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Do women ever invalidate men in order to control them?

Heresy

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I feel like im in this situation alot (mostly at work), where one is in what looks like a positive and normal work relationship with a female worker but over time people start to act differently around that individual and realizes that this female worker posted a bunch of bad pictures of this individual due to feeling rejected or something.

This happens to me alot (im kind of an asexual), and I dont really know for sure if its a diplomatic way of saying "if I cant have you than no one can". Men can definently be possessive but its way more visible than with women. I feel like we have a tendency to throw a wrench in the gears as opposed to women fixing a device in there causing it to break down over time.

More soo for group concious scenarios (like work and school), is it common for women to express how much they want to control someone by making them look really bad to other potential love candidates? Is this why I have to be a jerk now?
 
Women can be very, very vindictive if they feel they've been wronged or hurt. You'd be amazed to what lengths a women will actually go to get some type of revenge. It scares the shit out of me, to be honest.
 
Women, more often when in relationships, can stretch out a "revenge" over the course of months. Sometimes I get stuff thrown in my face 5 or 6 weeks later by my girl that I don't even remember doing, and she has set a long series of events in motion to ensure my failure at something I'm trying to do.
 
I would use the word devalue, over invalidate, but I think I know what you are trying to say.

Distributing compromising images of you is a very disturbed thing for anyone to do. That someone would go out of their way to "shame you" definitely says more about them and their interpersonal relationship style than about you as an individual.

If you believe this person has crossed that line--especially if you have some proof--I would use any legitimate means of recourse that is available to you through your workplace.

If it is just a matter of her supposedly moving around in circles behind your back, their may be little you can do but realize that it is now a matter of putting her reproachable actions in perspective.

I wish I could give you more specific advice, but I think we all need something a little less amorphous of a description to work from.

:)


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Its not really specific advice I need. I just kinda came to that conclusion after trying to figure out why I would think alot of the women that are vindictive towards me could potentially make great politicians?

I think someones plan against me recently went horribly wrong and it ended with us both leaving the work place. Nothing I could do about it now; but I took that dissonance really personally as I normally (and abnormally for the sake of growing up with a very female dominate family and not understanding this) would and just decided to reassess social conditions and how much power women seem to have at integrating and disintegrating constructs.

As a male I feel like I put all my effort into being civilized so I can eventually be primitive and procreate like any mammal would. Men seem to own the world at the moment but if we didnt get laid over that fact; world domination wouldnt be worth our time. Imagine how unmotivated unisexual(not sure how right that is) music would sound?

With all the pseuo-intellectual stuff aside; it makes sense to me. I feel like there was alot of bad info in the air about me at work but since I cleaned up a bit and got my life on track; people are getting upset that they might not be correct about me being a sleazy failure. I have alot of enemies I dont know about; what gets me the most is how its more traditional to act on it impulsively as opposed to talking about it. Im having a hard time trusting people after having this happen to me one too many times. With a lifetime of this I still never got a single apology regardless of the many I gave out.

At this point I feel like my lack of sexual orientation is offending people to the point of making me feel like I cant do anything about it. Its probably the same stuff every guy goes through; but the way I react to it has made me very immobile and inverted still in my early 20's.
 
"hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

That's the strongest proverb I've ever known, only because I've experienced it a lot of times.
Don't mess with a woman's pride, she's capable of killing you for that.
Damn I don't like women a lot, maybe 'cause I have kind of the same mindset as them.
 
Not all women are like this - but there are women out there that can be pure evil. Usually the ones that are pretty miserable and already down on themselves - so when they feel rejected it makes them lash out.

No need to tip toe around them, nor feel you need to be an arsehole... just be confident and strong and you shall over come those miserable types.

in fact if you sense the warning signs then just steer clear from the word go.

it would be a shame if you let the shitty actions of some women taint your whole view and perception of the female species....you would be no better than the evil ones if you were to treat women poorly because you are afraid. It all stems down to fear and how people cope with it.

Be the better person and just be yourself and take life as it comes.
 
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but if a man lays a hand on a woman, there's instantly a gaggle of red faced women climbing head over heels to have a go at him for being an abusive partner.
not that i'm supporting violence against women, or in a relationship at all,
but fuck sexual equality.
it's a real joke.
 
^

That's moving off on a tangent. But I do agree that their is often a blind eye turned toward the psychological and emotional abuse that a female will dish out as an expression of her desire to affect an outcome.


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I think someone's plan against me recently went horribly wrong and it ended with us both leaving the work place. Nothing I could do about it now; but I took that dissonance really personally as I normally (and abnormally for the sake of growing up with a very female dominate family and not understanding this) would and just decided to reassess social conditions and how much power women seem to have at integrating and disintegrating constructs.

Sleeping with a co-worker is risky. I know that I now refuse to do that. Why dip into the fish tank at work? when there are plenty of fish in the sea to choose from?
 
I'm not sure if I'm getting exactly what you're communicating. I think you're questioning whether women will cock-block or distort one's image with mirrors and stealth in order to bring him down in the eyes of his co-workers.

