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Do you consider yourself wise or improved due to "drug use struggles"?

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I hope this is post is ok? Its got a link im not affiliated with so im not sure on the rules? Please remove it if its not ok...

I have always believed whole heatedly that drug users and the community and others that have struggled with hard lives, addictions and being the brunt of ridicule and judgmental thinking can become so much stronger and better of in their lives once they have conquered whatever "struggle" it might have been.

For example, after dealing with terrible addictions, it could make dealing with other challenges in life far easier relatively to previous hardships, then it might be for others.

Or having been the target of others due to drug use, we understand the pain and lack of learning/knowledge/happiness brought about by judgmental thinking, ignorance and the likelihood of others believing they are superior to you because of your "weakness" for drugs etc.

Anyways i believe it can create much wisdom if we try and find the positive in our experiences and force some sort of learning of value out of it all.
This is why I hang out here with all you wise guys and shun those "weak" members of society who fear us lol.

So I found this "wisdom test" on the web and thought it might be entertaining or provide some positive reinforcement (maybe see how you stack up against non user friends or family lol) for some who might have started believe the lies others and society tell about us. Im sure we will kill this test way better then all those stand up members of the community and society.

Anyways, don't take it too seriously, just thought it would be interesting. No need to post results obviously
Also im not recommending drug use or making light of it at all, obviously

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Link: http://similarminds.com/intdoor-wisdom.html
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Sorry if thats not safe? Not sure.

Want A Challenge? Beat Blight The Wise Tweaker at 96% 8o lol.

Cheers.
 
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haha that test is kinda interesting. scored an 87%

to answer ur question i think if youve overcame the struggles of drug abdiction then you are definitley a step ahead of the gen pop. things like will power, problem solving, and perspective of whats really important and what only appears to be would be some of the main things addiction could help you with, just off the top of my head, im sure theres more

ive always felt that my experiences with addiction suited me better prepared for the "real" world, whatever u consider that to b
 
Thanks for responding ^. I agree. The trauma of addiction can be terrible and without belittling what people go through I just hope we can all still attempt to find the positive side wherever possible.

As a business owner I really feel that if i was to put real trust and faith in somebody it would be the conceptual individual with a history of drug use, difficult addiction and eventual overall (psychological mostly) recovery.

I cant imagine anybody stronger willed and ready to kick life in the nuts and make it his/her bitch then that conceptual individual. The whole stereo typical fear and avoidance of employees with histories (as in "in the past" not "still using") of drug use is retarded to me.

I have seen recovered drug addicts that "grew" from hard times become the most amazing sales people I have ever seen. Young 20-25 year olds going from serving food to $15k + pm sales jobs in a year or two simply by shedding those negative ideas about themselves.

My hope is that my fellow BL peers don't put themselves down simply due to guilt or believing that never ending barrage of negativity thrown at them. Tell society to fuck off. They cant handle half the shit you can.
 
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once youve conquered a drug addiction, alot of shit pales in comparison. i dont think that im wiser or improved over anybody, i just know ive done and been through some shit.
school of hard knocks.
 
Draind said:
once youve conquered a drug addiction, alot of shit pales in comparison. i dont think that im wiser or improved over anybody, i just know ive done and been through some shit.
school of hard knocks.
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Exactly. Im not asking anybody to be arrogant or consider ourselves "superior" to others (thats a ignorance based thinking pattern) but I think we deserve to be modestly confident and guilt free when moving forward in life.

Wolfmans_BrothEr - I am a online marketing marketing manager / consultant / strategist
 
blight12 said:
Exactly. Im not asking anybody to be arrogant or consider ourselves "superior" to others (thats a ignorance based thinking pattern) but I think we deserve to be modestly confident and guilt free when moving forward in life.
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when it comes down to it, serious drug addiction is no joke. theres a lot of weak people in this world and anyone who can overcome the pulls of some addictions gains my respect much more so over some people walking this planet. youve dug yourself into a hole, and most people will just stay there bc its easier. it takes some fuckin balls to actually pull yourself outta that shit solely based on your own well being and desire to live a better life. i applaud anyone who does because so many of us dont
 
I can see where you are coming from with this business power, or growing up quick thing. However one could also describe it as a negative thing, repeated withdrawals from opiate use leading into abstinence completely changed my personality , I have become very cold and uninterested in others , paradoxically family is now the number one thing in my life. This very same feeling that drives some to relapse , some to suicide some to other forms of reckless or repetetive behavior can make you very focussed on work or succes , but I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

p.s for all the people who just came clean whatever motivates you to go on one more day at a time is worthwhile thinking , so take my post with a pinch of salt.
 
Wolfmans_BrothEr - Exactly: while respecting those who managed to do the above as I have said already, I also hope those still in the "hole" can be motivated by their possible awesome potential if they could eventually get "out".

