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Do you advocate (TO AN EXTENT) the use of drugs

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I posted this here:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...ychedelic-experiences?p=13477064#post13477064

"Its honestly a weird thing to say, but I am 21 and I like who I am today. I like where I am going. And thought the past I don't know 5 Years or so, through the use of different t drugs, including psychedelics, have made me love and understand myself and who I am a lot more. Along with understand life and the world. Conscienceness, reality, yada yada. I actually had this revelation the 3rd time i did mdma. Kind of confusing but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Drugs made me the person I today. Not a bad thing. Others would tell you im going to hell."

I just thought this tied in with another topic I'd like to discuss.

Now I I'm no way advocate drug ABUSE, but like the statement said I have had a lot of expierences in 21 years of life, and I plan to have a lot of great expierences in my life. Now I've been reckless with drugs before, I think we all have. But there's a lot of great thereputic and spiritual/self-relection properties with a good few mind altering drugs.

So basically do you advocate to some extend drug use? To what extent? What ways?

How do you feel about negative connotations with drugs? I've had this conversation with a lot of people, some who think all drug use is unjustifiable and sending you to the firey depths of hell. I disagree all the time and most people are digusted with drug history in individuals.

How do you feel?
 
No. I do not ADVOCATE any drug use for anyone other than myself.
What i DO do is share the positive and negative aspects of how drugs have affected my life and i allow the individual to decide for themselves whether they think that risks are worth the benefits. I would never tell someone else to try something or take something unless they specifically asked and are readily willing because they have already made up their mind.

Do i believe that drugs have had a positive impact on my life? Yes. And so far the positives have outweighed the negatives, but the second that the negatives catch up, ill be done.

The ONLY drug that i could ever possibly see myself advocating is psilocybin mushrooms. The experience is almost always life-changing. But even then, if i were to advocate it, i would also be super truthful about the possibilities of negative situations arriving.
 
I actually really like this answer. Pretty close to how I feel about it.

Mushies really was a life changing expierence, so was MDMA, although I feel like they can both catch you off guard.

Like you I would be truthful and usually am about my stance on recreational substances.
 
I Think when you talk about psychedelics and weed it's a totally different ballgame then when you start talking about benzodiazepines, Coke, meth, and opiates. As many believe as I do think there is definitely a benefit to psychedelics and weed. You are only 21 so you will have a lot of life to live just be careful and stay away from the dangerous stuff. Just some friendly advice.
 
I used to promote the use of psychedelics as "mind expansion," and now I consier that to be a whole lot of bullshit. Drugs can be fun, drugs can be interesting, but expanding the mind, carrying some kind of "message of enlightenment," bullshit. I believed in all of that stuff but did not see, in the long term, any benefit to my life, much to the contrary, I fucked up my life tremendously in that phaser of my life even while I felt that I was becoming enlightened and suchlike. It's the path of delusion. Drugs as a recreational activity may or may not be more dangerous than promiscuous sex, driving fast, whatever, but like other activities it's not anything that we can necessarily recommend to anyone.
 
Depends on the drug. I will definitely advocate use of psychedelics. I genuinely do think they have great therapeutic value in the same way a session with a therapist does - meaning, no, it won't magically change your life, but it can help you look at things from different angles and keep you well adjusted.

I would not advocate benzos or opiates because they're way too addictive and prolonged use can fuck up your life. Such a risk does not exist in a manner sufficient enough for concern with psychedelics. The only time I'd warn someone away from psychedelics is if they have a family history of schizophrenia etc.

Stims I wouldn't advocate just because they're not my DOC, although I might tell someone I don't think is at high risk of becoming a stim head to use a cheeky bit of speed to help them get work done because we all know it's very effective and won't cause problems unless you start abusing it which personally I've never been tempted to do even with a script.
 
I wouldn't advocate any percription really. I think that's pretty dangerous, and there is a lot about opiate and benzo addiction out there and do sent sound to pleasing. Plus I've never really liked the idea of scripts. I understand that yes in a lot of cases they are needed and have helped a lot of people. But like...basically I've always thought about it like this: to fix a current problem you have to become a drug addict to maintain it, leaving a possibility for more problems. Idk.

