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Stimulants Discussing recreational drug use with a psychiatrist. Also concerned about ADD/ADHD

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Spagett

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I am not sure exactly what forum to put this in; if the thread needs to be moved I'm fine with that.

I am still in high school, and I plan on seeing a new psychiatrist on Friday. I am having concerns with whether or not I have ADD/ADHD. Many symptoms are manifesting, including: inattentiveness, inability to concentrate, unable to complete projects/moving from one project to another without finishing, impatience, quite often interrupt others, grades significantly dropping (27 in AP Spanish, and a 53 in Precalculus), unable to focus on reading something that doesn't seem appealing to me (I have only finished one book in my life, and I'm not illiterate, I have a high IQ and go to the #1 academic public school in my state), I'm always off task (in class instead of taking notes I'll stare at the ceiling or distract others), I horribly procrastinate, I am extremely unorganized, and I often blurt out things/do certain actions before thinking of the consequences. I do not show signs of hyperactivity. My inability to focus in school is also bringing on anxiety and depression, because I worry that I may not get into any colleges nor graduate high school for that matter.

Back to the point-If I talk to my new psychiatrist about these concerns, would it be a good idea to tell them about my recreational use of cannabis, MDMA, and Psilocybin Mushrooms? The reason I am somewhat reluctant to do so, is because they may think that I "just wanna get high off of ADD medicine"; I don't. I think I may need it, and I use recreational drugs for recreational use, and prescribed drugs for therapeutic use. One reason I think it may be good to discuss it with them, is because it obviously interacts with my brain chemistry, and I could make the argument that if I wanted to get prescribed a stimulant just for the sake of getting "fucked up", that I wouldn't even bring up the fact that I use drugs in the first place. Also, I use cannabis primarily on weekends, and have used MDMA a few times, same with Mushrooms, and all times they have been spread out a sufficient amount of time. I am also diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes and more recently with Central Adrenal Insufficiency.

So would it be a good idea to discuss my drug use with my psychiatrist?
 
To put it simply, NO.

Reverse psychology on a psychiatrist is unlikely to work. The argument about why would you bring up drugs if you just wanted to get high is not going to work
 
NEVER admit to being a recreational user, the most i told my shrink i did b4 was POT and alcohol, and threw in mushrooms. i told him i need to be back on Dexedrine, i been ADD diagnosed for 10yrs, im 24, have a son, i work, im losing focus, b4 i got done talking,my 90 day supply was in my hand, but god no, he wont do benzos, too addictive HE SAY, DEXEDRINE GOOD FOR YOU, CONCENTRATE, OKAY? GOOD DAY, jerk off....yeah and amphetamine can cause sudden stroke or death, more tightly regulated by the DEA then benzos, and DEF amp addiction causes more mental problems. i mean WTF if im under ur care whats the big deal with benzos? i see u alot, ur monitoring me, lol...doctors just dont get them, and u know kno..them oversees docs are no good, wont budge for nothing

FYI i was asked by my shrink b4 he gave me my AMP script if i had a history of cocaine use or "diet pills" as he put it. he is such a hypocrit, im glad i dont see him ne more, when i went for my increase to 30mg dexedrine he said "too much speed at once, i give u 1 morning 1 afternoon, not all at once) if its SPEED, why u so bad bout klonpin?
 
nope, not if you're looking for amphetamines. they usual prescribe strattera (atomoxetine) to the people with a history of drug abuse.
 
Sheesh, I disagree with you guys. You guys need to find a better psychiatrist methinks. One who makes you feel wholly comfortable.

I keep mine in utter confidentiality mode, so I can and do discuss everything in my life. Everything, honest. And I think our relationship is so much better with me being open. Besides, I never expected -- or even really wanted -- him to prescribe benzodiazepines (tolerance/bad addiction) so I never had the imperative to maneuver around him. He's prescribed me Wellbutrin in the past, and now Gabapentin.

With my drug addiction counselor, it's a very different story though. With that therapist, I maintain an elaborate lie. My clean date way back he thinks. I need to keep getting buprenorphine, so there's a reason I lie to him.

EDIT: Although, your main objective is to get and try ADHD medication, so I do think you should omit talking about your recreational drug use, especially before you're even prescribed it. Build rapport, then maybe broach the subject? I guess it comes down to whether or not you need a potentially addictive drug in these types of situations.
 
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Well another thing, my mom has caught me with weed and wants me to bring it up to the psychiatrist, but she also thinks I should be put on medicine for ADD or ADHD. She is unaware of my MDMA and Mushroom use.

I assumed it would be best to be completely honest with the psychiatrist...guess not.
 
From my experience, diagnosed with adhd in fifth grade, if it has not been a problem with you until now you probably should not be concerned with being diagnosed add/adhd, the modern standards of diagnosis apply to everyone born after 1980 and only those "adult add" are those who are born before modern diagnosis tests were invented.

to me it sounds like you are suffering from whats referred to as senoritis. or the desire to be done with school and a "checked out" mentality.

furthermore i would not admit any recreational drug use to your therapist because you seem to be under the age of 18 and your confidentiality agreement is not a true adult confidentiality agreement and this could be relayed to your folks
 
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furthermore i would not admit any recreational drug use to your therapist because you seem to be under the age of 18 and your confidentiality agreement is not a true adult confidentiality agreement and this could be relayed to your folks
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Really? My mom told me they can't reveal anything I say to her? So it's likely that my past psychiatrist probably has told her things I've said before? What a load of horse shit.
 
