Tryptamines DiPT Applications For Musicians & Producers

[Esperighanto]

Hey guys,

I recently got my hands on a few grams of N,N-DiPT as well as a few grams of 5-MeO-DiPT. While the latter isn't known for its auditory hallucinations, the former sure is. Sinicuichi is also an auditory hallucinogen, but it only shined to the point of really impacting how I make music. Laying back and listening to the neighborhood I lived in, the homeless people grunting and doing the "spice shuffle" like they're possessed would sound like a chorus of crystalline choral voices. Seagulls fighting over garbage would sound like a steel drum straight out of Star Trek. Most sounds I heard would "unfold" into little grains of sound and then "fold back up", playing backwards, with this all slowing in the middle and running faster in the beginning and end. All of these are things I've been recreating in glitch music I produce.

I was wondering if anybody here has ever applied DiPT in any dose ranges or combinations for the specific application of inspiring musicality? Many experiences just claim that it makes music sound "off" and seems to artificially drop pitch in a "metallic" way.

Thanks for any info/experiences!

 

[arrall]

Sinicuichi is also an auditory hallucinogen, but it only shined to the point of really impacting how I make music. Laying back and listening to the neighborhood I lived in, the homeless people grunting and doing the "spice shuffle" like they're possessed would sound like a chorus of crystalline choral voices. Seagulls fighting over garbage would sound like a steel drum straight out of Star Trek. Most sounds I heard would "unfold" into little grains of sound and then "fold back up", playing backwards, with this all slowing in the middle and running faster in the beginning and end. All of these are things I've been recreating in glitch music I produce.

Is this referring to sinicuichi or DiPT?
I have never heard the former being described as having particularly profound auditory effects, and certainly not anything to this extent.

 

[Esperighanto]

Is this referring to sinicuichi or DiPT?
I have never heard the former being described as having particularly profound auditory effects, and certainly not anything to this extent.

The post is asking for peoples' experiences with N,N-DiPT in the context of music making, but I began the post by describing my past use of sinicuichi and its impact on how I make music, as an example of what I'm asking the question about in the first place.

Sinicuichi when smoked, especially while on LSD is one of the most profoundly intense auditory hallucinogens I've ever used, probably the top tbh. This is consistent with other people around me who've tried it too.

Sorry, I could've certainly written the original post more coherently.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Hey guys,

I recently got my hands on a few grams of N,N-DiPT as well as a few grams of 5-MeO-DiPT. While the latter isn't known for its auditory hallucinations, the former sure is.

seemed like 5-meo-DIPT messed with the pitch while still keeping the music in tune. Never felt like distrtion more like natural movements in tempo.

Might be the only witnissing this, but imo it creates auditory hallucinations, not too the extent of the DIPT descriptions though. But it also very much resembles a speed-like short acting LSD. Vasocontriction and anxiety that LSD lacks.

 

[aag]

While the latter isn't known for its auditory hallucinations,

I apologize for going off-topic, but I'd like to share my experiences. I had auditory hallucinations on 5-MeO-DiPT, similar to those on N,N-DiPT, but they were slightly weaker and shorter. This might be a personal reaction, as some people might not experience these distortions on 5-MeO-DiPT. I also experienced them on 4-HO-MiPT and 4-Aco-MiPT.

 

[Esperighanto]

@aag & @emkee_reinvented: I appreciate your experience reports here! Miprocin (4-HO-MiPT) has never induced any auditory hallucinations in myself or others, though mushrooms have at huge doses, but mushrooms only cause dial-sounds.

 

[Pfafffed]

I pretty reliably experienced mild auditory *hallucinations* from 4-HO-MiPT and even milder ones from 5-HO-DMT. Neither ever caused auditory *distortion* anything like N,N-DiPT. I have yet to experiment with DiPT in the context of musicianship. It's definitely dose-dependent in the quality and character of the auditory distortions that it occasioned for me. Also, some types of music sounded normal. Others, wildly flanged, pitch-shifted, or otherwise unnatural. It wasn't particularly aesthetically pleasing.