As far as psychedelics and marijuana go. I would...recommend it to those who were I interested. Even at the very basic as weed, its not for everyone. I happen to love weed tho, maybe a little too much ;)

I wouldn't advocate stims really. I don't like stims. Its not the experience I go for.

Empathogens? I've only tried MDMA and MDA. I woudlnt really outright say HEY TRY THIS. But if the topic came up I'd put in my 2 cents about it. I think MDMA can be a really great experience for someone.

Research chems. Done some. Wouldn't recommend. To much room for error. Would do with friend who's interested or something if I knew I had a legit chem and knew what it was.
 
Playing 'devils advocate' here.
Yes in some cases I do recommend the use of certain drugs (like psychedelics, mxe, amphetamines etc..) for pleasure, therapeutic or medicinal benefits and sometimes (almost in all rare cases where I did recommend a drug) they are more effective than conventional medicine and have actually cured them of their ailments. (I do not enjoy MXE, but it has cured my friends PTSD and now seems to be helping with my mothers neurophatic pain where only tramadol would have little effect, even after months of residual pain, now small 10mg doses seem to be ridding her of it all together)

There are things I do not recommend:
Number one being blindly taking ANY drug especially when prescribed by a professional.. Pharmaceuticals like SSRI's, benzodiazepines or other prescribed 'medicines' that (when not monitored closely for side effects) can actually cause serious problems.
Number two being avoiding any habitual use especially dependency where ever possible. Number three being cocaine use or too frequent use of mdma..

I love responsable drug use and were it not for the fact one learns by experience, I would recommend it to everyone.
 
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SKL said:
I used to promote the use of psychedelics as "mind expansion," and now I consier that to be a whole lot of bullshit. Drugs can be fun, drugs can be interesting, but expanding the mind, carrying some kind of "message of enlightenment," bullshit. I believed in all of that stuff but did not see, in the long term, any benefit to my life, much to the contrary, I fucked up my life tremendously in that phaser of my life even while I felt that I was becoming enlightened and suchlike. It's the path of delusion. Drugs as a recreational activity may or may not be more dangerous than promiscuous sex, driving fast, whatever, but like other activities it's not anything that we can necessarily recommend to anyone.
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I totally agree with the first part of your comment. When I first started doing psychedelics, for the first year or so I thought and felt that they were allowing me to think beyond what I was capable of normally. But later I realized that hardly anything can beat a sober head for cognitive tasks. Yeah, creativity may be enhanced by psychedelics or cannabis, but hard logic often suffers instead. And I'm not a creative person, I deal with science.

As for the original question, I'm all for the sensible use of drugs, but I rarely advocate it, though at times I do. Most often it happens in a situation where there seems to be no other way for the person but to use something, so I try to suggest more benign alternatives like cannabis. But generally I believe one should not try to persuade a person in either direction (for or against), unless the person is really unable to make rational decisions themselves. The person should be provided with sufficient OBJECTIVE information about the drug - the good, the bad and the ugly. But the decision is in the end made by that and only that person.
 
Nah, only if you really need slash want em.

If you are perfectly content with your life,there is no reason to even go ás far as caffeine. Do drink coffee, since that's good for you... The drug is not as important.

I think it would be cool! If everyone on earth got a breakthrough dmt trip at 18 yet that's not to say it would be an overall good thing.

If you are happy without drugs fuckin don't do em. Unless if you are curious enough to try them, then go ahead. They aren't simple toys though.

Drugs solve so many problems but I'm not one to pretend that they're the answer. Does that make sense?
 
I think the majority of people could benefit from the therapeutic use of psychedelics, dissociatives, and mdma/mda.

Booze and cannabis improve my quality of life but are not for everyone.

Hard drugs, nahhh.
 
^ nuts, imo. "The majority of people?" The therapeutic use of psychedelics is, at best, and probably IMO not even like this, like Freudian psychoanalysis, a rather esoteric method of therapy for psychological issues that is accessible only to certain people in certain contexts.

And "hard drugs" of course depends on the definition.
 