The idea that you are done for or have nothing to offer anymore after you have entered the "dark times", is an evil misconception which results in many people giving up to soon (not because they cant "handle" it but because they have been convinced they dont have anything to offer, which is all bull)
 
crimsonjunk said:
Addiction hasnt made me any stronger or wiser. More like depressed and desperate.
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Yeah, look my biggest concern is coming across as belittling those who dont feel this way currently or those still struggling to find stable footing.
For you, I hope to at least give a glimpse of a light at the end of the tunnel. Not just "back to normal" either but hopefully far more then that, at least a head start to make up for any time lost to the addiction itself.

Our biggest challenge i think is giving up on ourselves to soon. I liken it to a popular entrepreneurial concept that says most aspiring entrepreneurs will usually give up and give in to failure just...just...just before they succeed. So pushing through that last most painful stretch can often result in glorious victory.
 
Eh, I have gained some wisdom but overall I'd like to see just how wise I would be without the drug usage.
 
^^^Agreed. Before i was an addict i couldnt conceive how someone could not live in a home, have no money for a phone, or just have no money at all. It also opens your eyes to all thr grimey things people do. Before i was an addict and in my early stages i would trust everyone, but after being conned a few times you start to know most people are garbage.

But just about when i was at the conclusion that all people are scammers and empty, i came across this one sude three days ago who gave me hope. I woke up sick the other morning which is extremely unusual and called my dealer as usual, who for the first time in over a year wasnt. I holding until four hours from then. I couldnt wait so i headed down to downtown los angeles. Ive learned to not buy from the first dude who approaches you, so when this dude asked me what i needed i just kept on pushin. He followed me and said his keys locked in his car, hes gotta go to his dudes house and hell throw menan extra one for helping get his keys out. I didnt trust him, and figured if his shit was garbage by the time i helped him w his car my dude would be holding again. Anyway, we went on our way and im sweating baaaad. He starts babbling ho hea from st louis missouri and how people down there are real and how he aint never met anyone as shiesty as the people in l.a. And how its normal for people here to fuck you over with out a second thought, its just their nature. He babbled some more and i just thought he was just buttering me up and about to sell me pebbles or bird shit. We acquired the shit, looked decent, heleped him get in his van and and even took him to a gas station to get gas in a can his van was out. I sped home hoping the shot was decent and it was. God this story turned out way longer than it should be, but my point is addiction makes you see the grimey side of life, but sont lose hope in everyone! Theres still real mother fuckera out in the world, most times were just not around them. :p sorry for long pointless post
 
MarkRenton said:
Eh, I have gained some wisdom but overall I'd like to see just how wise I would be without the drug usage.
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Yea, Ive always been curious what kind of person I would have become if I never used drugs. I think drugs have made me a better human but have also made it far more difficult to adapt to society.

I scored 94% on test. I also seem to score absurdly high on all the personality disorder tests tho...:\
 
I remember both being told this by people in the rooms, as well as reading it somewhere, that people who make it through addictions successfully can achieve much greater success than the average people. This is a result of our personalities, our behaviors, and most importantly, our tenacity (which is a part of the previous two).

Think about how tenacious you have to be to be an addict. How hard you have to grab hold of something and follow it through, be it a scam, something bad happening, or just addiction itself. STAYING an addict is not easy at all. Its actually REALLY HARD to continually subject yourself to misery, especially when you do it by choice. But we addicts routinely display a tenacity not matched by any others.

Something funny about this? In high school I won a "Tenacity Scholarship", far beforeI was even deep in drug addiction. Kind of ironic in retrospect, but comeon...that just slammed the point home IMO.

I dont think its always because we "gained anything" by being addicts. At best I think we learn what the negative ways are of focusing our energy, and at worse we end up dead. While I may know now NOT to be a dope addict, i dont think it taught me the right way to do things; it just taught me the wrong way and what not to do. Although I have written in an essay that if I overcame a dope addiction, what CANT I do? But again I dont think thats a result of gaining wisdom, i think it ties back into the tenacity.
 
I'd say the whole experience of using drugs is certainly good at expanding someone's point of view, and it's way better for that than facebooking, tv-watching, and other time-wasting activities, but there gets to be a certain point when you're doing more harm than good, and those who can't turn it around aren't going to end up as some wise old sage, they're gonna be old, but with diminished faculties and tons of regrets.

Struggling and recovering from addiction is a character builder, but the whole process is often the result of a weakness in character to begin with. So who's to say who's wiser or better off?

I got a 60% on that test by the way. The questions made no sense to me and there was no cohesion to it. Most of them are indeterminable, but I'm glad they admitted the questions were simply novel.
How does indie rock have anything to do with wisdom? Also what's the deal with those "20 year old scientist vs 30 year old scientist vs 40 year old scientists"? Pretty pointless addition to a cool thread idea if you ask me.

