Miscellaneous Does meditation while tripping increase the intensity of psychedelics? Mind tripping and Consciousness.

[Medevilx]

Hi all!

After several trips with different substances, I guess the thing I’m really looking after these experiences, and the main reason of my psychonaut journey, is to experience and gain consciousness, and dive in the deepness of my mind.

Of course I love the visuals, enhanced music and bliss sometimes psychedelics provide, but meditating in darkness while listening to some downtempo electronic music has taken me to unimaginable places.

I wanted to explore psychedelics personally because of the potential knowledge they can provide to understand our own mind and our consciousnes. I’m a somewhat special person and I’m used to a lot of introspection and exploring my mind, specially with cannabis, which is the only “psychedelic” I’ve ever tried. I’m kind of intellectual and believe in the scientific method, I’m not the kind of mystic guy, and most of the psychedelic woo is something that, at least at this moment, I’m not interested, but I know that psychedelics are great tools for self knowledge and self improvement. And that’s what I’m really interested.

I’ve noticed that the same dosage of any substance in a nice setting, like the beach, can lead to a nice headspace and take you to wonderful places, but if I do that same dosage in my man’s cave and meditate in total darkness with headphones on, I can be taken a lot far away. Of course, setting means ALL, but I really believe that if you meditate and go inside your mind with no distractions or visual stimuli, the headspace is way bigger, I guess that setting (darkness and headphones) intensify the psychedelics effects.

Any experienced trippers can share their experience and give me their opinion about meditating while tripping, best substances / dosages, as well as do’s and don’ts?

Thanks a lot!

 

[Deleted member 521610]

yes it does increase it alot. Later on in my journey i became the trip only alone in the dark with my headphones on and meditate sitting there focusing on my breath and letting go and getting taken away in the current of psychedelia

shrooms could be pretty intimdating at times at high doses, so i prefer doing them outside in nature to keep calm.

but acid with the doses i take you aint walking outside lol. Work yourself slowly up to 250-300 ug doses. at 300 ug is where the experince completely changes and ego death is a guarantee but is very very very intense. This requires experince to work up to.

250 ug is ego death aswell very intense trip magical spiritual life changing.

In meditation close your eyes in the dark, roll your eyes back into your head it makes the trip even more intense while listening to this on 250 ug.

make sure you have a clear path to the toilet, and another room you can lie in to get out of any loops.

I had a nice view out of my window into a garden so times i would sit in the dark and let the moonlight in and stare at the night sky at the milky way.

sometimes its great just looking directly at the grass and meditating at night

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Hi all!

After several trips with different substances, I guess the thing I’m really looking after these experiences, and the main reason of my psychonaut journey, is to experience and gain consciousness, and dive in the deepness of my mind.

Of course I love the visuals, enhanced music and bliss sometimes psychedelics provide, but meditating in darkness while listening to some downtempo electronic music has taken me to unimaginable places.

I wanted to explore psychedelics personally because of the potential knowledge they can provide to understand our own mind and our consciousnes. I’m a somewhat special person and I’m used to a lot of introspection and exploring my mind, specially with cannabis, which is the only “psychedelic” I’ve ever tried. I’m kind of intellectual and believe in the scientific method, I’m not the kind of mystic guy, and most of the psychedelic woo is something that, at least at this moment, I’m not interested, but I know that psychedelics are great tools for self knowledge and self improvement. And that’s what I’m really interested.

I’ve noticed that the same dosage of any substance in a nice setting, like the beach, can lead to a nice headspace and take you to wonderful places, but if I do that same dosage in my man’s cave and meditate in total darkness with headphones on, I can be taken a lot far away. Of course, setting means ALL, but I really believe that if you meditate and go inside your mind with no distractions or visual stimuli, the headspace is way bigger, I guess that setting (darkness and headphones) intensify the psychedelics effects.

Any experienced trippers can share their experience and give me their opinion about meditating while tripping, best substances / dosages, as well as do’s and don’ts?

