did you have schizophrenia before you started using drugs?

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i didn't have persistent schizophrenia until i started using drugs. i remember before ever experimenting, i remember playing guitar and thinking police radio was being played over my amp when i had stopped. i thought it was radio waves for a while until i realized that's not really possible.

other than this i only really remember thinking people were outside my house waking me up, but i never really thought much of it. it didn't happen very often i realize now they were probably some of my voices though.

now in my adult life after twenty or so years of using drugs, whether i'm using or not, i can't go more than a few minutes with out hearing voices or some kind of banging or beeping. the voices usually become more enjoyable when i get high though.

i wonder if i never used drugs, how i would be now.
 
Been to shrinks in numerous ocasions.At rehabs,in inpatient detoxes in psychiatry.Never been diagnozed with anything else,than o.u.d.-opiate use disorder....lot of discussion,some kind of Rorshah's test.....all weaponry of modern psychiatry-so except use disorded I am clinical healthy in de head.......cause even some of psychiatrist believe in God&Devil.Most of great scientist do so.....there is something beyond human capability of understanding.......and always will be
 
In the DSM-V remember that paranoia is not any longer in any definition of basic 'schizophrenia'.

I scored lowest for it that year, 20 years of age.

Psychoses happen sometimes. Meth and some other shit in my life made for some combo issues.

I balance it out with downers, particular to opioids and benzoes. Alcohol.

It's all in balance and approach. If you're suffering from schizophrenia. Remember that crystal meth can cause an MRI on the brain to look very resemblant.

Meth strips the white or grey matter off your neurons. Schizophrenia also results from a reduced and cross firing set of electrical wiring. Neuronally.
 
No, I used drugs nearly daily for over 15 years before I ever developed symptoms of schizophrenia.
How did you snap out of that so well? Weve talked before. Are you sure it's a true diagnostic for you, man?

Schizoaffective I've personally seen dumb way down to normalcy in one of my personal friends. Nearly. Incapacated by 'delusions' or whatever and moody until he suddenly became a full-time cook in his middle 20s.

Proud of him for that.
 
How did you snap out of that so well? Weve talked before. Are you sure it's a true diagnostic for you, man?
I never really snapped out of it. It took about 14 months for me to come out of the worst of it. My symptoms just become minimal with sobriety. If I binge alcohol or use certain drugs they come back rather quickly.

And yeah, saw a psychiatrist and neurologist for 9 months before they diagnosed me with "drug induced schizophrenia". I have no familial history or predisposition.

Sometimes I've questioned if it is really schizophrenia or just some sort of permanent drug psychosis.... but I suppose there isn't much of a difference between those 2 anyways.
 
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I never really snapped out of it. My symptoms just become minimal with sobriety. If I binge or use certain drugs they come back rather quickly.

And yeah, saw a psychiatrist and neurologist for 9 months before they diagnosed me with "drug induced schizophrenia".
I can relate but it's chalked to persecutory delusions and psychoses. Etc.

Whatever happens in your world is what it is. Don't always accept that everything is delusions.

Way too many people running around afraid of being stalked or they're gonna get hurt somewhere. Automatic 'delusonal' should not also stem from systemic issues and actual personal issues around trauma and people actually hurting you.

I fight with this quite a bit. Sometimes. I'm getting much better at identifying the reasons and why's as I go.

If you're too freaked out to call or if accosted, don't say gangstalking or anything to much other than just the basics of what's up. Sometimes it's ineffectual seeming but rather than an auto delusional you get a clearer private conversation later. Journal it out. That provides the plot and emphasis of your life vs your experience.

That's building a defense if you need one.
 
@Joey Yeah, that's the thing. I've never had real delusions or any paranoia, even during the worst of it.

I did hear voices for a long time, but they never really address me. Sometimes they would call my name but never told me anything.

My own internal dialogue did become "someone else" for a period. I guess that was delusional. But the whole time I knew it to be abnormal and could still distinguish reality.

My symptoms have always been rather atypical of the usual schizophrenic.
 
i didn't have persistent schizophrenia until i started using drugs. i remember before ever experimenting, i remember playing guitar and thinking police radio was being played over my amp when i had stopped. i thought it was radio waves for a while until i realized that's not really possible.

other than this i only really remember thinking people were outside my house waking me up, but i never really thought much of it. it didn't happen very often i realize now they were probably some of my voices though.

now in my adult life after twenty or so years of using drugs, whether i'm using or not, i can't go more than a few minutes with out hearing voices or some kind of banging or beeping. the voices usually become more enjoyable when i get high though.

i wonder if i never used drugs, how i would be now.
I have a genetic predisposition as well as excessive drug use that may not have caused it but might have helped it manifest sooner rather than later.

