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Do you sense immediate judgement from doctors when they find out you're addicted?

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Opioids in my experience, and even when they know that my addiction began with the over-prescribing of pharmaceutical opiates over several years.

I know this is a common experience in general, but I have had to see many doctors over the years and therefore have a good idea of the average bedside manner a doctor will usually exhibit. Admittedly, part of this may be due to self-judgement, yet I have seen many doctors who start off as being completely friendly and cheerful when first meeting you - only to become instantly cold and distant when they read your chart, or otherwise learn about your addiction or participation in methadone maintenance.
 
Doctors are human. Even though they are educated, they may be either ignorant towards or have preconceived notions about addictions. As long as you are treated medically the same I would not worry about it.
 
Usually the only time I get that from a doc is if it is a VA Doc, Having all my problems originate in the Army Civilian Doctors immediately switch to how can we better understand? The VA is usually like "ya and guess who I saw this morning? A guy who lost ALL of his limbs including his penis, and that caused his wife to leave him." So they don't really care about my problems no matter how bad they are lol. It all depends.
 
Although this is no excuse, I believe it comes from the fact that doctors see a bunch a patients a day and when they read someone's chart, they're looking for buzz words that stick out. Addiction issues (along with certain drugs) and the like definitely are something a doctor would focus on while speed reading through a medical chart. (Remember, insurance plans, Medicare (I assume) and office policy often only allow a doctor to spend X amount of time with a patient (5-10 minutes) billable as an office visit. I was told this fact while at a primary care doctor's office.) This is just human nature and to continue, they like to "pigeon hole" patients as well. It's like they want to be able to quickly read through a chart and say "this is an issue, plain as day" and therefore this patient falls into this or that category. Snap snap, chart reading all done. Next!

So, "I get it" but sometimes I'd like a doctor to relax, sit back and really listen to what I tell them and not have me feeling like I'm a NASCAR car at pit-stop. If a doctor would take the time to talk to a patient, they might realize that there may be legitimate reasons why X and Y happened and no one is less of a human being because of it. Oh well, just a pipe-dream of mine.
 
Ya, thaats why I never say anything about my addiction if I go...I haven't been to a doctor cept for a cold a while back and I did tell them and he was kinda rude after that and got an attitude when he wasn't gonna prescribe me any narcotic cougph syrup for my cold....ugh, I was not asking for that, I've been on 8mg+ for two years...wtf would a bottle of dihdydrocodiee do for me now,lol. I knew it would be dihydro cuz thats what they gave me yearrrs ago when I went in HS and facked a chest cold. Would drink half the bottle and smoke some weed, but wth would DHC do for me now,lol. But my pain clinic doctor that I get my Subs from is very nice to her pain patients and never once have i had her sound jugemental/atttitude about what they are taking, plus she's also been really uderstading with me, I've could have been kicked out a few times I think(3 failed test..just weed I duno, maybe some benzos). But ya, I just never tell if I got to another doctor if I'm on Sub Maintiance now, I get treaated so much nicer.
 
They sell codeine syrup over the counter in my state. I've never been a fan of codeine though. Would probably be good for withdrawals at the most.

My doctor is a dick and never prescribes me anything fun. I have terrible anxiety and he just throws SSRIs at me. He knows my drug use in detail. So that's probably why Lol
 
I really like my GP. He actually was one of the people that helped me beat my opiate addiction. When I go see him he spends time with me and we actually talk about my health concerns. I am going to see him today to get my xanax refills. I am actually looking forward to talking about my progress with my addiction.

Find a doctor you like and build a rapport with him/her.
 
I really like my GP. He actually was one of the people that helped me beat my opiate addiction. When I go see him he spends time with me and we actually talk about my health concerns. I am going to see him today to get my xanax refills. I am actually looking forward to talking about my progress with my addiction.

Find a doctor you like and build a rapport with him/her.

You should feel very fortunate he will write benzos to a "known addict". I am having a fucking hell of a time getting any relief from any doctor when it comes to anxiety or PTSD. Its fucked up but I think most would rather run off a "risky client" than try to help for real.
 
