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DMT, MDMA or LSD whats worse and why?

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So what would you say which is them most dangerous which is the most rewarding and why?

Okay allot of you didn't get the question right. I'm having a debate with my friends and I say that DMT isn't so super dangerous as they say and that (I'm not really sure about this) you can't get a real horror trip on it. Because the high is to short even though it could seem like years and because it is more like a dream. I've never taken it though so this is what I know about it.

This isn't "should I take the drug?" Thread. But they say you should have lots of experience before you try it else you won't be able to take it while on it. Is it that dangerous or are LSD and XTC worse in terms of getting horror highs. We're talking high doses.


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-Lars
 
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They all are dangerous and rewarding in there own ways and I think you kind of answered your own questions tbh...
 
In terms of, what is easiest to fatally overdose on? MDMA.

In terms of, what is the most intense psychedelic, hence could cause panic/anxiety as well as a life-changing spiritual experience? DMT.


In terms of, what is the longest lasting and can cause intense, prolonged ego death? LSD.

So it really depends on what you mean by "what's worse".
 
lars90 said:
Is it that dangerous or are LSD and XTC worse in terms of getting horror highs. We're talking high doses.
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You will most likely not have a bad time on molly (X, E, whatever you wanna call it) no matter what. it's very happy-go-lucky and one dimensional, it's just the nature of the drug. LSD and DMT however, have a greater potential for producing difficult trips. the nature of the tryptamine high is simply much more variable and much deeper. you are somewhat correct in saying that the length of LSD may make you more prone to a "horror trip" as you put it, but you have to realize you will be making that assessment as you look back at the trip. at the moment you're tripping, whether on DMT or LSD, that feeling of "horror" you'd like to avoid will be just as real and just as intense, if that's where your mind is going to take you.

personally, i don't think there's a such thing as a "bad trip". most certainly, there are difficult and horrifying moments that can surface in ANY trip, and hould those feelings arise during an LSD trip, being a longer acting psychedelic they will likely last for longer, though they can and will be overcome.

that being said, despite its shorter time frame, DMT is MUCH more vivid and intense. not horrific or nasty or bad or ugly. just INTENSE, any way you slice it. if you want the ranger to take you straight to the co-ed dance at the lodge, take some X. if you want the opportunity to go explore the untamed wilderness with nothing but the clothes on your back and your own intuition, take some LSD. if you want to be abducted by aliens and shot out of a hyper-galactic cannon into the center of the universe, take some DMT.
 
I've taken all of the drugs described by OP and I'd list LSD as most dangerous one. It's length if you happen to have a bad trip can lead to psychosis. I've experienced it myself and had friends do it aswell, one whom never really came back to planet earth. He spent over a year in a mental institution after taking LSD once only at one of our parties. He was still a bit wacko when I met him (lots of crazy ideas from reading books of David Icke). Maybe it wasn't just the LSD, maybe he was semi-crazy before but you'd never know. At least he didn't think he could teleport through walls which he told me he was gonna do to get out of the mental hospital.

MDMA seems relatively safe as long as you stay hydrated enough (but not too much) and watch your dosage (don't use XTC pills).

DMT is an intense overwhelming psychedlic experience but it's over really fast. You don't have that much time, or capacity, to think about what has gone wrong and why if you start feeling bad.
 
If you are talking about one time (or limited) use for a psychologically stable person, all three are very safe.

Imbued reward is subjective and gets close to the "what should I take" question, so value there can't really be determined.
 
intresting posts see i thought dmt highs feel like years when your trippingnjust like amthirdnpletau dxm or ketamin high. crazy shit! yeah they all say dmt is really really bad and you should be a pychonaut (haven taken many highs) before yoi can do dmt else it will destroy you but its way to short huh? is it safe to do it if you not expericed? again this isent a should i take it thread a sirous question
 
ugh that misconception is too prevalent.

with DMT, yes a breakthrough dose WILL shatter your reality. but we must remember that the experience is dose dependent, just as with ANY other drug.

if you smoke 10mg of DMT you are not going to breakthrough.

as far as being physically safe, DMT is VERY physically safe, one might even say safer than LSD, which is safe to begin with.
 
I would say DMT is the safest, since it only lasts a little bit. You might come out of it with your mind blown and your world upside down, but your safe

LSD and MDMA is a toss up for me, in terms of which is more dangerous. Most the time it's not the actual drug being sold, just some RC. Which can be deadly if your not aware of it. But in a perfect world LSD would be safer, you can take more of it then MDMA before you OD. You might be tripping for a day or so but you will live. With

All this aside I prefer MDMA. I never tried DMT before though.
 
lars90 said:
intresting posts see i thought dmt highs feel like years when your trippingnjust like amthirdnpletau dxm or ketamin high. crazy shit! yeah they all say dmt is really really bad and you should be a pychonaut (haven taken many highs) before yoi can do dmt else it will destroy you but its way to short huh? is it safe to do it if you not expericed? again this isent a should i take it thread a sirous question
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You don't need to shatter your reality with DMT. It can be a nice psychedlic experience that lasts ~15 mins with a lower dosage too, without it resulting in you ending up on some alien planet without having packed your bags =D
 
^^^ I know I've opted for that route intentionally, many times... the scarcity of spice--the real spice--is a damn shame.
 
