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DMT and heat question

webbykevin

webbykevin

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If too much heat destroys DMT how does boiling viridis with the caapi vine for hours and hours in the ayahuasca brew not hurt it ?
 
I don't think it's too much heat, it's just naked flame right? As far as I was aware you're supposed to vapourise DMT with enormous heat, you just want as little direct contact of flame to DMT.

I may be wrong. Correct me someone if I am.
 
The temperature at which DMT vaporizes via direct lighting is much, much higher than 212 degrees (boiling temperature).
 
In my experience unless the DMT combusts it retains it's potency. Also, when it's on fire it seems to not give off any smoke so blow it out really fast if It does end up catching fire.
 
IamMe90 said:
The temperature at which DMT vaporizes via direct lighting is much, much higher than 212 degrees (boiling temperature).
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This.

Granted, a little is destroyed simply because boiling water is a poor storage medium (quite a bit of moisture and heat there), but you're not vaporizing it.
 
In mimosa hostilis the DMT is *mostly* in the tannic salt form (chech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannin)
This makes it well stable up to 100 degrees centrigrade. However if one were to do a STB tek and heat that up, there might be more freebase that escapes. Still it is in solution with the non-polar solvent that boils off at lower temperatures as well.

This is why it is wise to do an acidic brew and aqueous pull first, then at standard RT environment extract to base.
 
Solipsis said:
In mimosa hostilis the DMT is *mostly* in the tannic salt form (chech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannin)
This makes it well stable up to 100 degrees centrigrade. However if one were to do a STB tek and heat that up, there might be more freebase that escapes. Still it is in solution with the non-polar solvent that boils off at lower temperatures as well.

This is why it is wise to do an acidic brew and aqueous pull first, then at standard RT environment extract to base.
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Agreed. In my experience STB extracted DMT is almost always an inferior product compared to AB/AB extracted DMT also. I think it's mostly laziness and/or greed that lend people to use a straight to base TEK.
 
Thanks for the feedback, I am planning on doing a traditional brew with caapi and viridis both or which i have just enough to do it, but i wanted to try and maximise the results and not stuff it up, the main thing I have found so far about how to do a good brew is to not rush it and maintain as slow and gentle a rolling boil as possible and be prepared to take a couple of day to complete the 2 washes and the final boil.

The main reason for this gentle boiling that I can see is that it prevents the sugars present from undergoing too much of a caramelization (possibly not a real word) and keeping the liquid nice and loose and not all thick and gunky, mckenna reckoned that people in the amazon would comment on the quality of the yage with the thick goopy stuff being an indication of an inexperienced cook, apparently the strength of the harmala or the dmt is not really affected by the excess heat but it's just a lot easier and pleasant to drink if the caramelizing has been minimized, correct me if i'm wrong please.
 
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