I don't have a regular doctor other than the psychiatrist, but when I go to the hospital they see that I'm an IV drug user and alcoholic. Despite this they give me Ativan when they do their... Intrusive testing because of my liver.

Any other time they look at me like I'm scum but I don't give a fuck, if I want drugs I'll buy them elsewhere.
 
Ofcourse, fuck with Opiates, Benzos and rehab then try and get your pain seen to. Having needed surgery in the past for pain that was lower is, irritating.
I don't self-medicate... much. Hey, we all do in a way. :)
 
I don't have a regular doctor other than the psychiatrist, but when I go to the hospital they see that I'm an IV drug user and alcoholic. Despite this they give me Ativan when they do their... Intrusive testing because of my liver.

Any other time they look at me like I'm scum but I don't give a fuck, if I want drugs I'll buy them elsewhere.
That was always my thinking too I didn't need a script its cheaper to but Xanax on the street anyway. The methadone clinic has fucked up that equation.
 
I got put on a holding pattern at the v a for two hours 3 visits ago, finally I got bored, went to tthe parking lot and had a few tokes(since I''d already pissed for em). Came back up and bam they call my name. If I'd have known all that took to speed them up I'd have went out and smoked an hour and a half earlier.
 
I dread the day they start sharing all this information currently kept at separate facilities. My main doctor doesn't know about my drug history and I don't plan to tell him for reasons I shouldn't need to explain. But there is a hospital in my area that I know for a fact has me marked as an intravenous drug user on my chart (I always read my own chart whenever I'm in hospital, fuck their policy). They gave me a sealed envelope for me to give to my main doctor, strangely it appears to have been their only attempt to contact him. I opened it cause again, fuck their policy. And yep, under medical history, "IVDU". I 'forgot' to deliver the letter. Damn my poor memory.

On the whole I haven't had doctors give me a bad attitude, they will change what they prescribe but so far I haven't felt judged.
 
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I hate doctors - really, hate them. Now, there are some tolerable ones, but I have never met one who has known enough to treat me properly. A hell of a lot of docs will get very judgmental, when they hear the rx's I am scripted. I mean - the rx's are legitimate from a legal standpoint. I am not even on a real opioid - yes, tramadol is an opioid, but it has been years since I felt the opioid warmth. So, yeah - I mean, I am on stimulants (alternating between methylphenidate and d-amphetamine) - I actually rather like Ritalin. It doesn't fry me like an amphetamine, and amphetamine dependence was modest for some time, but I will tell you that for fatigue or for kicks or for whatever, if you take an amphetamine habitually and nearly every day, that honeymoon period is VERY nice, indeed, what you don't know what amphetamine can do - it worsens fatigue, causes anxiety and paranoia, loss of appetite, makes hot flashes so much worse, really seems to fuck my memory, too, and I am not taking really high doses. I usually take 20 mg to 30 mg at least three times a day, sometimes four, maybe five. See the morning dose - the first dose - is initially nice, for the most part, but fuck - in 2.5 to 3.5 hrs. I am fixing to re-dose. I haven't touched amphetamine for about a week, now, and switched with my doc to methylphenidate very recently. I don't worry about the neurotoxic effects of methylphenidate much at all - it is so like cocaine; no real tolerance builds physiologically, it doesn't have the physiological dependence I once thought amphetamine didn't really have. Methylphenidate is also nicely balanced in a way - you feel it in your body, in your mind, but you can rest rather comfortably on it - it is quite short acting, but I have accounted for that - I don't see this drug as one which I will need for school or school work; it really has all the marks of a euphoriant - so I am going to treat it like a fun thing or thing to do when bored. I will reiterate that with amphetamine, you become exhausted after some time, and it is really toxic to the entire organism.

BUT, BACK TO DOCS - Okay, so they are bizarre creatures; some of the things that have come out of their mouths nearly put me into a state of shock. Let see - some memorable quotes and little anecdotes:

One psych doc (residency, but had a lot of a charge in the ward): "Xanax has a half-life of about an hour."