Speaking from the experience of my childhood and youth, combined with 20+ years of working primarily as an independent contractor with both women and men, I can answer emphatically, "yes." I hope that's the form of answer you're lookign for.

I reached womanhood many years ago, but I was quite tomboy-ish in childhood. In adulthood, I'm neither butch nor femme, I'm just me.

I have worked for, and with, many clients as an employee, employer and consultant and I can certainly testify to the fact that while men *can* be loud-mouthed, heavy-handed blowhards at their worst, women can at their worst puurr at you for days, confiding in you about work, their lives, their children and their outside life, establishing what you think is at least a workable professional relationship even if you would prefer to keep personal material outside of the relationship.

The same woman, though, who has spent days confiding in you her worries about her son and the chances of success of the direct-marketing campaign, will quite casually turn around the following day and lay you and your entire department off with a smile. With no apology. She will wreak havoc on you without batting an eyelash.

So, yes, it does seem to work like that. Not all women are like that by any means. And when I described the bad behavior of some men, I wasn't condemning the entire half of the species as blowhard, jock-grabbing, arrogant, lying pricks who will steal the last dime out of your granny's bra while verbally mincing you into chopped liver in front of your entire staff.

But generally, a certain type of guy will take you down loudly and publicly, in front of your work peers, or worse, your staff. They will let you know they're your enemies. A woman who has a similar opinion of you, will have you over for her granny's 100th birthday, seat you right next to her, tell you to say "cheese" when the shutter clicks, and go on (into the next week, in public) about how lovely the day was. Then disassemble you brick by brick over the same week, disseminating whispered character defamation that leaves the entire team with the idea that you've molested kittens in their graves and enjoyed it immensely. Jeez, I hope that had something to do with your question. It's getting very late here.

It may seem from my response that I harbor a lot more resentment towards women, which is not accurate. What I tried to do was to mirror the actions of the different groups in my response. Men who beahve badly tend to do so abruptly and openly with a lot of loud braggadocio and crowing. Women who behave badly tend to set up their plans behind the scenes and let their plans unroll as they go about their daily business; likewise, the conclusion of their well-laid plans is rarely as up-front or brief as those of their male counterparts.

I don't really think either is worse. Although as a woman, I find it easier to deal with man-style. It's just more obvious and upfront, like a 2-point play that's based on blocking hard enough and long enough, while hoping the guy jumping over the bodies will jump high enough. It is what it is.

There's not a female equivalent in that analogy. Or if there is, I don't know it, because I don't know much about Am. football. It's good to understand how the schemes of different people function in order to recognize them and, hopefully, avoid becoming entangled in them. That's basically why I wrote a book on it here in this thread. But I hope that in some way I answered a bit of your question.

Then there's my str8 female cousin who, unbeknownst to me, would cock-block every male trying to hook up with me when we were out at night at a bar, playing pool or something. It took me a LONG time to figure out certain social dynamics, and I only heard about this from guys who were friends but were trying to get with me. I still don't understand that one. Maybe someone can shed some light? I don't want to derail the thread, but maybe it's related?
 
The short answer: Because it is all about her.

I just don't understand how difficult it is to let you be, and work on attracting other available men?

Maybe envy was at play here, or maybe she was just being a self-involved manipulative lose all.
 
I had an ex that would consistently cockblock me when our circle of friends met randomly at a club. Cockblockers deserve hell.
 
Artaxerxes, that's exactly what I was proposing that most coed social situations can seem like russian politics completely. Honestly its me over simplifying others and making myself up to be complex. The same simpletons are more than capable of committing the same evils as I would be capable of if not more.

Women have always been vice versa, them being the complex ones compared to simple me. Little did I know that the tables for that had been turned on me the minute they start to take an interest in me. Fitting into my self proposed label as a simple and maybe even dumb person was the issue. Since I decided to act contrary to what they thought of me (sleazy, pompous, fuck everything that moves), I think that's when their pride felt challenged. I feel like I should avoid these types anyways regardless of how gorgeous they are and how well they mastered the feminine art of artifice (in the end it still means "artificial" yet superficiality is too easy to appreciate)

I can't relate to the "I haven't had sex in a week, I'm going crazy" crowd unfortunately. Sorry ladies, just don't kill me over it I'm still growin up.
 
Men are confrontational. Women will sabotage you behind your back. Unfortunately, this makes it all the more difficult to prove. You will think you are losing your mind. The last poster was correct; women are artificial and should not be trusted.
 
Men are confrontational. Women will sabotage you behind your back. Unfortunately, this makes it all the more difficult to prove. You will think you are losing your mind. The last poster was correct; women are artificial and should not be trusted.

Don't wanna say that about all women tho ;)
 
Don't wanna say that about all women tho ;)

Be careful. Thinking one woman is different from another is the precise moment when a man has been tricked. They may try and guilt you into thinking their individuals though. Some call this degrading process 'love' only to find out later it was a false alarm.
 
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