My grandmother (dad's mom) was probably undiagnosed schizophrenic and committed suicide before I was born. My aunt (dad's sister) currently has schizophrenia and has been on Social Security Disability for a long time.

When I started having problems I was smoking an oz of weed per week and started getting very paranoid that the cops were after me and I was being gangstalked by everyone else. I didn't know there was a name for gangstalking until very recently (thanks Bluelight) but all this happened to me like 20 year ago. At the time I also thought I was being filmed everywhere I went like in The Truman Show movie and also that the TV and radio would communicate with me specifically. I was self-medicating not only with weed but also alcohol and was occasionally experimenting with cocaine. After two DWIs, I quit the coke altogether and slowed way down on the drinking and weed smoking. But the symptoms and paranoia persisted for months and even years until I started to finally began getting psychiatric care instead of legal attention. Then I began getting stabilized unless I went off my meds. Been relatively stable for the past 13-14 years or so.
 
i didn't have persistent schizophrenia until i started using drugs. i remember before ever experimenting, i remember playing guitar and thinking police radio was being played over my amp when i had stopped. i thought it was radio waves for a while until i realized that's not really possible.

other than this i only really remember thinking people were outside my house waking me up, but i never really thought much of it. it didn't happen very often i realize now they were probably some of my voices though.

now in my adult life after twenty or so years of using drugs, whether i'm using or not, i can't go more than a few minutes with out hearing voices or some kind of banging or beeping. the voices usually become more enjoyable when i get high though.

i wonder if i never used drugs, how i would be now.
What drugs, exactly, and how are your symptoms now?
I know when I first started smoking weed at 17 something went completely wrong. I had the most extreme depersonalization/derealization ever. It was like living in a nightmare. I didn't recognize my reality, anything, myself, I felt like a ghost, like I wasn't real, and I had immense brain fog. I could only describe it as "perceptual amnesia" as everything which was once familiar to me was no longer.

This happened at one point for a few days and went away, that's where I should've stopped, but then I was like hey, it must've just been a passing thing. Then I got weed laced with cocaine and I was back to square one... I think it wouldn't have mattered either way. The stuff me and my friends were smoking was way too strong. The first times I'd smoked mids, the high was way more manageable. But everyone was getting medical imported from Cali and such all over the east coast at the time.

Just a year or two prior you wouldn't have been finding weed that good. I would have insanely weird closed eye hallucinations. Shapes, patterns, colors, things that shouldn't happen from just a joint, and I'd often be speaking gibberish. Oddly, these images triggered early childhood memories. Ever since then, I almost daily have sudden flashbacks to my early childhood, or dreams I may have had. It seems all memories that escape eventually find their way back, and why this happened to me I really have no idea.

I self-medicated by continuing to smoke weed to make it "make sense" that I'd feel all strange like this. In some way, this ended up working. This was occurring the summer into my senior year. I kind of surrendered to it at one point in the hopes that it'd get better. I don't know if it ever fully did, I know I'm certainly not the same as I was before this happened.

So it was mostly symptoms of psychosis I suppose, but I grew up hallucinating my closet coming alive around the age of 3-4 (thanks to my parents feeding me Benadryl all the time because of allergies to our cat). They no longer suggest to give Benadryl to kids that young at all. I'm on the spectrum, which may have made it more complicated, but I also seem rather sensitive to DPH.

Similar to Jerry, I had a period where weed would make me unbelievably paranoid. I'm dying, that helicopter is after me, my fingernails are purple, there's a tick eating me somewhere, just a weird time. From 2013-2015, just a huff, one puff of a joint could get me so unbelievably gone and paranoid it didn't even make sense. I'd resort to booze in order to enjoy getting high.

Nowadays I don't really show psychosis symptoms. I do have C-PTSD so it's natural for me to dissociate at times, and in retrospect well before I used any drugs, this was a prominent thing for me. There's day dreaming and then there's totally detaching yourself from reality. I never recognized it because, well, I was a kid and going through a lot of changes in high school.