My psych doc: "Well, Dexedrine is about half as potent, mg for mg, than Adderall." - That one worked out well for me.

ER doc: "So do you do any drugs?" ME: "Well, I use cannabis here and there." ER doc: "Oh, no that is fine; I mean like coke or heroin." ME: "No." So, then she berates me for being on so many meds, all legally scripted, mind you. She tells me I look like a drug seeker. I talk to her a bit, nicely, informing her that I know what it looks like. So, she goes from "I am not pushing any controlled substances into your body." Then, 10 minutes later, 10 mg morphine is shot up in my IV cath. For such a woman, flipping back and forth so much, I get 10 mg morphine IV push? This was somewhere else, but where I am from, acute pain crisis = 4 mg morphine, 6 mg morphine if the doctor is understanding. I mean, I can tolerate opiates well, but those 10 mg really got me comfy. Then, I was I given my discharge papers, almost immediately - no record of her name, no record of what she gave me - just 'acute non-traumatic pain in a, b, c, d, e, etc. - I told her my whole fucking body was in pain - neuralgias/neuropathies, myalgia all over, and migraine headache. They didn't even consider Benadryl! She also thought butalbital was a narcotic, and I think she said all controlled substances are narcotics; that is not right in medicine, law, or anything else! But, she was a fucking nut - all over the place, and likely recovering from addiction, herself - or in the throws of it, still.

Older GP (In his early 70's or so, now, and ill): So, the first time I was scripted Fiorinal (ASA/butalbital/caffeine), he told me not to worry about it and that it was harmless - Jesus! He also had someone I know on 2 mg Xanax QID for some time, along with plenty of Fiorinal - I mean, that is just not how it works, really.

Neurosurgeon: So, I went to him for a consultation of sorts. We went into his office after the basic neurological exam, and said he really cannot prescribe any painkillers for my headache. When I mentioned Fiorinal, he said he hadn't written for that in 5 years or so, and said he was completely fine with scripting me 60 with a refill. When Fiorinal W/ Codeine was brought up, he just said "no you don't want that - that will just make you sick" - Yeah, 30 mg or 60 mg of codeine is going to get me really sick. Fuck, I have taken 200-odd a couple of times, and it just felt like an opiate - nice.

Rheumatologist: Initially, she was the one scripting me the Adderall, as it was back then, and praising how it can help so very much with fatigue and fibro-fog; this was right after she said she is not going any higher than tramadol! Present day, she scripts me Lyrica, Soma, Fiorinal, & Tramadol!

Speaking of present day, my psych has me scripted for 3 mg Klonopin/day, 30 mg Restoril/bedtime, and 20 mg Dexedrine/day. I asked for a calmative agent due to temporary stress; he wanted to go neuroleptic, and I wasn't buying that, so I got him to write for 10 mg to 20 mg Pamelor at bedtime; truth be told, I have really cut down on tramadol (not much else, but tramadol, yes) and haven't been experiencing physiological discomfort or anything; I went from 400 mg to 500 mg daily to, now, 100 mg to 200 mg. I am not sure why or how; it wasn't consciously intentional, but I am glad I am down. So, any way I figure a brief regimen of fairly low-dose Pamelor (probably 20 mg to 30/40 mg daily - maybe a bit more) and just slide off the tramadol track; that is not good for me either. I suppose I just know some drugs are toxic for me, at this point, considering everything, and the less toxic drugs seem more valuable for all purposes. A long story is attached to my relationship with cannabis - I love it, and never thought I would at one point, like I do now. BUT, I cannot use it without putting myself in a lot of jeopardy, as of now. So fucked up - I need a dispensary to open, because I know I could get an MMJ card in a second by showing them my records. Really, though, cannabis seems to keep me at lower doses of the pharmaceuticals, without a doubt, AND it works wonders for my pain, fatigue, anxiety, insomnia, etc. It REALLY helps with every thing under the sun. Weed needs to get legalized for everyone, really, though - I think it stands a good chance to do as much in maybe a dozen states in the next five years - I am just worried about the federal law being enforced to a really severe extent. We need to repeal so many goddamn federal and state drug laws; I mean very harsh mandatory minimums for possession of a little coke or dope? What the fuck?