Thanks a lot!

Meditating with headphones on? Silencer's or with distracting music?

Ime meditating is way more powerful as psychedelic then the psychedelics, well maybe excluding DMT/ ayahuasca. And during a trip focussing on nothing, a true meditation is done with eyes open. I wish you good luck but I tried it and found sober is a way better state to meditate.

It is fun though to do.

 

[foodcrisis]

one time i took so much lsd by accident that every time i tried to meditate and chill out i'd end up standing up and moving around cause my meditation would bring me to other places where i was dreaming and i thought i was conscious in these different realities, so my body would get confused that i was actually in that place and i'd try moving around and stuff.

on like 2 grams of shrooms meditating with a nice breathing pattern usually makes the nausea and negative body high go away or at least make it different. it's like the shrooms make breathing air really pleasant... usually i find other activities to do, but there have been a few times where i've been successful meditating on low doses of shrooms.

 

[pupnik]

@Medevilx
this sounds like mind games,
yes it's endless
like chasing yourself through a jungle.
who is the hunter,
what is he hunting?
@TripSitterNZ
rolling your eyes is so unnecessary.

 

[Stephy]

ABSOLUTELY!!! ESPECIALLY when trancing to some good electronic dance music.... formally called rave music

 

[Deleted member 521610]

@Medevilx
this sounds like mind games,
yes it's endless
like chasing yourself through a jungle.
who is the hunter,
what is he hunting?
@TripSitterNZ
rolling your eyes is so unnecessary.

its a secert technique to induce mega trip. I discovered it years ago lol give it a try sometime

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Can we establish maybe what everyone's view on meditation is. As what the concept of the meditative state ment to me made it very obvious being under influence will at least make it harder, for fun ok but a serious one i wouldnt even bother.

AFAIK, this is from the bhoedist meditation. You are like a rock in a river, the water the thoughts. Normally you examine these, get them in your window of thought triggering all kinda responses. But now just let em flow round you, you are a river rock.

Your eyes are open, but your not looking like usual. The third eye is the aim, without crossing eyes, its somewhere just above the middle of ya eyes. Sitting relaxed cross-legged position, or a chair. Mouth little open with air passage to the lung, your tongue flat on the underside helps. It took me some practice. Thats for the Ki flow AFAIK.
No (etheric) music! Maybe a bel or something manually was used to begin and end a session, and maybe a rain maker occasionally (actually dont recall). Or a mantra is used. Thats where it got really powerfull and had for the first time deliberately reached that state.

The difference between a trance, trip or meditation is pretty wide. As is mindfullness or drifting away on your favorite music with visuals. Meditation can go as deep as ego loss ime. it is even said to lower crime, they did a experiment.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

It's an amazing tool in general and can really change up a trip for sure

I honestly think it should be compulsory in school (edit - meditation that is, not tripping) - would transform things I have no doubt about that

 

[gordonliddy]

Can we establish maybe what everyone's view on meditation is.

You have to turn the third eye inward. Meditation during trips is an interesting concept, but the real magic happens when you meditate between trips. You can tune your mind so that you will experience the drugs stronger. Then you will need less of it to reach the effects.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

You have to turn the third eye inward. Meditation during trips is an interesting concept, but the real magic happens when you meditate between trips. You can tune your mind so that you will experience the drugs stronger. Then you will need less of it to reach the effects.

Must have happened but atm it was not noticeable anymore. Emerged in the meditation everything dissapears sight that third eye made place for a very logical hallucinogenic experience. OEV's, but with the difference its sustained witout a substance. And I could step out anytime i wanted.

Turning the third eye inward? Please eleborate a bit if possible as the third eye. Which is visable ime when staring at the sun with eye closed, its a red glow just above the middle of my eyes. During the meditaion it only was a step before entering the OEV state.

Chanting 'Ohm mani padme hum' a chain of beads and a group of people. Mindblowing, and on my to do list. Goal would be to reach this state solely too, but that never succeded.

