DMT extraction from mimosa, the mystery compound

[yaesutom]

I wasn't sure if this 'wierd' nasty unpleasant psychoactive thing was actually in mimosa, or somehow generated by how you extract.

I guess I still don't know for sure, but, I got a new batch of mimosa root bark, and every extraction now, i'm ending up with some stuff that when smoked, produces mostly non-DMT effects but something else. There was another thread about someone discovering a b-carboline from his extract a while back.

Well i've brought this up at dmtworld.org, and other people have noticed the strange effects. Whatever it is its got a wide range of effects (maybe more than one compound?), like an "underwater feeling", sometimes really UGLY colors, and lately actually the colors look quite nice - but the shitty effects outweigh any good ones. REALLY long trails, and maybe the one effect I hate the most, although interesting at first, is spacial distortions. Things look bigger, I stand up and feel way taller, things seem further away and bigger, just wierd space distortions. It seems to have a slower onset than DMT, and lasts much longer. And well, it ..sucks.

Here's something someone posted on dmtworld:

on my last extraction, after extracting with heptane I left the base solution sitting in a jar with about 100ml of xylene. I let it sit a few days I think, then separated and evaporated the xylene. 300mg or so of sticky yellow crystals resulted. these were scraped up and washed twice with warm heptane.. a funny yellow goo resulted.. this goo was washed with room temperature distilled water.. 25mg or so of brownish wax remained..

one night I smoked 5mg or so, and got placebo-level effects..

later I smoked the remaining 20mg and got a clearer indication of the effects.. slower onset than dmt, and it seemed to last longer. I would say more like 30 minutes. there was probably some residual dmt in there, but it didn't have the character of a low-dose dmt trip at all.. visually I got some enhancement of line and color, and a shimmering effect.. physically it had a presence in my body, a bodyload I guess you'd call it.. pure dmt doesn't really hit me in the stomach, more like the pineal. the timeline
is what suggests to me most strongly that it wasn't just a dmt effect.. a very small dose of dmt will not be noticeable after 10 minutes at all..

There's talk that its soluble in xylene/etc but not in heptane.. but DMT is soluble in heptane.

I use naptha, i notice if i use toluene i usually get some kind of 'goo'.

Also this stuff sometimes (especially the stuff with a lot of this crap in it) just looves to light on fire! So someone suggested defatting it could be plant oils, but are these plant oils psychoactive? For some reason i'm getting this real bad from the new mimosa, although I have gotten it in the past a little bit. I haven't changed the way I extract...

So other than defatting a few times (which i skip cause, its ..usually not necessary but i'll try it), since I don't have heptane, any clue going by that, a possible way to filter this shit out? If DMT is well soluble in heptane but the shitty mystery compound(s) aren't, is there something with temperature of the naptha, or any other OTC solvent that might help rid my precious DMT of this SHITTY ASS other stuff?

Argh. 8(

 

[Grignard]

Are you sure that DMT is soluble in heptane? It seems like aliphatic hydrocarbons like hexane, heptane, pet. ether are good recrystallizing solvents for DMT, but not good solvents in general. Get yourself some ether or chloroform as DMT is quite readily soluble those solvents. As for what your myster gunk is, fuck knows. Unless you get some quantitative or better qualitative data I don't think anyone can say anything about it with confidence. At the least try to run a TLC on the material your getting or get one of those qualitative narco-test kits for LSD/assorted tryptamines to see if you even have any tryptamine like compound in your final product, or your various washings/extractions.

 

[yaesutom]

Well naptha seems the most widely used solvent for DMT extraction being OTC (i've read heptane ..or maybe it was hexane, or both, is in naptha along with some other stuff, and varies with brand) - and it works noticeably better than xylene/toluene (i always got a goo with those).

I'm getting an LCMS on two different samples of my extracted DMT soon and i'll post the results, one sample is known to cause more of the "shitty" effects and the other one seems "good".

I think my friend said he can also plug into some software and find out how polar/etc DMT and the other shit is, maybe

 

[fastandbulbous]

^ Measuring dipole moments I think

Just a guess, but it might be something along the lines of DMT N-oxide or poss. even N-methyl tryptamine causing the iffy effects

 

[yaesutom]

Well, i think whatever it is its an maoi, probably a beta carboline,

After getting PISSED off tonight extracting some and smoking it and getting those shit effects, i decided to just put some in a capsule and eat it without an maoi - like 160mg i think, well i actually forgot about it.. was talking to someone online, and well i'm feeling it, feels like good old wonderful DMT .

I think orally it doesn't have much of an effect, but i've always known about "jurema" the drink made with just mimosa only, being orally active - and well, ..i'm high right now .. hmm.. i kinda wanna eat some more hehe.

I took around 160mg of the extract, feels like i took an maoi + like.. 60mg DMT or something i guess. Its gotta be the bark, i've extracted 3 times with this kind, and gotten the same results. Sucks, but at least I have a little old bark I can extract for this upcoming weekend to smoke. Actually what i'll do is finish doing naptha pulls on this stuff and maybe let some naptha evaporate to reduce it some, stick it in a jar and put it in the freezer to crystallize - i would hope that somehow only the DMT falls out of solution and the crap stays in, i'd still be getting a shitty yield but if that works hey..

Ahh my pissed off mood is gone POOF! ..i love dmt...i really do . DMT orally is just the shizznit.

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^^ The effects didn't last long at all, 45 minutes maybe. It did feel like DMT though. So later on I took a capsule of rue extract, and maybe an hour or so later took about 190mg of the extract. This time.. I got no noticeable DMT effects, I don't understand that..but, i got effects from the other stuff. I've had these effects before orally when I used moclobemide - the effects are almost sorta pleasant orally, so different than the "shit" effects when smoked i'm assuming it must metabolize into something else when taken orally.. pretty colors, long trails, and quite a mood lift, although I noticed my memory wasn't too good (vocabulary/words mainly). Lasted about 3 hours (DMT orally with maoi usually lasts about 1.5 for me) - I haven't a clue why I didnt feel any DMT specific effects..

I think most people that extract DMT, probably happen to get the "better" mimosa most of the time, and are generally happy with the effects and wouldn't know it unless they've smoked synthetic/pure DMT (which i would very much like to do..). I took 2 grams of the extract and dissolved it back into warm naptha, and stuck it in the freezer, i'll see what kind of xtals form and see if i can somehow separate this shit. There has got to be SOME way i can isolate just the DMT.. argh.