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Opioids Disappointed in Dilaudid VS Codeine

Horrux

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Long story short:

I use to have a script for codeine, 60 x 30mg a month.

Now I have a script for dilaudid, 120 x 2mg a month.

Both are for pain, but also to help me sleep at night through the pain.

I am disappointed in the dilaudid in its 3 main areas of effect: analgesic, mood enhancing, and sleep inducing. The dilaudid seems to do more for sleep enhancing when absorbed anally, while the only way I get close to a reasonable analgesic effect is by nasal absorption. I think. I get the idea that I get almost nothing from it orally, but that might be because a pain of a level of 8 to 9 on 10 is something that makes me impatient. Go figure. 8)

Also, I had used the codeine for 2 months on end before starting the dilaudid, for which I am finishing off a month's supply, to my great anxiety, for my pain level is quite something. Other than that, I had used up to 120mg codeine for the occasional migraine, say about once a week for a year. No other experience with opiates or opioids. When my pain gets severe, I can take 20 to 24mg dilaudid within a 2 hour frame time, and still be moaning like someone being tortured. I seem to get some pain reduction, but possibly not always, and usually far less than I would need in order to be able to sleep, even with such "massive" doses. I have no idea if theses doses are massive or not, because I am new to this drug.

I also weigh 285 lbs, due to liver and metabolic disease. It is worth noting that this liver disease is enabling me to metabolize alcohol, for example, in a crazy quick amount of time. For example, 12 oz strong liquor within 30 minutes gets me tipsy, but 20 minutes later I am back to baseline. I think for most people the effect of alcohol is much longer lasting.

Finally, as last piece of the puzzle, I give you my doc's script, which says take 1 (2mg) pill every 6 hours upon need, for pain. There is no way in hell this drug is lasting 6 hours for me, not unless I take at least 6 pills in one go, orally.

So, could it be that my liver disease is making me metabolize the dilaudid much more quickly than it should, just like, I surmise, alcohol? Could it have been HELPING codeine?

What are things I should look into before going to my doc and trying to explain why 2mg dilaudid feels like 5mg codeine to me. Then again, my pain level fluctuates a lot, so there is a lot of subjectivity and potential for randomness in my attempt at assessing effectiveness.

I know there are some very smart people on here, and I look forward to your advice.
 
codeine is weak as hell in general but works very efficiently orally

dilaudid is very strong but terrible orally, only a 10% (or less) bioavailability. basically useless that way. diluadid is very strong initially, but wears off quickly. if you have a liver problem that makes that worse, wow i feel sorry for you. maybe look into cimetidine, that ccan help with the liver enzymes that eliminate opiates from your system

if you want to stay on the diluadid (assuming you dont IV, because if you IVd the dilaudid it would be a hundred times more powerful than the codeine) find an ROA that works for you, nasal, plugging, etc, or cimetidine, or ask your doctor to change you to a different med, i would suggest back to codeine if that works for you or maybe hydrocodone, as thats about at the same level as codeine.

seems strange to me your doctor would go from codeine to dilaudid. if codeine works well for you why did you switch?
 
If you were to switch back to codeine I have a feeling you'd be disappoint due to how much you're tolerance has raised. The best thing you can do is discuss with your doctors that the dillys aren't working and you think its related to you're atypical metabolism. Your doctor will switch you around till you find the opioid that works best for you, maybe in conjunction with a nonopioid painkiller.
 
Well, firstly I find dilaudid to be far less sedating than codeine.

You know what ima get flamed all the way back to Kansas for this but codeine is one of the best oral painkillers imho.

Dilaudid orally is a huge waste, as is morphine.
But if I were you I'd look into a Rx of morphine...it will be sedating like codeine but shit, It's the best I've tried.

I take lortab and i would honestly rather have an equivalent dosage of tylenol 4 or whatever the fuck codeine preperations are around these days.
Codeine is just so...relaxing and relieving..a kiss of mercy.

Why wouldn't a doc just give one morphine instead of codeine? That's what It's medabolised into anyway...
 
If I could, I would switch to heroin. I have not found a source. I am not close to downtown, where I could possibly hit up a street person, but if I went there, I probably would have to travel there again and again to replenish my stock? My rec guy swears he has no access at all... As to how that could possibly be... Beats me! I mean, he almost HAS to know someone who is using heroin... But whatever, he says no.

So trading isn't possible, for that reason. I thought about preparing my dillys for subq injection, but my equipment is gone (I use to manufacture injectable anabolic steroids before getting sick) so that route isn't the most feasible right now. Anyway I am almost out of dillys. I have been plugging or snorting them instead, with interestingly varying results, as mentioned above.

Is oxymorphone something docs prescribe as easily as dillys? I will look into cimetidine, thanks. I have used naringenin to a similar effect in the past. EDIT: Ewww, it inhibits stomach acid production... I'm not trying to kill myself here guys... That is horrible shit, I might as well be in pain.

Keep the ideas coming guys, thanks!
 
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No, Opana is not just given out, it is usually prescribed when all other options have been exhausted and the person usually has a very debilitating and painful disease, such as cancer.

Oxymorphone also sucks orally, you would have to snort it or inject it, which can really only be done with the 5 ad 10mg instant release ones, the ER's have a new anti-abuse formulation, making it nearly impossible to break it down.
 
You must be like me and metabolize codeine very well. Whenever I was scripted dilaudid and took it orally, I would need 10mg to feel it then rage. Are they brand name Dilaudid ? If so....you have gold if you are willing to use IV, IV'ing Brand name Dillies is the most riskless (other than pure powder) due to the inactives being lactose and magnesium stearate, a cotton filter the kind given in regular injection kits will work well. So take your 2mg (and not more, please) this way and report back :D

But yeah, it seems like a weird situation but it makes sense, I was able to detox myself from going overboard with 4 and 8mg dillies with codeine, 300mg of codeine hits me hard, even when I was a dilaudid IV user....must be because that lasts so shortly.
 