Personally, flower makes me show symptoms of psychosis for some reason, while concentrate does not. Last year in particular I'd notice when I got super high, well, actually for a few years, I'd get this impulse to speak in complete gibberish. Sherga dornog, vorbuloni alagoni, just had this compulsion to want to say these things. That's how it started when I was 17 actually. My friends got a kick out of it but in reality there was something seriously wrong. Ever since I switched to dab pens, I never get things like this.

I don't think I have schizoid type symptoms necessarily, and maybe you don't either, maybe it's just psychosis in general that can pass. It was a miracle by the start of my senior year that my brain fog went away and I was starting to recognize myself, my reality. Things still felt very surreal for awhile which could be a bit uncomfortable. That's when I got really into The Beatles, especially their psychedelic stuff, and it seemed to be a nice medicine for that feeling.

It was once I started indoor track that fall/winter that things were really improving. "Life is going back to what I want it to be" I'd written in a mini journal I was keeping at the time, where really I'd just jot down something the first day of the month. I still have all of them. I'd actually really wanted to take LSD around this period because I was inspired by The Beatles and honestly, I'm fortunate I didn't find any, because that probably would've been really bad given I was only months out of feeling more normal again.

I don't think I'm at risk of developing schizophrenia, I did DMT for a month straight last summer and had a very strong mushroom trip in early August (which was actually very bad, had mild HPPD resembling my hallucinations for almost 3 months) but they weren't like, getting in the way of my life. It'd just be like "woah... that looks like those skulls."
 
I had the most extreme depersonalization/derealization ever. It was like living in a nightmare. I didn't recognize my reality, anything, myself, I felt like a ghost, like I wasn't real, and I had immense brain fog. I could only describe it as "perceptual amnesia" as everything which was once familiar to me was no longer.

I self-medicated by continuing to smoke weed to make it "make sense" that I'd feel all strange like this. In some way, this ended up working. This was occurring the summer into my senior year. I kind of surrendered to it at one point in the hopes that it'd get better. I don't know if it ever fully did, I know I'm certainly not the same as I was before this happened.
this is actually my case except that my dissociation was triggered by traumas and depression. I abstained of anything but some alcohol for long but it led nowhere anyway so I started to smoke weed and concluded that it doesn't make it so much worse, it "teached" me to not give a fuck essentially, nowadays I don't consider myself particularly dissociated, maybe little I don't know anymore...definitely better. But I also started psychotherapy which was the real solution.
 
Yeah I didn't realize that my prior dissociative episodes were related to C-PTSD, and once I started experimenting with weed, it significantly worsened this problem, or brought it more to the surface. I think it's always dicey regardless to use it in your teens, I mean we all know how much it can change them. If you started at 25 it's a lot different than at 15. I think it's a gateway drug particularly for teens, but not in itself. And any psychoactive drugs in that period of say, 15-21 can bring out mental illness as is well known. I don't think most people physically stop growing until early 20s, I grew an inch around 23. As far as when someones brain is finished developing, they said 18, then 21, now 25. I think 25 is most accurate, but maybe for some people it's sooner somehow?

I still noticed even last year when I'd get really high off a bong rip that I'd feel sorta... gone, detached, and it could be scary. Concentrates just don't do that for some reason even though the THC content is so much higher and I generally feel that I get higher at the same time. Flower is just different for me and I don't really know why.
 
BourbonMac, i haven't done anything other than weed and coffee for four years. i still hear voices and noises almost all the time, and i see little second acid flash back type things a few times a day... i used to use basically everything. dxm and dramamine with weed a lot as a teen, but i didn't really have any schizophrenic problems. then i got a shroom connect in my early twenties and started using shrooms and acid a lot. i'd do opiates or adderal occasionally, never fucked with meth.

i think even weed has contributed to having auditory schizophrenia more probably, but lsd seems to be the real reason why i see things. the visuals i see for seconds at a time were there like the entire time i'd be tripping on acid. same looking shit.


That's messed up what you said about benadryl too, i remember tripping out cause of cough syrup as a child.
 
i dont have schizophrenia but did have temporary psychosis and cotards srndrome. I dont think drug use caused my psychosis at all and neither does my shrink. i will say psychosis is exactly like deleriants though. Fuck dramamine
 
Never got through psychosis...got relatively short period(about an year)affair with meth...may be not overused it too much&drank benzos....but ain't got psychosis,serotonine syndrom...even hardly doubt about depression even...anxiety yes,insomnia very often....bad days when evil forces crippled on me....and i know what psychosis is....shizofrenia also-there's a plenty "locos" here
 
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