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Kratom Does quality really matter that much?

Juicewrldfan

Juicewrldfan

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Now I know this seems kind of like a stupid question but I was just thinking with how cheap Kratom is, does it really make a big difference where it was grown and harvested, etc

The reason I say this is because I just wonder if you can just increase your dose with lower quality?

Just I spend All this time trying the hottest vendor out and their hottest product and I want to say that they do feel different but idk if that’s just placebo.

Thoughts on your experience?
 
I keep getting the same strain from the same vendor.
Once in a while I've been forced to take a different strain from different vendors. Every time Ive done it my head hurts and the buzz feels dirty.
Therefore I think there is something different between batches and suppliers.

Also, 2 ppl I know that we're only taking kratom took a drug test and came up positive for suboxone.
 
While I do agree that purity matters but what I’m speaking to is does having the most “potent” kratom really matter when I speak of quality that’s what I meant. Sorry about the mixup.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Alkaloid balance matters. Also some Kratom has tested positive for high levels of heavy metals
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Yeah I was going to ask the same thing almost. Was just going to ask that’s interesting because it could make sense and some vendors show the top 5 alkaloids content or something like that so
Was wondering if you actually look at labs to see how they are balanced before you buy and if so any suggestions for fast strains I’d be happy to hear!
 
chippermonk said:
How do you know whether the alkaloids are balanced or if it's safe for heavy metals? Is there some certified testing lab? And how do you want your alkaloids balanced?
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I actually don't know the optimal balance nor what alkaloids do what behaviorally, but I do know that the high purity mitragynine extracts don't impart the same sort of energy as what's sold as whites that are high quality. This area is extremely under researched in the literature, most researchers focus on mitragynine and 7-HO

Juicewrldfan said:
Yeah I was going to ask the same thing almost. Was just going to ask that’s interesting because it could make sense and some vendors show the top 5 alkaloids content or something like that so
Was wondering if you actually look at labs to see how they are balanced before you buy and if so any suggestions for fast strains I’d be happy to hear!
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I have a hard time trust lab reports most of the time but there are some vendors that provide batch numbers and batch testing. I think those guys are the ones who might be most reliable but that's really just speculation without independent verification
 
I look at the list of products these places sell, they'll have like 18 varieties, all with what seem like pretty vague descriptions of what they do (veins?). By the time I would be able to work through the 18th one in order to rate which ones I would like best, I will have forgotten what the first half a dozen even felt like, relative to the others. Plus, I figure different harvests, different times of year, different places with different soils will make it quite variable. Not to mention where my head was at on a particular day. It's frustrating.
The alkaloid balance is an interesting thing, because essentially you must be getting varying mixes of psychoactive alkaloids, each with it's own effect, rather than one single active chemical like you might with say a pharm drug...of course if instead we were talking about a supposedly mono-chemical drug that the cartels made or a dealer cut, we certainly would get a lot of variability of substances affecting the high, too.
TLDR: It's complicated!
 
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chippermonk said:
I look at the list of products these places sell, they'll have like 18 varieties, all with what seem like pretty vague descriptions of what they do (veins?). By the time I would be able to work through the 18th one in order to rate which ones I would like best, I will have forgotten what the first half a dozen even felt like, relative to the others. Plus, I figure different harvests, different times of year, different places with different soils will make it quite variable. Not to mention where my head was at on a particular day. It's frustrating.
The alkaloid balance is an interesting thing, because essentially you must be getting varying mixes of psychoactive alkaloids, each with it's own effect, rather than one single active chemical like you might with say a pharm drug...of course if it's a drug the cartels made or a dealer cut, you certainly will get a lot of variability of substances affecting the high, too.
TLDR: It's complicated!
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Yeah. I agree. The alkaloid content makes it almost like a stacked drug ( i.e. suboxone is a stacked drug).

So perhaps it’s the specific content of each alkaloid interacting like I’ve heard.

Dr. Chris McCurdy who is dare I say the leading kratom researcher in America said that he didn’t see any differences between colors but that there has to be something they are not seeing because they clearly do make a difference. That’s a summary of what he said by the way.
 
2 cent's ime. Importing it from a native seller, a domestic online vendor or a headshop mattter's. The strenght goes down.

As most strains are grown in Indonesia (ao Borneo). Be it Malay or Thai, just for legal reason's. You'll have to dig for a vendor that put's enviroment and people before money.
 
Yeah - I had to do a lot of research and several companies before I found the one I have now. Pretty sure it’s safe to say some of the best not enhanced kratom I’ve had.
 
Quality does matter... but it's not going to turn kratom into something it isn't, right?

I have thrown kilos of kratom away because it was very poor quality.

When you're taking kratom daily for long periods it is very important to reduce the amount of side effects and negative health impacts.

Extremely poor quality kratom feels toxic. They cut it with all sorts of random shit. They grow it in unsuitable soil contaminated with heavy metals. The poor farmers have no incentive to make sure the product is totally safe.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Or the other way around, direct from the source is cheapest. And ime the best quality, if you have a good seller. Preferably, how to check this? intuition. Growing the Kratom in a area free of polution.
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Many factors play a role I guess.
We are all rolling the dice on orders.
Cheap is expensive: Buy a set of cheap tires and they may last 1/3 of the time decent ones do. Buy again.
Kratom... gotta use more.
Oh, wait.
I see what's being discussed now: Yeah my vender is "cheap" but fire ass effects and dependable results.
I think I got ahead of myself on this one.
Not surprised.
 
Yeah I agree..whenever I pick up a different strain from headshops can result in a dirty buzz w/ headache, and gut rot more so than others.. I have found sticking to the same brand works best but I have also thrown a lot of shit quality away when buying cheap and bulk.

My favorite strains are definitely red, maeng da and every now and then I'll go white or a mix of both.
 
Lil'LinaptkSix said:
Many factors play a role I guess.
We are all rolling the dice on orders.
Cheap is expensive: Buy a set of cheap tires and they may last 1/3 of the time decent ones do. Buy again.
Kratom... gotta use more.
Oh, wait.
I see what's being discussed now: Yeah my vender is "cheap" but fire ass effects and dependable results.
I think I got ahead of myself on this one.
Not surprised.
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My used to be vendor from the source stopped shipping individuals.

They refer to a inlandish headshop but the price is higher and the quality less?

Them good all day's when custom's let legal substance's enter the country have passed.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
good all day's when custom's let legal substance's enter the country have passed
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Agreed.
I wouldn't trust a pill or bag of powder off the street and don't anymore. Had my bell rung and it kinda "woke" me. Ha
It's not what we are look for so yeah there is a price to be paid and a huge gamble to street cop these days/nights.
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