SKL said:
I used to promote the use of psychedelics as "mind expansion," and now I consier that to be a whole lot of bullshit. Drugs can be fun, drugs can be interesting, but expanding the mind, carrying some kind of "message of enlightenment," bullshit. ...It's the path of delusion.
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That's just like, your opinion man.

And as it happens, not supported by facts. Recent studies by MAPS and underground therapists have shown over 80% success rate at treating PTSD with MDMA.

It's not accurate to extrapolate your experience to a population, especially one so large as the human race, and with the 10,000+ year history of psychedelics.
 
SKL said:
^ nuts, imo. "The majority of people?" The therapeutic use of psychedelics is, at best, and probably IMO not even like this, like Freudian psychoanalysis, a rather esoteric method of therapy for psychological issues that is accessible only to certain people in certain contexts.

And "hard drugs" of course depends on the definition.
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I wasn't referring to fixing specific psychological issues as much as gaining a new perspective on things that would have been difficult to attain through sobriety. I don't really consider psychedelics as any sort of path to enlightenment; they are just a tool that has the ability to remove many of the filters on the human mind gained through millennia of natural selection and survival instinct that allows some unique and valuable insights into consciousness and such. Of course, they might be detrimental for a certain percentage of people but I've honestly seen the vast majority of people who use psychedelics responsibly gain some sort of awareness or knowledge that can be applied to their life and do some good. I appreciate your opinion on the subject and don't spout out spunion nonsense like "DMT is the key to life" or "a thumbprint dose of LSD-25 will clear your kharma and take you to permanent enlightenment" but I do think they can be rather valuable tools.

"Hard" drugs is kind of an individualized term but I mean opioids, benzodiazepines, barbiturates, amphetamines, and cocaine when I use it. I wouldn't "advocate" any of those drugs' use outside the observation of doctors. I should really include alcohol in this category but it's never created significant problems for me.
 
Guess im the only one who thinks all drugs should be legal and accessible. Maybe some sttings attached such as having to take some classes or something and getting a license to use.. and or them coming with directions warnings and pictures of ppl who went too far like they do with cigarettes..

Honesttly if meth was legal most people would probably still just drink or maybe be closet smokers a couple times a year.. and drunk ppl act a fool so the societal implications would he minimal imo. Honestly nothing would really change.. ppl fucked up in public or breaking laws would still go to jail.
 
Felonious Monk said:
That's just like, your opinion man.

And as it happens, not supported by facts. Recent studies by MAPS and underground therapists have shown over 80% success rate at treating PTSD with MDMA.

It's not accurate to extrapolate your experience to a population, especially one so large as the human race, and with the 10,000+ year history of psychedelics.
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Not in position to speak for SKL, but I think you somewhat missed the point. It is indeed great news that psychedelics/MDMA are proving to be useful for such problems or disorders, but in my opinion it doesn't really count as "mind expansion" or some kind of "enlightenment". Mind expansion is when you can suddenly really understand quantum theory, not come to terms with some deep problem you have.

I don't like the term "soul" because I think it's a stupid concept, but I would say psychedelics and empathogens may be good for expanding the soul, but not mind. Coming up with pseudoscientific "revelations" doesn't count as expanding one's mind in my books.
 
Agoraphobiaphile said:
Guess im the only one who thinks all drugs should be legal and accessible. Maybe some sttings attached such as having to take some classes or something and getting a license to use.. and or them coming with directions warnings and pictures of ppl who went too far like they do with cigarettes..

Honesttly if meth was legal most people would probably still just drink or maybe be closet smokers a couple times a year.. and drunk ppl act a fool so the societal implications would he minimal imo. Honestly nothing would really change.. ppl fucked up in public or breaking laws would still go to jail.
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I think they should all be legal too... why not make everything safer? Age restrictions or an idea like getting a license to use, both good ideas to help people be safer.

I suppose I would promote it, drugs can really change a person for the better or for the worse. They aren't all bad if used in moderation and safely. You can learn a lot from them too. They can also make people more open minded.
 
I think SKL sayin that psychs don't lead to automatic revelations and monky sayin they are effective in therapeutic context.

Different contexts.

Psychs CAN help, doesn't mean we need them or should use them expecting spiritual healing.

Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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