Toz said:
You don't need to shatter your reality with DMT. It can be a nice psychedlic experience that lasts ~15 mins with a lower dosage too, without it resulting in you ending up on some alien planet without having packed your bags =D
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but whats the point of dmt if you dont shatter your riality i mean. isent that why people trynit because then wanna take a trip though them selves?
 
totally depends on what you think of as "worse"
imho:

risk of lasting psychological effects (anxiety, ...):
LSD>MDMA>DMT

risk of accidently overdosing:
LSD>DMT=MDMA

chance of having a bad experience:
LSD>DMT>MDMA

risk of physical damage:
MDMA>DMT>LSD

on the other hand:
chance of getting profound, useful insights:
LSD>DMT>MDMA

maximum euphoria attainable:
LSD= DMT>MDMA

chance of attaining said euphoria:
MDMA>DMT>LSD

potential to have your mind completely blown in a good way:
DMT>LSD>>MDMA



lars90 said:
but whats the point of dmt if you dont shatter your riality i mean. isent that why people trynit because then wanna take a trip though them selves?
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not necessarily. i have smoked it more often in a social situation where other people would use cannabis than i've shattered my reality with it. you can also keep yourself in a non-breakthrough tripping state for hours by redosing. so in contrast to lsd or mushrooms you can choose how long you want to trip. it's also a great music enhancer at low doses.
 
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Black said:
totally depends on what you think of as "worse"
imho:

risk of lasting psychological effects (anxiety, ...):
LSD>MDMA>DMT

risk of accidently overdosing:
LSD>DMT=MDMA

chance of having a bad experience:
LSD>DMT>MDMA

risk of physical damage:
MDMA>DMT>LSD

on the other hand:
chance of getting profound, useful insights:
LSD>DMT>MDMA

maximum euphoria attainable:
LSD= DMT>MDMA

chance of attaining said euphoria:
MDMA>DMT>LSD

potential to have your mind completely blown in a good way:
DMT>LSD>>MDMA




not necessarily. i have smoked it more often in a social situation where other people would use cannabis than i've shattered my reality with it. you can also keep yourself in a non-breakthrough tripping state for hours by redosing. so in contrast to lsd or mushrooms you can choose how long you want to trip. it's also a great music enhancer at low doses.
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Finally the post I was looking for thanks for that man ... really helped me out there :) <3

how often have you done ech of the drugs?
 
The way it's synthesized determines how strong the MDMA is, or potentially how neruotoxic It is as well. "neurotransmitter involved in the regulation of mood, appetite, sleep cycles, and more. MDMA's mechanism of action is complicated to anyone unfamiliar with general neuroscience, and again is not fully understood, by the end result of ingesting MDMA causes an increased concentration of serotonin in synapses (spaces between nerve cells). This results in the characteristic euphoria, empathy, and general love that most users experience.

(I AM NOT PROMOTING THE USE OF ANY SUBSTANCE, BE IT LEGAL OR ILLEGAL=) THIS purely for educational purposes and harm reduction information. By no means trust In what i what I have to say. all of the information was provided by google and my head. NONE of it is proven fact, as the internet is a sea potentially useless information, Wikipedia for example. as my knowledge is limited, I ask you not to take any of it seriously =P And i was under the influence of Mdma and a little bit of dmt tea, so forgive any miss spelling or punctuation.)



Read more: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108415#ixzz30TqRFpUk" we only know what MDMA is sympathized from and what it does and the effect it has on your brain. Maybe party hard or go home kind of http://ratemygurn.co.uk/ feeling, or the old school Love anything you see and touch type of euphoria. Like Lsd, it's not the ingredients that is the hard bit, it's how you use them.

If IT'S noT !!SEe THROUGH!!!! CRYSTALS, white crystals, cloudly, It is most likely NOT Mdma! SEE thRoUgh CrySTaLs!, please reFrain from TAKing IT unless you feel the uncontrollable urge to put a mystery substance into you're body putting your hole way of life a risk, You have no idea how that mystery, synthetic, chemical is going to react to your neurotransmitters and the chemical imbalance in your brain; You may cause permanent damage to the synapse's, hence your emotions going in which ever way they want to. Especially when new research chemicals are being invented faster than the government/a small group of oligarchs who are in a position to put the law and knowledge ever individual drug 1 at time.

A substance policy needs to be "written" up, the recent rise in research chemicals being synthesized is good news for big business like tobacco and alcohol industry's, for one it puts fear into people taking the substances like MDMA, and lsd and even synthetic cannabis is out they're, luckily it smells like burning catnip. Sales of tobacco and alochol would of plummeted also; any idiot can grow weed, their is no money to be made from cannabis; tobacco takes a year to two years to cure before you can smoke it i believe. Brewing alcohol to the same standard, be it the legal poison it is, is a fine art. Ask yourself this, if tobacco was never made publicized/commercial, who would be stupid enough smoke it?