 

[pupnik]

Can we establish maybe what everyone's view on meditation is. As what the concept of the meditative state ment to me made it very obvious being under influence will at least make it harder, for fun ok but a serious one i wouldnt even bother.

AFAIK, this is from the bhoedist meditation. You are like a rock in a river, the water the thoughts. Normally you examine these, get them in your window of thought triggering all kinda responses. But now just let em flow round you, you are a river rock.

Your eyes are open, but your not looking like usual. The third eye is the aim, without crossing eyes, its somewhere just above the middle of ya eyes. Sitting relaxed cross-legged position, or a chair. Mouth little open with air passage to the lung, your tongue flat on the underside helps. It took me some practice. Thats for the Ki flow AFAIK.
No (etheric) music! Maybe a bel or something manually was used to begin and end a session, and maybe a rain maker occasionally (actually dont recall). Or a mantra is used. Thats where it got really powerfull and had for the first time deliberately reached that state.

The difference between a trance, trip or meditation is pretty wide. As is mindfullness or drifting away on your favorite music with visuals. Meditation can go as deep as ego loss ime. it is even said to lower crime, they did a experiment.

that would work

 

[emkee_reinvented]

that would work

It did, but I have no clue about that state besides that its healthy, life changing and promototes neuroplasticity.

Without guidance and/ or the group, reaching it never succeeded alone.

 

[Ismene2]

Never seen much if any similarity in meditation and tripping - I know a lot of the 60s hippies thought you could trip by meditating - but that never caught on much.

 

[gordonliddy]

Turning the third eye inward? Please eleborate a bit if possible as the third eye.

OK, do you know how when you're staring at the sun with eye closed, something that you should be careful doing, it's a red glow just above the middle of your eyes? That's where your third eye exists.

Which is visable ime when staring at the sun with eye closed, its a red glow just above the middle of my eyes. During the meditaion it only was a step before entering the OEV state.

Right! You are right on the verge of success. Or perhaps you've been successful but haven't realized it yet. Next try this but without staring at the sun. Keep visualizing the same bright spot and then keep turning that vision back until you begin to see with it. You're inches away from success.

Chanting 'Ohm mani padme hum' a chain of beads and a group of people. Mindblowing, and on my to do list. Goal would be to reach this state solely too, but that never succeded.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

OK, do you know how when you're staring at the sun with eye closed, something that you should be careful doing, it's a red glow just above the middle of your eyes? That's where your third eye exists.



Right! You are right on the verge of success. Or perhaps you've been successful but haven't realized it yet. Next try this but without staring at the sun. Keep visualizing the same bright spot and then keep turning that vision back until you begin to see with it. You're inches away from success.

The succes this third time was very set and setting to. A well praticed girl giving the right instructions (even her voice helped, soft and sweet), the mantra we chanted, being with a group doing the same. Like that worked as a very effective catalysator. So been there before, so reaching it on my own would just be as possible gordonliddy?

My first time i reached this state was for a reason quite different. A dental procedure done without aneasthetic. The pain was so intense, my dentist I still have thoughts of revanche to rom time to time as he was basickly a torturer. Not really Rasta.
So as self protection my ego disolved with aid of my dentist. Not in a second but from pain and consiousness to witnissing it as a observer house vested in this body of tortured in its mouth. I heard the drill (the old school ones fast drilling/ heat, felt his pressure on my jaw. But the pain along with my vision and concept of self were gone, egoloss? Consious unconsiouness would describe it. Very greatfull that my brain ativated it in this situation without even knowing about medidative states.