@Xorkoth has mentioned liking the effect on birdsong.

 

[iom]

I've had DIPT, IIRC at 30 mg and 100 mg. The 30 mg produced a marked lowering of pitch and an exaggeration of pitch incongruities. I watched "The Dark Crystal", and the score at the start has a lot of wow and flutter which seemed greatly exaggerated and also somehow melodramatic. It felt the drug had a surprisingly significant empathogenic aspect to it but was also quite mellow and controllable at this level.

At 100 mg, the onset was a bit harsh with some distinct psychdelic come up effects. My partner actually suddenly got up and vomited, perhaps the only time ever on a psychedelic and proceeded to have intense visuals for about 20 minutes before settling into a trip similar to mine. After 1.5-2 hours, most of the usual psychedelic effects had passed, but the audio distortions were intense. We had put the movie "Empire Strikes Back" on figuring Darth Vader might be interesting to hear, but Darth Vader merely sounded like Darth Vader. Everyone else on the other hand sounded way different. The men sounded like Darth Vader too, and the women sounded like they were very manly men. The score sounded like the whole orchestra was out of tune---absolutely miserable. The most interesting sound though was her old microwave, which had a lot of vibration and resonances to begin with, but on DiPT sounded absolutely incredible in a kind of dark and horrific way. After a few hours of this, the auditory effects faded to minimal and we were left with a long-lasting empathogenic after-glow which we spent visiting and meeting with new friends.

Personally, I think trying to do any music composition or production on DiPT would be very frustrating, and while the sounds one might hear while on DiPT might be creatively inspiring, translation may be fundamentally difficult. DiPT doesn't just pitch-shift the sounds, it causes a break-down of harmonic structure and tonality. It makes everything sound completely foreign and non-sensical.

I'm actually legitimately interested in the potential for DiPT to be used for researching human auditory perception. However, I'm rather wary since reading about HPPD potentially occurring after DiPT. If the post-DiPT HPPD is anything like the DiPT trip itself, it could lead to a substantial degredation in hearing ability.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

@aag & @emkee_reinvented: I appreciate your experience reports here! Miprocin (4-HO-MiPT) has never induced any auditory hallucinations in myself or others, though mushrooms have at huge doses, but mushrooms only cause dial-sounds.

Only 5-meo-DIPT gave obvious changes in music that was the same music we always played, so not unknown music. And it was recognizable but changed atm it was processed in the brain. 4-ho-MIPT, the ime most forgiving Tryptamine had no auditory influence noticeable. But oh scores better on every other sides. No worrying side effects, anxiety or vasocontriction. And oppossed to 5-meo-DIPT not a stimulating psychedelic.

And the descriptions of DIPT share the same feature like @iom described "a marked lowering of pitch and an exaggeration of pitch incongruities (lack of harmony or consistency)".
5-meo-DIPT missed "DiPT doesn't just pitch-shift the sounds, it causes a break-down of harmonic structure and tonality. It makes everything sound completely foreign and non-sensical." But music making on it would be a challenge at least, both. In other ways, as DIPT seems a quite forgiving compound, if the auditory effects don't bother you. Interested what if, how that music would sound sober?

And that microwave darkness of its sound reminds me about my time my body thought some fresh orange juice would be nice. During a trip on Psilocybine. The oranges, knife, glass felt ok, but my juicer (plastic) felt like an incredible dark thing. The worst not the noise it made. Which ugly, but apperently hearing was not the sense most effected by the mushrooms, the plastic felt really unpleasant, unlike all the natural materials used.

 

[Esperighanto]

@Pfafffed Do you recall which kinds of music sounded more distorted in that DiPT way than the others?