MDMA being a different color, it's a good indication that it's not been purged properly most commonly brown, or yellow i have seen. A common roomer around my area, is that if it is brown, it is over cooked, This is false, simply looking at a paragraph or two on the internet tells me you yield up to 3x more Mdma when you don't purge/crystallize it. So it's possibly in peoples interest to make up roomers like that,money is the root of all evil i guess. Makes it not necessarily more neurotoxic, but without doubt, unclean,(don't quote me on that one) Ever tried un-purged hash oil? Disgusting, had a quick look on how to synthesize MDMA properly; It shows in the purging/crystallization of Mdma,the final stage of synthesis.


Be my sources are much to reclusive, timid, stonners, they don't know anyone who makes it themselves, eg. the lab in your local chemist. But they are not idiots, I know even crystal form mdma can be mimicked by literally 100's of research chemicals, or more commonly bunk pills at £10 a pop going at my local club. the sweat box that is clubbing surrounded by "chavy idiots gurning and chewing there gums off on some dirty speed, If you haven't taken Pure mdma before, you wouldn't know the difference. Psytrance converted me, and hopefully you: https://www.facebook.com/anneelise.hansen?fref=ts.


"Alas no single "magic bullet" yet exists that replicates the subjective effects of MDMA on a long-term basis. Hence most of us are doomed to display the quasi-psychopathic indifference to each other characteristic of the MDMA-naïve state" Personally I think its mind over matter with the comedown, your mindset, even months after, be it most likely a placebo affect, but just having one amazing experience with Mdma or a better example would be Lsd or mushrooms, can put someone in a happy, enlightened mindset,-or the opposite and everything in-between- but from experience, dmt is the most long lasting.

Holding onto the feeling of synthesized drugs like Mdma and even lsd in my mind, isn't healthy; the resplendence of the feeling You know, (pardon the pun) tripping that part of your brain that remembers that feeling and emotion felt at that time and can, don't get me wrong, can give good, happy experiences without any substance abuse atal, but relating to the drug as you do , either by music or being in the same place as you tripped.

The feeling of lsd is sharp edged, forceful, synthesized, only the strong minded should take it in my opinion, that likes to question reality as much as possible and doesn't try to hide from existence's unsatisfying causality issue. The only real danger of taking LSD apart from research chemicals of course! Is if you are sensitive in your mind to negative thought, and feeling any sort mental instability. Psychedelics are not for everyone, psilocybin mushrooms seem to have longer lasting and cleaner feel to them in this respect, everyone is different though. LSD it's to forceful, It brings out that little bit more of you, your emotions that you may subdue, be it good or bad.

My ex girlfriend and her first psychedelic experience. We both agreed she wouldn't take for months before hand and was happy with it. I've done LSD exactly 11 times in my life time and around her. She got upset and a little aggressive when i didn't offer her one, hence the rest asking me why i wouldn't. I didn't want to put her down in front of everyone, so in moment of weakness and silent anger, i gave her a tab. It's anonymous so it doesn't matter: She had "diagnosed" bipolar. Her and her friend just couldn't control there emotions, one minute they were literally full on crying about something like the floor looking weird, seriously, and then a couple minutes of crying later they would be over the moon with euphoria and happiness. I managed to calm her down and get her in a good mind set on the walk home, about 9 hours into the trip, Lsd+love+sex=most amazing experience of my life, seriously try it if you can someday or even better psilocybin muchrooms, the acid is just too intence in my opinion for something as exzuberating as sex .

If you've never done lsd before and you happen to accidentally stumble upon a bunk chemical eg 25i-MBOME; The only research chemical I've mistakenly ingested, it is, amazingly a psychedelic drug be it's nothing like lsd and yet is, things melt and move more subtlety compared, but it did nothing to my brain or the sense of euphoria from proper psychedelic drugs. Lsd has no taste or smell so if you do end up taking it, IF IT BURNS YOUR Tongue THEN IT'S A SPITTER, Very, very strong cid has a slight metallic taste to it but very weary of it even if it doesn't have a taste. Lsd is so rare and hard to make in the uk, simply because of the ingredients alone are so hard to obtain by law and nature, how amazingly dangerous and complicated it to sympathize. Let alone the risk, intent to supply an unlimited fine and life in imprisonment, Money makes the world motivated, not round.. I AM NOT PROMOTING THE USE OF ANY SUBSTANCE, BE IT LEGAL OR ILLEGAL=) THIS purely for educational purposes and harm reduction information. By all means don't trust what I have to say, None of it is fact. =)
 
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^ Most of the "see through crystals" I've personally tested were methylone. Looks mean nothing. Absolutely nothing.



All drugs can be dangerous, it depends how you use them.. I would say MDMA has the highest potential for long lasting changes to brain chemistry, though. LSD and DMT can cause some MAJOR shifts in thinking, but they are nearly always beneficial in some way... even the bad trips teach you something. There's practically a whole forum filled with "ecstasy" casualties, the same kind of thing really just doesn't happen with LSD, and certainly not DMT.
 
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