And yeah I'm pissed I got an F on it...
 
Zerrr said:
Yea, Ive always been curious what kind of person I would have become if I never used drugs. I think drugs have made me a better human but have also made it far more difficult to adapt to society.
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Feel the same here. I often wonder what trajectory my life would followed had I never used drugs (including alcohol). I've done plenty of less-than-admirable things, but the experiences I've had have ultimately changed me for the better IMO. Sometimes I find it difficult to establish common ground with new people because I've spent the bulk of my life surrounded by alcoholics and addicts, myself included. It's crazy how context and environment can affect my perspective so dramatically when it comes to my drug abuse. When I was in treatment or attending a 12-step program, I fell into the trap of trivializing my addiction because I felt like some people were competing over who had it worse. And yeah this does happen -- though I noticed it way more in treatment than AA or NA groups -- and I used it as an excuse to perpetuate the same life-crippling behaviors that led me there in the first place. I've had basically the same core group of close-knit friends since HS who have all used drugs, most in excess but some not, so when I meet people who haven't even tried drugs or haven't had any interest in trying them, I find myself being very selective and sensitive about what I disclose out of fear of judgement. If I feel comfortable enough, I might relay a "mild" story if it's appropriate and relates to the conversation, and most people think it's unequivocally the craziest thing they've ever heard from a friend. Sometimes people inquire further and are blown away by what I share and think it's incredibly interesting. Unfortunately, not all people are as receptive, but I understand.

But it has made going on dates super uncomfortable. I feel like I'm being disingenuous when I'm skirting around a question or giving ambiguous responses to questions, and I'm already really shy and awkward when I meet new people, so the added nervousness of accidentally mentioning something in passing about drugs or even alcohol cause me to freeze even more. Had a couple of times over the summer where it was nearing the point of a relationship, and I would be honest about some of my stuggles, and they ended up walking away. Oh well!

DooMMooD said:
I remember both being told this by people in the rooms, as well as reading it somewhere, that people who make it through addictions successfully can achieve much greater success than the average people. This is a result of our personalities, our behaviors, and most importantly, our tenacity (which is a part of the previous two).

Think about how tenacious you have to be to be an addict. How hard you have to grab hold of something and follow it through, be it a scam, something bad happening, or just addiction itself. STAYING an addict is not easy at all. Its actually REALLY HARD to continually subject yourself to misery, especially when you do it by choice. But we addicts routinely display a tenacity not matched by any others.

Something funny about this? In high school I won a "Tenacity Scholarship", far beforeI was even deep in drug addiction. Kind of ironic in retrospect, but comeon...that just slammed the point home IMO.

I dont think its always because we "gained anything" by being addicts. At best I think we learn what the negative ways are of focusing our energy, and at worse we end up dead. While I may know now NOT to be a dope addict, i dont think it taught me the right way to do things; it just taught me the wrong way and what not to do. Although I have written in an essay that if I overcame a dope addiction, what CANT I do? But again I dont think thats a result of gaining wisdom, i think it ties back into the tenacity.
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Thanks, this was really encouraging to read. :)

Anyway, I actually scored an 87% as well. I think my answers regarding God and faith were the main reasons for my point deductions. I guess I missed the part that said the test is a barometer of how rational you are, hehe. I have a much easier time grasping more abstract material versus the more logical stuff. Logic...kind of eludes me. There's this barrier in my brain that renders me mathematically inept. Seriously problematic. :P
 
Addiction popped the top on my mental illnesses quite a few times: especially stimulants like MDPV and methamphetamine. Currently I'm hooked on DXM: been stealing that stuff almost daily for about the past 6 months or longer? But I've never been happier in my life. Authentic happiness. Going back to school and everything.

I discovered that no matter how evil and harmful I became, I still could never find the courage to kill myself. So I had to find the courage to live instead!

I scored 36%. Consistent with my diagnosises as a paranoid schizophrenic.
 
I've always thought of the whole indulging in drugs and drug addiction thing as being very Siddhartha-esque. (It's funny because I'm not a big fan of that book, but I must have referenced that book half a dozen times now on BL.)

If anyone here has ever read the book, you'll remember that Siddhartha, after giving away all of his possessions and meditating under a tree for a while, could not attain enlightenment, nirvana... and then he realized that the reason for this was because, while he had given away his possessions, he had not yet fully experienced life; he had not smoked, gambled, gotten drunk, had sex, etc. and it was necessary for him to experience those vices so that he could then give them up. And only then could he attain enlightenment, achieve nirvana or what have you...

So, in short, yes... I feel that indulging in these things can, ultimately, make you a more empathetic, compassionate and better person... for some. :)

EDIT: I was a real selfish, self-absorbed, arrogant son of a bitch before I began experimenting with drugs. I'd like to think that I've learned a little humility...
 
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