@iom I'll keep the HPPD thing in mind for sure, I'm curious if it would be a useful drug for exploring wacky harmonic structures. It sounds like it'd be more useful for its empathogenic qualities.

@emkee_reinvented The texture feeling things is really interesting! I'm likely going to take a project I'm working on in FL studio and make a copy for "DiPT experiments", and see how it sounds later when sober. 5-MeO-DiPT functioned more like a stimulant with a very mild "video game shader" style of visual effect. I wonder if working with music that distinctly lacks a need for harmonic composition (making a beat as opposed to composing a piano solo piece for example) may for DiPT better. I'll be sure to report back with how the experiments go!

 

[JackARoe]

Fascinating thread, thanks Esperighanto. This is one psychedelic that I think I would want to pass on. The way it distorts sound seems ok, but a few people said it lasted past the trip. That always made me wonder if that was true. I love reading the reports, and DIPT is not talked about enough. I never came across it. But that does not matter.

This is already turning out a great thread of info.

 

[Esperighanto]

Fascinating thread, thanks Esperighanto. This is one psychedelic that I think I would want to pass on. The way it distorts sound seems ok, but a few people said it lasted past the trip. That always made me wonder if that was true. I love reading the reports, and DIPT is not talked about enough. I never came across it. But that does not matter.

This is already turning out a great thread of info.

Thanks, I appreciate it a lot! Most psychedelics seem to have effects that stick around afterwards, but applying a benzo for a couple days has always been able to tamp that back down for me.

 

[Psychestim]

I gotta say I have never been as entertained by German autotune gangsterap than I was on DiPT. Unbelievably hilarious, I had to spit some bars myself because it was so exhilarating.

 

[Esperighanto]

I gotta say I have never been as entertained by German autotune gangsterap than I was on DiPT. Unbelievably hilarious, I had to spit some bars myself because it was so exhilarating.

What I wouldn't give to have been a fly on the wall for this moment in the history of obscure tryptamines, hahaha. I imagine something like the first verse of Meine Zeit by Cro but having hit a DMT pen briefly thinking it's THC, spitting befuddling bars over a beat reconstructed from the vinyl bargain bin.

On a more serious note, I've found harmaline, 2C-B, THC(-H/B/P), 3-MeO-PCP, 2F-DCK, 2F-O-PCE, and ketamine to enhance my capacity to understand the relationships between different mediums of art in a way other substances can't. I professionally DJ'd in the past and never really "got" how a VJ could match their set to a DJ's, but I feel like I understand it better as a result of the oddly synesthetic nature of these substances specifically. I'm excited to see if N,N-DiPT joins that list!

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I've had DIPT, IIRC at 30 mg and 100 mg. The 30 mg produced a marked lowering of pitch and an exaggeration of pitch incongruities. I watched "The Dark Crystal",

OG version or the less good remake?

But only experiencing 5-Meo-DIPT, not really liking it. Its a bit like Lysergics,
but Tryptamine give so much bodyload.
Still have 5-Meo-DIP & aMT laying around 25 years later.

But had an obvious effect on the pitch of music, not necessarly enhancing it.
No drug ever did this. Not LSD nor Psylocybin or dissociatives. Kinda curious about DIPT which is reading the origin when concerning audio hallucinations.

Btw listening music on 5-Meo was weird, playing while on it, never experimented with that. So if possible, wonder what will it produce in terms of music?

 

[iom]

OG version or the less good remake?

OG all the way. Also, that was 20 years ago.

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But had an obvious effect on the pitch of music, not necessarly enhancing it. No drug ever did this. Not LSD nor Psylocybin or dissociatives. Kinda curious about DIPT which is reading the origin when concerning audio hallucinations.

I haven't taken 5-Meo-DiPT, but it is my understanding that the audio effects from it are very weak compared to DiPT.

Btw listening music on 5-Meo was weird, playing while on it, never experimented with that. So if possible, wonder what will it produce in terms of music?

