argonaut720
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- Jan 22, 2013
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I'm pretty opiate naive and have only done hydrocodone (10-20mg) and oxycodone (usually just 10mg, a couple times 15mg) a handful of times. I got my hands on some DHC recently, both in the IR and ER forms and I wanted to give them a try. I did quite a bit of research beforehand and solicited for a bit of feedback on what a good starting dose should be. Considering 10-15mg of hydro is the minimum I take to feel anything with 20mg being a more pleasant dose and also considering the opiate equivalency of 1mg of hydrocodone to 6mg of DHC, I decided to take 1 40mg IR and 1 60mg ER of DHC (equivalent to about 16-17mg of hydro). I figured this was pretty conservative given my tolerance and also should be a good split between the IR & ER to give me a longish-lasting high. And since this was my first time trying DHC, I decided to just go with oral ROA rather than plugging or something else. I also almost always potentiate using white grapefruit juice (WGJ), cimetidine (Tagamet), diphenhydramine HCl (Benadryl) and dextromethorphan (DXM) and did so this time too, minus the cimetidine. I've read mixed things about the effects of cimetidine on DHC. So this is how it went down…
T-45min - 11oz WGJ + 30mg DXM
T-30min - 5.5oz WGJ + 25mg diphenhydramine HCl
T (6:30pm) - 5.5oz WGJ + 40mg DHC IR (whole oral) + 60mg DHC ER (whole oral)
T+1hr - Beginning to feel good. :D I can understand why people call DHC a stimulating opiate rather than a sedating opiate. I think I prefer the sedating aspect of hydro and oxy and am going to have to look into ways to intensify the sedation aspect with the DHC, if possible. I feel warm and nice...and talkative.
T+1.5hrs - Mouth is getting dry - drinking lots of water. Still feeling good.
T+2.5hrs - Scarfed down half a pizza and more water. I didn't eat much today, so my I was starving. Still feeling good.
T+3hrs - Had to go out to a concert with the GF which affected the buzz a bit, but not too bad. I would've preferred chilling at home.
T+5.5hrs - Home and in bed - the effects have certainly worn off a bit, but I can still feel the DHC a bit. I passed out pretty quickly - I fall asleep pretty quickly on the comedown from opiates.
zzzzZZZZzzzz
T+13hrs (7:30am) - Get up to go to the bathroom. After almost a minute of peeing, I started feeling quite dizzy and nauseous.
The nausea continued to intensify quite dramatically, so I made myself comfy on the floor in front of the toilet in preparation and leaned back against the wall and tried to focus on my breathing. I started to sweat. A lot. To the point where it felt like my skin was a sponge that was being squeezed. It was more than if I had been running at a sprint in the sun for that length of time. I closed my eyes and continued to focus on my breathing and did that for about 20-30 minutes. During that time, the dizziness and nausea thankfully began to slowly subside. The sweating continued up until about that time and then seemed to just stop completely more or less. I slowly got up and went back to bed and fell right asleep.
zzzzZZZZzzzzz
T+17.5hrs (1pm) - Woke up cautiously. Downed some Pepto and a handful of dry cheerios. Not really feeling anything in particular, but just nervous about the nausea coming back...it didn't.
So yea…not an amazing experience. The buzz was ok and I liked the body feeling, but I didn't feel nearly as euphoric or sedate as I do on hydro or oxy. And WTF was with the experience in the bathroom? Some research I've done shows it might have been an 'opiate hangover' or that I consumed a bit too much for my tolerance (which I thought was a pretty safe dose). And if that's even remotely close to what withdrawl feels like, I don't want to get anywhere near that.
Next time I think I'm going to try plugging 60-80mg of the IR and avoid the ER all together until my tolerance is up or until I crush it up with some baking soda to defeat the time release mechanism a bit. Plugging is supposed to have much better BA than oral ROA with DHC, I've read. And I've thought about upping my diphenhydramine intake from 25mg to 50mg to add some more sedation.
I'd welcome opinions from folks on other ways to improve the DHC experience!
T-45min - 11oz WGJ + 30mg DXM
T-30min - 5.5oz WGJ + 25mg diphenhydramine HCl
T (6:30pm) - 5.5oz WGJ + 40mg DHC IR (whole oral) + 60mg DHC ER (whole oral)
T+1hr - Beginning to feel good. :D I can understand why people call DHC a stimulating opiate rather than a sedating opiate. I think I prefer the sedating aspect of hydro and oxy and am going to have to look into ways to intensify the sedation aspect with the DHC, if possible. I feel warm and nice...and talkative.
T+1.5hrs - Mouth is getting dry - drinking lots of water. Still feeling good.
T+2.5hrs - Scarfed down half a pizza and more water. I didn't eat much today, so my I was starving. Still feeling good.
T+3hrs - Had to go out to a concert with the GF which affected the buzz a bit, but not too bad. I would've preferred chilling at home.
T+5.5hrs - Home and in bed - the effects have certainly worn off a bit, but I can still feel the DHC a bit. I passed out pretty quickly - I fall asleep pretty quickly on the comedown from opiates.
zzzzZZZZzzzz
T+13hrs (7:30am) - Get up to go to the bathroom. After almost a minute of peeing, I started feeling quite dizzy and nauseous.
The nausea continued to intensify quite dramatically, so I made myself comfy on the floor in front of the toilet in preparation and leaned back against the wall and tried to focus on my breathing. I started to sweat. A lot. To the point where it felt like my skin was a sponge that was being squeezed. It was more than if I had been running at a sprint in the sun for that length of time. I closed my eyes and continued to focus on my breathing and did that for about 20-30 minutes. During that time, the dizziness and nausea thankfully began to slowly subside. The sweating continued up until about that time and then seemed to just stop completely more or less. I slowly got up and went back to bed and fell right asleep.zzzzZZZZzzzzz
T+17.5hrs (1pm) - Woke up cautiously. Downed some Pepto and a handful of dry cheerios. Not really feeling anything in particular, but just nervous about the nausea coming back...it didn't.
So yea…not an amazing experience. The buzz was ok and I liked the body feeling, but I didn't feel nearly as euphoric or sedate as I do on hydro or oxy. And WTF was with the experience in the bathroom? Some research I've done shows it might have been an 'opiate hangover' or that I consumed a bit too much for my tolerance (which I thought was a pretty safe dose). And if that's even remotely close to what withdrawl feels like, I don't want to get anywhere near that.
Next time I think I'm going to try plugging 60-80mg of the IR and avoid the ER all together until my tolerance is up or until I crush it up with some baking soda to defeat the time release mechanism a bit. Plugging is supposed to have much better BA than oral ROA with DHC, I've read. And I've thought about upping my diphenhydramine intake from 25mg to 50mg to add some more sedation.
I'd welcome opinions from folks on other ways to improve the DHC experience!
