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Real_Illusion

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In alot of other threads here (especially the one on the mitsubishis) there are people saying that stamp means absolutely nothing. I personally have to disagree.

They certainly are far from a truly reliable method of judging if you got good pills or not, I'm not trying to say they are. It is true that people can make a pill with anything they want in it, and put any stamp they want on it. However..... if your relatively in tune with the local drug scene, and you heard of a batch of <insert stamp here> that was pretty good that your friend dropped 3 days before, and he can get more. If you hear from another friend that they can get some pills of that same stamp, then although they aren't neccesarily good pills.....it's very likely that they are. Especially if you take into consideration lots of little things (alot of pills have a line kind of around the edge, some dont, some have little speckles on them, some dont....etc.....) so there's alot of attributes to a pill other than the stamp that you can use for judgement.

If your going on a pill testing site, and you see that there was a batch of white supermans from 5 years ago that were good, and decide its straight to pop 5 of the white supermans you just bought, that's obviously retarded...and whenver you buy pills you shouldnt take more than 1 or 2 until you've tried them/tested them first.

At the same time, I still feel that stamps can give you a hint as to how they might be if your "in the know" on the local drug scene, or if there's a pill on a testing site from near you that has been tested recently. The hint can very well be a total lie, so in the end it's nothing solid, but it's more of a clue than if every roll looked exactly the same.

I guess maybe I'm just rambling, but those are my thoughts.
 
Real_Illusion said:
However..... if your relatively in tune with the local drug scene, and you heard of a batch of <insert stamp here> that was pretty good that your friend dropped 3 days before, and he can get more. If you hear from another friend that they can get some pills of that same stamp, then although they aren't neccesarily good pills.....it's very likely that they are. Especially if you take into consideration lots of little things (alot of pills have a line kind of around the edge, some dont, some have little speckles on them, some dont....etc.....) so there's alot of attributes to a pill other than the stamp that you can use for judgement.
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I agree with you tbh, and have found if you know what's going around in your area and all of your large friendship groups then it can be a good clue as to what to expect.
 
Pill stamps mean nothing. You should never rely on what is stamped on a pill to be a guarantee of content (Look at at the blue dolphins there are floating around)

If you want to know what is in your pill then I highly suggest getting a test kit. A pill could look the same as yours but could contain something completely different. (ie: the manufacturer could use the same press and dye to create a pill with different contents).

Is there a possibility that the pill posted on pillreports is yours? Most definitely. Should you rely on that alone? Absolutely not.

Please be safe.
 
I agree with the OP in that it's one of the few things we have to go on before you actually obtain them and test. As suggested, though, even in the same supposed batch, same looking pills, there are duds or worse.
 
Atleast the stamp on the pill give you a starting point...if you know that good pills in your area have a certain press then you can look for the press when you buy. if you find a pill with that stamp...atleast you know that there is a posibility of you getting a good pill rather then buying a stamp you have no info about. Then you can test to confirm.
 
Real illusion........your talking cross purposes here.

The reason we say that a stamp means nothing is because many people believe that any pill with X stamped on it is the same as the one from years ago they had that blew there mind or was a dud or whatever.

Yes, obviously if your mate has a pill stamped X and you also managed to get a pill at the same time with the same stamp, then there is a good chance they are out of the same batch.......

HOWEVER

There is also a good chance that its a copycat. Its been well reported that if a certain stamp gets a good name that others will try to hop on the bandwagon and copy that stamp or even use the same exact stamp but press total crap.

As you said, there are many other factors to take into account such as dimensions, rim, colours, specks etc etc etc.

Use pill reports and also use a test kit.
 
Yeah I recently started rolling (I've only done it twice)...and I'm keeping it to a once per month type of deal... I have had alot of experience with drugs in the past though, and my friends call me a human erowid, so I know how to be responsible more or less. But yeah, I guess it'd be a good idea for me to invest a small amount of $ into a test kit :)
 
matt2012 said:
Atleast the stamp on the pill give you a starting point...if you know that good pills in your area have a certain press then you can look for the press when you buy. if you find a pill with that stamp...atleast you know that there is a posibility of you getting a good pill rather then buying a stamp you have no info about. Then you can test to confirm.
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So true. Far too many pills have flooded the market,that it's possible(speaking from experience)to have the same stamp and have it turn out to be a different pill in the same town within a given week. Blue dolphins are a prime example of this. The only surefire methods are test kits and word of mouth....from your friends,not the internet.
 
here's a scenario for ya:

Good chemist decides to produce a batch of 100k pills. . . recipee is clean and good. Decides to make them blue and stamps it with something, say a star. These blue stars hit the market. See most people don't understand how the market works and so we get threads like this. . .