If we're talking about DiPT, I'd say you can try it, but I doubt you'll get more than novelty from the experience. If I wanted to make music or play music, it would probably be the last psychedelic I'd reach for.

 

[Esperighanto]

If we're talking about DiPT, I'd say you can try it, but I doubt you'll get more than novelty from the experience. If I wanted to make music or play music, it would probably be the last psychedelic I'd reach for.

I have this problem where the moment I don't have a psychedelic tolerance, I'm tripping again, I finally got around to to the DOB and 5-MeO-DiPT but the DiPT I've yet to try. Last night though, 110mg of ketamine, 15mg of 3-HO-PCE, and an eyeballed highly painful amount of 2C-B (I'd guess 15-20mg) was mixed into "party powder", then cut into four lines.

There was a trace amount of residual methamphetamine on the insufflation tray from a recent incident with pressed Adderall tablets where I confused clean speed for 3-HO-PCE, posted about that recently, I doubt it was enough to have much effect compared to everything else here.

I took one line and began listening to music that I find inspirational, and within a few minutes I turned the three remaining lines into seven because that shit was too heady to be meaningfully functional. Mr. Bill is a very talented glitch music producer who also has used a lot of ketamine and psychedelics to aid his production, and I get it. I've never been able to design sounds and convey emotion and energy through my DAW the way I did last night, it was pretty nutty.

If anybody here's a music producer or audio engineer and wants to talk more about the nerdy side of that shit, especially as it relates to performance enhancing it with psychs, feel free to reach out.

 

[Pfafffed]

I can't imagine combining 2C-B and ketamine and then booting up my DAW

I could see doing some sound design on my synths, but I think throwing a disso into the mix would just debilitate me. I'm new to sound design, though.

 

[Esperighanto]

I can't imagine combining 2C-B and ketamine and then booting up my DAW

I could see doing some sound design on my synths, but I think throwing a disso into the mix would just debilitate me. I'm new to sound design, though.

It was predominantly the 15mg of 3-HO-PCE I'd mixed into the ket that I felt. I'd also been doing my normal amount of weed consumption throughout the day, 300mg of Bupropion, and maybe 150mg of THC-O in tincture.

That mixture of everything successfully gave me energy, made me much less depressed, and enhanced my creativity to a point where I'm kind of blown away this morning by what I made, compared to my normal shit. A lot of it was the hyper obsessive attention to detail in automation of sound design and the sort.

 

[negrogesic]

5-MeO-DiPT caused some fairly long lasting changes in my perception of pitch. I went through a gram of it over maybe 6-8 months when I was a mere 17, and tones sounded a quarter step or so lower pretty much instantaneously. Listening to music was odd; the drug did not enhance it. Was a weird experience, it made tuning the guitar in particular seem more difficult (especially during the year after its use). Even to this today, i find myself tuning nylon string guitars in particular especially difficult, and I sometimes wonder if my use of a gram of 5-MeO-DiPT at such a young age, when my brain had still not reached its final adult form, had some impact. I sort of have what you'd call a degree of absolute pitch, being correct well over 90% of the time, and when im off, its by half a step flat down (never sharp). So in those cases I'm constantly half a step under (like in the cases where im wrong, someone will play an A natural on a piano and I'll say Ab (although sometimes when im wrong im actually right due to an old out of tune piano). But sometimes i just hear flatter than is the case, i worry my perception of pitch got shifted a semitone flat

Makes turning the nylon string guitar particularly frustrating for some reason. Steel string guitars don't give me trouble, and I can tune a cello just fine. But tuning nylon string guitars takes me forever, and im rarely happy with result. This issue has dissuaded me from attempting to tune my own piano, although I'm sort of the position that one shouldn't tune their own pianos, just one shouldn't try to mix and master their own recordings. The self-doubt in your end product will drive you crazy if you are sensitive to sounds and tones, but if you aren't hypersensitive then I suppose there is no issue.