effect your gall bladder, and also the high cholesterol from the eggs, so yeah unless your competing at a professional level and really really need some solid gains really fast just stay away and earn it naturally and then you keep ALL gains!!!
 
How would M1T be able to aromatize because it is a dihydrotestosterone analog that is saturated across the C3-C4 position.

How are you able to ascertain that M1T is more hepatotoxic than dbol, is it just uniformly dose dependent based on the compounds potency?
 
Smyth2 said:
How would M1T be able to aromatize because it is a dihydrotestosterone analog that is saturated across the C3-C4 position.

How are you able to ascertain that M1T is more hepatotoxic than dbol, is it just uniformly dose dependent based on the compounds potency?
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I agree that Methyl 1-Test shouldn't aromatise itself. It could still cause increased aromatase activity and oestrogen output though.

I'm can't remember seeing any rodent studies comparing M1T to dbol, but I do remember people claiming blood tests had shown a more deleterious effect with M1T. Who knows? Most people feel far more lousy on M1T, which could be a sign of more significant hepatotoxicity.
 
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