I sorta tl;dr'd your post but i had a sort of similar experience with dilaudid in the beginning. How long have you been taking it? Dilaudid is like an olympic contender of opiates while codeine is like a good local high school athlete.

I had access to dilaudid for a while and chose to take codeine/percocet over it and left the dilaudid alone. Then when i had my wisdom teeth out i tried the dilaudid again and took it until i finished the script.

Did you try taking as a pill just as is? I'd play around w/taking it on no food vs.food and maybe potentiators before i gave up on it. My own experience was that the high was really mehh the first 2-3x i tried it and then it was bordering on blissful like a year later when i tried it again.
 
I sorta tl;dr'd your post but i had a sort of similar experience with dilaudid in the beginning. How long have you been taking it? Dilaudid is like an olympic contender of opiates while codeine is like a good local high school athlete.

I had access to dilaudid for a while and chose to take codeine/percocet over it and left the dilaudid alone. Then when i had my wisdom teeth out i tried the dilaudid again and took it until i finished the script.

Did you try taking as a pill just as is? I'd play around w/taking it on no food vs.food and maybe potentiators before i gave up on it. My own experience was that the high was really mehh the first 2-3x i tried it and then it was bordering on blissful like a year later when i tried it again.

The high is secondary for me, as I am in pain. Regardless, I am down to my last 2 pills, and I don't have my filters, so I'm just going to take them nasally. They work OK that way, except they take about an hour to kick in, which is kind of weird. I am looking to get something stronger, or at least, more suited to myself, from my doc. What are the options, other than looking for heroin, which I am already doing?
 
I understand your situation totally but I would be very careful about switching to heroin when you do have access to strong meds like Dilaudid. i understand its not working the way you are taking it but you run into all kinds of problems when you move over to heroin. The biggest one being that it is not like a pharm where it is pure and you know what strength you are getting. You may get some one time that works super well and no problems then you might get some the next 3 times in a row that is cut to shit (with all kinds of nasty stuff) that doesnt do much at all for your pain without taking mega dose.

You also run into the whole problem of having access to it..it is not always a sure thing. Besides the issues of how strong it is of course sometimes it can have some pretty nasty stuff in it. Then the legality of it etc, etc.

Question for you...are you considering IVing it? Have you IVd before?

Better options regarding talking to your doctor about legit prescriptions would be maybe fentanyl or oxycodone?
 
I have never IV'ed anything, although I have done plenty of subcutaneous and intra-muscular injections, which are actually more risky than IV.

I agree about the heroin, but at least I can stockpile it. Here, painkillers are under very strict pharmacy control, and the doctor is pretty limited as to what he can perscribe.

I will ask my doc come Monday if I can get something else.
 
OK I got 180 5mg oxycodone pills, should be OK now... I hope. AND I can take them orally, so they say? Compared to the 2mg dillys, these things are huge! :P
 
If they are huge then they must be oxy with APAP...do they contain acetaminophen?

Oxycodone has the best BA if taken orally, so yes take by mouth. Besides if they have APAP in them then that is the only way you are going to want to take them.
 
If they are huge then they must be oxy with APAP...do they contain acetaminophen?

Oxycodone has the best BA if taken orally, so yes take by mouth. Besides if they have APAP in them then that is the only way you are going to want to take them.

They aren't big, but they are possibly 10 times the size of the dilaudids, which were absolutely tiny. No, it doesn't contain acetaminophen, I made damn sure of that, given that I have a liver disease.

Thanks for the help guys! :)
 
They aren't big, but they are possibly 10 times the size of the dilaudids, which were absolutely tiny. No, it doesn't contain acetaminophen, I made damn sure of that, given that I have a liver disease.

Thanks for the help guys! :)

Americans often assume there's APAP in IR versions of Oxy/Hydro anywhere. We do indeed have percocet/percodan here, but is very rarely used, they just script Supeudol which is another name for OXY IR. They only go up to 20mg, but 5mg supeudols given to me correctly by a physician would have ended up with me never IV'ing anything, lack of believing my invisible fucked up head/facial nerve + migraine headache problems require tons of fucking playing around with things like anticonvulsants before codeine or mere fiorinal without even codeine is considered sometimes. As for hydrocodone, it only comes as a 5mg pill or syrup with no additives.

I still see people mentioning they take things like 5mg/750mg APAP hydro tabs by americans and I just keep wondering, didn't the fda said they would force manufacturers to bring down the APAP to 300-325mg ? Our most common combo pill are Empracets (30-60mg codeine/300mg apap) and despite the "horrors" that somebody might CWE codeine....it is very rare for people to develop tylenol poisoning from fuckin empracets over here. Not bragging, I just really am a fan of common sense.
 
One dilauded every six hours makes no sense since the half life is like 2 hours
 
Well, I'm very disappointed in Oxycodone as well... I get no analgesia out of 3 pills or less, and 4 pills seems to act as a stimulant: I get warm, my heart beats faster, and I feel more awake. Not the best stuff for sleeping through pain. So I just found out my effective dose is 7 pills (5mg each)... I'll be burning through these like I'm on heroin withdrawal I think... Sigh. :(
 
I'd have to say Dilaudid really sucks. I cant see it being that great for pain. People shoot it for it's rush, and after the rush theres no "balls"


Also I think I have the same problem with metabolites as you do OP.

I get very stimulated from almost all opiates though, some I can sleep on and some I can not.
But I definately absorb MDMA and DXM faster/they hit me more intensely. and Stuff like coffee puts me to sleep.
Something to do with CP*** enzymes me thinks.
 
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