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Benzos dextromethorphan & benzo/opiate withdrawal

qwe

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i'm wondering if anyone else has had this idea or had any success with it before i go out and get a bottle of dxm. as you know benzo & opiate w/d are full of negative body symptoms. i figure a dissociative (not at trip doses) could help with some of those

i say dextromethorphan just because ive never had any ketamine etc connects. it seems to have more side effects than the others, but at sub-trip doses maybe that'd be less of a problem (i've only used dxm 2-4 times in my life, so there's no tolerance. my doses were medium trip level i guess, usually 300mg)

i also know dissociatives can be addictive and i assume long term use would bring it's own problems so i'm talking about a week or two to get through the acute, then maybe a week or two using a smaller dose and more sporadically

i guess the main thing i'd worry about psychologically is how benzo and opie w/d can increase depersonalization and derealization, which are primary effects of dissociatives

chemically, dxm and other dissociatives increase dopamine levels right? seems like that'd also help with opiate withdrawals

can dxm increase or decrease anxiety? insomnia? any success with nmda antagonists for the crazier parts of w/d from downers?
 
the only relationship I know of between dextromethorphan and opiates is that it prevents and/or reduces tolerance. using dxm during withdrawals at levels where you can "feel it" would seem little more than masochism, and using it at recommended therapeutic doses will only help if you also have a cough
 
Hey qwe, i had put a similar post about ketamine lower my opiate tolerance..

I have gotten my tolerance skyhigh w opanas in the past. And I have used 4meoPCP and ketamine with success. Meaning my opana tolerances was like 450mg IV to just 40mgs rectal or sniffing per day.

I am actually going to try DXM this weekend to further lower my tolerance.
From what I have heard, ketamine (not sure about the other dissociative) activates a neighbor of the mu opioid receptor.

Also, I think K is only psychologically addictive and not physically addictive (although tolerance is an issue).
 
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fyi the opiate withdrawal is post acute (less crazy than acute) and the benzo withdrawal is becoming post acute slowly (been 2wk, anxiety and insomnia still high though)

the combination of the two is like opiates and benzos synergizing eachother but applied to wd.. muscles stiff and sore and any pain sensation is increased and there's twitchiness and unpleasant sensations

i was thinking something like 45-90mg. tachycardia (and raised b.p., from wiki) don't seem too good, nor does more IBS. oh well. i can live with the unpleasantness

i thought i could maybe ride out the symptoms for a while with less pain/body signals coming through due to the dissociative effect. not sure about dxm's side effects interering with wd effects though
 
ive taken ketamine in benzo withdrawal. large dose made me forget about withdrawal i was so out of it but as soon as i came down i felt bad again.
 
I took approximately 400 mg of DXM while I was in a moderate phase of benzo withdrawal. I developed a psychosis where I thought that my body was already dead, and that I was being digested by bacteria and other parasites from the inside (partially true, but without my body fighting back). I just remember having this extremely painful pins and needle sensation throughout my entire body, and I thought that if I moved, my chest would cave in and somehow my consciousness would then escape my dead body. Albeit, there was a slight sense of euphoria throughout this. I wasn't ready to let go of it quite yet. Somehow, after the initial psychedelic phase of the trip, I started to feel my heart beat in a big way.

This lead to very dangerous tachycardia. I tried counting my heart rate, I had it somewhere over 200. After the tachycardia started, panic came with it and euphoria ended. At this point, I was still afraid to move, but I felt that if I didn't, I surely was going to die (and probably was). I still had a few emergency klonopins laying around. After taking that and several magnesium supplements, I started feeling like I was going to survive.

After the trip, I had a prolonged period of HPPD lasting roughly 30 months. My symptoms included: olfactory hallucinations - minor; auditory hallucinations - severe; cognitive dysfunction - moderate; anxiety - moderate; motor dysfunction - moderate; muscle fasciculations - moderate; floaters - severe; auras - moderate; depression - severe.

To put the above in perspective, I have used DXM on many occasions. Prior to said experience report, my average dose would be between 900-1500 mgs. However, these doses were taken when I was on benzos.

Anyway, I would HIGHLY suggest anyone who is going through benzo withdrawal to avoid all substances except for ones which one is dependent on. Any psychedelics/dissociatives/alcohol can be disastrous as all can worsen symptoms. (Alcohol worsens symptoms due to it's incredibly short half-life and how it basically smacks the shit out of your gaba-alpha receptor sites. This is sheer stupidity to do while you are going through benzo withdrawal, because you are setting yourself up for massive seizures)
 
I highly recommend doing a medical detox from Benzo's.

Don't fuck around dude. I was in detox, and still had a seizure.

Be smart man, do it the right way.

when it comes to opiates, do it anyways you want. You aint gonna die from that.

Benzo WD's are insane. Be prepared to feel like shit for at least a month.

PM me if you wanna know more.
 
^ That's because I thought it was over with. It comes and it goes. But, lately, it's been gone for a long time. Mind you, when it comes back it is very light and bearable. I just have to avoid all drugs for a few days and it goes away. I wouldn't call it withdrawal anymore, just post-withdrawal symptoms that have lingered in a mild form.
 
I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. As I feel perfectly normal the vast majority of the time. But, alcohol, thc/jwh-xxx, and kratom (only when I take waaay too much) tend to bring it out. Of course, I can ignore it, as I'm used to it, and it doesn't impact my life negatively. I see it as an extended hangover.
 
From what I have heard, ketamine (not sure about the other dissociative) activates the sigma opioid receptor (neighbor of the mu opioid receptor).
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The sigma receptor is no longer considered an opioid receptor, though some opioids may interact with it. Agonists at this receptor are known to cause convulsions and tachycardia so those ligands should probably be avoided.

I'm just curious, how did you think DXM would help with the WD?
 
I would say not to do it. I dosed on DXM and forgot to do any opiates that day and went into major withdrawals, slept like shit, and didn't think to take any pills until the next day. One of the worst drug experiences of my life other than shooting 30mg of Zolpidem (ambien).
 
dxm for opiate withdrawal

dosing 3-4 times a day on this - only 225mg per time, but still... Its the only thing keeping me comfy...

Are there any dangers...?

also, how long does a naltrexone detox take. Had an implant, brought back withdrawals big time. 4th day clucking. I took one subutex after going cold turkey for over a week, last wednesday. Naltrexone implant on friday. Still feel shit...

Help!!!
 
shifting over to OD.

OD mods, I'm sure that this has been covered previously somewhere, if you could find the appropriate thread and merge that'd be great :)

CB :)
 
yes I'm pretty sure there is a danger with taking 900mg of dxm a day, that sounds extremely unhealthy. I wouldn't use a dose that high.
 
While 900mg is a high dose, if it's only for a short time then you likely won't sustain any damage. DXM is great for withdrawals though!
 
Take a shot of vodka a day. It will help stop the DXM from hurting your body.

i'm assuming you're meaning that as a joke, please don't recommend such things please without some confirming evidence. i've never heard such a thing. alcohol, ime, only exacerbates the negatives of opiate withdrawal. instead of UAing your post i left this disclaimer. - leftwing
 
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