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From my experience, diagnosed with adhd in fifth grade, if it has not been a problem with you until now you probably should not be concerned with being diagnosed add/adhd, the modern standards of diagnosis apply to everyone born after 1980 and only those "adult add" are those who are born before modern diagnosis tests were invented.

to me it sounds like you are suffering from whats referred to as senoritis. or the desire to be done with school and a "checked out" mentality.
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Also, quite a few of the symptoms I show, I have had since early childhood. But my parents never saw ADD/ADHD as a real mental disorder. Psychiatrists presume that my dad and brother have it, but they have never been treated, because my family thinks that people with ADD/ADHD are simply just lazy, and they didn't want another child with a mental disorder (my older sister is diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, a type of autism). When I was very little, I don't remember if it was an elementary school teacher or what, but someone even suggested that they wanted me tested for autism, but my mom did not want to find out that she has another autistic child, so she decided that she didn't want me tested. But I do not think I have autism, btw. My father struggled very much through school (teachers predicted he wouldn't even make it to high school), and my brother right now is also struggling in college. My parents think I need medication just because I'm doing horribly in school now (as apposed to bad/mediocre before), and it's putting a good amount of stress on me. I don't know if it's for sure ADD or not, I just think that it's plausible. Do you guys think any psychiatrist will actually try to help me? The new one I'm seeing is supposedly "really good with teens, and many teens like her". I just feel kind of lost right now and I'm not sure what to do, and my past psychiatrist didn't help me at all, he just put me on Zoloft which made me apathetic.
 
blackjesus said:
furthermore i would not admit any recreational drug use to your therapist because you seem to be under the age of 18 and your confidentiality agreement is not a true adult confidentiality agreement and this could be relayed to your folks
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Spagett said:
Really? My mom told me they can't reveal anything I say to her? So it's likely that my past psychiatrist probably has told her things I've said before? What a load of horse shit.
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This is really somewhat of a grey area in law/medicine.

There's tons of girls who get abortions w/o parental consent, or the parents ever finding out. At the same time some Dr's will talk to your parents.

One thing I would suggest, is even if you're under 18, tell your Dr that he's not allowed to discuss this with your parents. Make that clear, however, don't make the assumption that he's going to listen to you. It really depends on the Dr
 
Well now I'm not gonna trust my psychiatrist with anything since they legally can tell my parents!
 
Spagett said:
Well now I'm not gonna trust my psychiatrist with anything since they legally can tell my parents!
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I wouldn't say it's legal, as I said it's a grey area.

Think of this though, if he does tell your parents, even if it was illegal, what would you do? Would you be able to hire an attorney (w/o help from parents) and sue him? And do you think you'd win?

People often do things because they can, not because they are legal.
 
if ur under age yea u got no privacy, but if ur legal age, RELEASES HAVE TO BE SIGNED, if not, he is liable the MD he is, to lose his license
 
Fuck no kid.

It is a terrible idea. I told my Dr. that I smoked weed since it was the truth, but I'm not underaged and I knew he wouldn't be upset by it.

Imagine if you were a psychologist. Someone mentions that they take these drugs to you and they are underaged. What are you going to reach for, the Strattera or the Adderall?
 
Yeah I'm not gonna tell the doc; now actually, I don't think I'll be able to trust any psychiatrist ever again, knowing that patient/MD confidentiality is complete bullshit. And it kind of pisses me off since I want to have a doctor that I can be honest with. My mom wants me to tell them that I smoke weed, but I don't think that will help my cause now. My last doctor knew I smoked, and he told me, "No, you just wanna get drugs so you can get high.". For some reason my parents think if I tell them that it will help. But they can't force you to take any medicine right? For example I don't want to be put back on any SSRIs...
 
No they can't. If your mom is going to be in the same room, it adds a degree of truthfulness that could help you not the the shit drugs. It would help if weed was a problem, which they probably think it is. I was prescribed SSRIs and never took one. I am very close minded, I diagnose myself, I go to the doctor, and wait until they agree. Who am I going to trust, someone I see every month or less, or myself? I can go on wikipedia can't I?

I am very truthful with my doctor about my activities, unless I know it won't help me and will damage our relationship. Remember that you're out there to help yourself, you don't have a problem and no solution, you have both a problem and a solution.
 
So if I decide to see the doc with my mom in the room, is there a good chance that they will prescribe me something that will help? If I do decide to have her in the room with me, I'm just gonna tell her not to bring up the fact that I smoke weed since it probably won't help my cause.
 
I'm not going to tell you the future, but that might (fucking italics why don't you work) have been a good factor in my own experience. I did what you did roughly a year ago. The doctor was very nice and told me he usually prescribed Adderall (20 XRs my first visit, :) ), but he didn't like to give out benzos which I found out about half a year later.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=481608
 
They can't make you take anything. The thing is with some Dr's you have to pretend to take things. I'm scripted SSRIs but have never taken 1 in my life, yet I still have to fill them
 
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