 

[pupnik]

I am not a good person to equate ego dissolution (the term, not the symptoms) with either psychedelics or meditation.
however
the buzz you get from weed, dmt, stimulants, etc. certainly is accessible from breath following meditation or from pranayama breath exercises which is more physical than mental.
the more subtle states that you pass through in meditation resemble psychedelic states occasionally.
which is to say they are not the same thing.
they do not go to the same place,
but there are some similarities, and meditation practice helps with psychedelic experience in this way

you will be inclined for the next 5 minutes to think thoughts related to what you are now thinking
(this is short term memory in action)
related to means associated with, which means anything like or in opposition to

being inclined to think something is like a slope in the mind
so
whatever is in your mind one moment, affects your mental inclination somewhat for the next 5 minutes.

that pretty much describes your ever changing mental landscape, it is currently still being manipulated somewhat by who you were 5 minutes ago, and this just keeps on happening.

Meditation, as a practice helps keep the mental slope level by helping keep a neutral attitude to mental contents that arise from sensation or perceptive reflexes


ego dissolution from drugs usually pertains to subjective break throughs or blackout or whiteout from high dose experiments
ego dissolution from meditation is more like a psychophilosophical realization event like satori - both drug and meditative satori experiences are fun but delusional.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

ego dissolution from drugs usually pertains to subjective break throughs or blackout or whiteout from high dose experiments
ego dissolution from meditation is more like a psychophilosophical realization event like satori - both drug and meditative satori experiences are fun but delusional.

Ego desolution is common in both but they are not alike, on drugs they are not very lucid or have that same deep meaning, they are chemically caused and often not retained (ime).

Meditative Satori (had to look it up but for deeper understanding on it will take time), if i interpret your text is the state the Bhudist meditation session caused in me. And is roughly a enlightement moment, translated in English? Corresponds to how i felt after and feel not specifically enlighted. Many times actually quite dumb.

But it did'n feel disillussional like psychedelics to me. It was very logically related to set and setting the OEV. A manifestation of the combination of meditating in a group, a good teacher obvious (she was younger then me), reciding the mantra and the beads. It showed me oneness with all people around me in this state. And that there was no I recognizing his own voice. Hearing was ok, so my voice must be one of the ones cirkling around, which one? And why where they circling as I was at the same spot all the time.

Great first intro, and the euphoria felt after was a bit scary as it was not my aim to feel like that. Felt a bit of egoistic response, as more balanced and comppasionate state, would have made more sense. But the lack of evaluation and her death soon after left a question mark on what happened. Did it went wrong or right, does that even matter, confusing.

 

[pupnik]

what is delusional about satoris is to imagine they are states that can be preserved.
all mental states are transitory, fluctuant,
even moments of enlightenment are entirely contextual when they happen and suitable only then and there
and then the situation changes and the person has to go with it.
ergo
it is not a state
to imagine it is a state is delusional.
it may be difficult to define enlightenment other than it is being present and in tune with the moment which is always changing

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Sorry for using WIKI info atm. But Satori refers to kenshō and is translated as awakening; comprehension, understanding.

A short glimp into ones real nature/ essence of reality. Nice how the terms knowing and knowledge are seperated. Which is very spot on, over here they often get treated as being part of each other. There explanation is way more logic. What the two share is that they are so inconsequent. Knowing and / or knowledge doesn't mean thing in some situation's is my experience. Mostly they do come on later on, when back at baseline. So a bit to late. To bad the evaluation of that session was broken off, as I was seemingly the only one having had that experience. Basing of the looks of the rest of the group.

@pupnik, Satori is not my goal, just trying to stimulate my Vagus Nerve through all methods I will find. Meditation is one, yoga, music, chanting, dancing/ body training a.o. But most helpful are other people who seem very good at showing me kindness and the effects that behaviour has on the people around. Like they have somesort of warm glow that spreads out and recides in them. These are not meditators or healers, just people that been through .../ conquered there dark thoughts, labeled by our society as the bottom layer. Wonder how the wisest and nicest end up in places like this, been visiting them since a while. And to label them as clients.

The creativity/ wisdom and friendlyness I witnessed is incomparable with that from the ones who work there (to keep an eye on things). Meaning sitting aside in a seperate part on their ass. Like they avoid something, never see em do something creative or help with the dishes.