Back to docs: One doc told me I would benefit from a stimulant, knowing that my history was squeaky clean with drug use and that. But, he thought since I'd be continuing classes in high school, it would help. Initially it was the baby dose of 5 mg Adderall XR, but that gave me some really notable euphoria and sped me up real smoothly. The beginning is usually nice; it gets nasty if you take it every day, or even a couple days a week. Amphetamine is something that you have to be healthy enough to take, find your sweet spot dose, and use it a couple times a month or even less - it can be great, if you've never done it, but it wrecks your body pretty easily and pretty quickly.

BUT, DO DOCTORS JUDGE ME? - OF FUCKING COURSE, THEY DO. THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING CAN BE MORE AMIABLE AND OPEN. BUT, ALL DOCTORS VARY SO MUCH; IT IS SCARY, REALLY.
 
Completely dependant on the individual and not their profession IME. With some I do, with others I don't.
 
There's an unfortunate tendency towards imho. Here in Germany the situation about Ritalin / methylphenidate and even Lyrica / pregabalin is escalating in the cities ...
 
My personal experience is that most doctors "judge" even when you're NOT ADDICTED. I have long-standing PAIN due to trauma, stage 4 disease wrecking my abdominal/peritoneal cavity. Simply stated, the treatments of multiple surgeries to remove organs/disease AND the follow-up chemo killed my QOL.

I've existed (not lived) for YEARS (almost 40) with nothing more than Darvocet, Donnatal, Ativan and Zoloft. Well, Darvocet was banned. Donnatal Brand is too expensive with no more generic...so I'm fucked for almost 5 years now.

I enrolled in PM in early 2014, but opiate trials have done MORE HARM via constipation ramped to life-threatening. I don't go to the ER unless I fear PAINFUL DEATH...non-painful death would be prayers answered for me. ER doctors look at me with suspicion and disdain because I don't "look" sick. They think I'm there for pain meds! WTF...Where in 4 decades of Goddamned medical records have I EVER sought pain meds?

It seems in today's environment (pain med-wise) we are viewed guilty and cannot prove our innocence...If you are innocent. It's a crying shame.

Last Friday I HAD TO GO TO ER. It was a 3 ring circus with no ringmaster. There is lengthy post of ER visit in PM Mega thread. Suffice to say, I feared rupture/perforation of upper left colon deep inside my rib cage...screamed to touch it. CT scan confirmed "massive amount of trapped stool" above (known) twist in colon. He would not send me to GI lab for scope. He would not script Linzess. He would not LISTEN period. He scripted Lactulose syrup and smugly "guaranteed" it would move my bowels.

Guess what folks? It's 5 days post ER, with no food except clear broth/soup. I've taken every OTC extreme measure continuously, while primal screaming in pain...only to pass watery bright gold liquid with no smell. TMI, but what the hell is going on? Oh, yea, several heavy duty enemas daily, too. The blockage is to high in the colon to "reach".

I'm rapid-dialing my GP who was out of town until today. I will see her at 1:00. Intervention is imperative to avert rupture. If she is apathetic and does nothing stat to help me...Well, my long-standing exit strategy will be my only option.

I'm tired of begging doctors to help me, just to open their eyes and investigate if PERHAPS I know WTF I'm talking about. It seems that unless you've slashed a femoral artery/bleeding out, you're viewed with the STINK EYE! In my case, I'm not the only one who's FULL OF SHIT.

:! Sorry...Rant over for now.
 
Not only that, I know how to deal with them. Drug users tend to project an angry, hostile, un-cooperative vibe that just makes it worse for you. Instead try to put on your sweetest smile because that will throw them.
 
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