After production those 100k get distributed to say 2-5 suppliers. This happens in about a week. At this point the public hasn't even seen them yet but other chemists have since at this lvl of the market it's a very small world.

Bad chemist realizes that these pills will create a buzz and be in demand once they hit the end users so he quickly creates a copy cat batch and sends them to his suppliers.

In 1-3 weeks depending on the various market set ups both these batches finally get to the end users (in the clubs and circulating around the town). Same color and same press (stamp) but different recipees.

THAT's scenario 1 where a color and stamp is meaningless. . . (and please don't think this is uncommon)

Scenario 2:

Bad chemist wants to creat a batch. He makes 10k with a good recipee. Makes them say blue with a smiley stamp. (I call these add tabs) Then he makes 100k with a dirty crappy recipee. He releases the 10k a few days ahead of the 100k to his suppliers. This way he can create his own buzz in the end user market for his tabs based on the 10k good ones and fill the subsequent demand with the 100k bunk tabs.

Obviously as with scenario 1 stamp and color are meaningless. . .

the point is by the time the end users actually gain access to a batch it's allready had pleanty of time to have been copied which creates a need for testing as well as greedy bad chemists who use two different recipees for the same color and press. So please . . . unless you know your chemist or are pretty high up in the supply chain DO NOT rely on the color or stamp of a pill.

Not to mention chemists have access to pill reports (and other pill review areas) just as we do and since they're in the business to sell their particular product it's in their best interest to make the public want them. . . think marketing and advertising here people :)

anyway just a few things for everyone to think about. . . TEST TEST TEST and BE safe.

fight the spread of false information with facts :D
 
Do what you will with it. . .

believe it. . . don't. . .

either way it's undeniabely a possibility. . .

regardless of weather you decide to read my words as real or merely hypothetical the added bit of caution will most certainly not be detrimental so why not.
 
ClubNymphs said:
Do what you will with it. . .

believe it. . . don't. . .

either way it's undeniabely a possibility. . .

regardless of weather you decide to read my words as real or merely hypothetical the added bit of caution will most certainly not be detrimental so why not.
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I already know of the scenarios you speak of, and yes, they do happen. That's why as I said it obviously isn't a surefire way of judging pills, and should never be considered a reliable method. I was simply saying, it is better than nothing.

Moreover, although said scenarios DO happen...it's not as common as you'd think. As long as you know what your doing, compared to how big your profit margin is, you make alot of money sellling ecstasy even if you produce real MDMA rather than bunk pills. MDMA is cheap enough to produce your not losing much money by just making real MDMA rather than bunk. In addition, if you go around ripping people off, not only do you risk revenge upon you, but you also screw up your chances of future business, especially if your new in the game. If you are known for selling bunk pills, people won't come back to you. On the flip side, if you got a good reputation, and have sold alot of great pills for a while, you realize the shitloads of money you can make by selling legit pills, don't even need to rip people off to begin with as your already making enough money, and realize if you did it may hurt your reputation and therefore future revenue. So, in a nutshell, unless you plan on getting out of the game real soon, or moving to a different area, or just got busted and need to make some money real quick to pay for a lawyer, it simply isn't wise to sell bunk pills.

Granted, there are alot of stupid people out there that don't make the wisest decisions, so bunk pills do show up on the market often, or pills with dangerous shit in them. But at the same time, the people who are stupid and making bunk pills usually arent high enough on the food chain to know about transactions of tens of thousands of pills before they go down and etc. There are exceptions obviously, hence why you should never totally rely on stamps. I'm just saying, they aren't totally useless.
 
stamps mean nothing ive had pills with the cleanest stamp with the purest color etc. and it been the worst pill ive ever had you cant tell if a pill is good or nto jsut by sight unless your friend or aquaintence has had the pill in the area and has told u it was good ultimately the only way of telling weather a pill is good or not is to test it with a testing kit...
 
i wasn't saying atall that's it's any "gaurantee" by no means would i ever even suggest that, i think it's pretty obvious that if there were 0 stamps and every pill looked 100% the same, then there would be a LOT more trouble and problems with E, so to some extent the stamps help to clue people atleast to some degree and you cannot deny that.
 
I think pills are better off with presses, however, as said before they are not and should not be used as a means of positive identification. I personally know a few people who press pills, and one of them presses "mock pills", he notes the color/press of the better pills in town, and makes copies of them either with less mdma, or with entirely different drugs.
 
If you live in a relatively small town like me, chances are the same press from the same guy are gonna be the same thing. I've had the same press from a different guy be totally different though...

Crowns have only just come back and I ain't seen them since before christmas...And they are still just as good as they used to be!
 
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