Stimulants dextroamphetamine - 1st time, got some 10mg pills. [Dosage/Harm Reduction/Adivice]

[sveets]

So I got my hands on some 10 mg dexis. Problem is, I've never experimented with them before. I've used every ADD med in the world countless times, but never Dex which I've heard is pretty close to Crystal, which I have also never tried. I'm more into downers and opiates.

I'm not trying to get "high" per say. Basically, I'm working everyday for the next 9 days straight and I'm always on something just to help get through the boredom of the workday. Most of the times it's a mix of benzos (k-pins which i'm prescribed, or xannies which I have quite a few of at the moment). Sometimes, I go to work on opies, but I'm in recovery for a Oxy/Heroin/Any other Opie I could get my hand on for the past 2 years. So, I also take subs.

Tomorrow I go into work at 12pm (it's a retail store, VERY boring, but it can get super busy at certain times). I will be on at least .5-2mg of Suboxone because I am prescribed 2mg a day, and probably between .5-4mg of Xanax (throughout the course of my shift). I'm just wondering how many mg I should start out with with the Dextroamphetamine. I've done the same combo but with 10-20mg of Adderall and Ritalin instead of Dex, but from my research Dex is much more powerful and "closer" to Crystal. I don't want to be tweaking out or anything, I just want to get through the day easily, do some good work, be super focused, etc... to make the shift go by quicker, you know?

Anyone with experience with Dex, please let me know how much I should start with. I was thinking of taking 1/4 of the 10mg pill around 11am, and work my way up if I need more. Tomorrow is a short shift, only 12pm-5pm so I would like to be able to sleep tomorrow night lol.

Thanks



edit- Thought, I should mention. I work alone. It's a small store, so managers/co-workers suspecting stuff won't be an issue)

 

[pizzystrizzy]

1/4 of the pill and working up slowly is certainly the safest route, but if you are tolerant to stimulants you may not notice 2.5 mg of dex (and, in general, the other risk with this sort of strategy is that it is easy to take more than you would have liked to take if you don't start out in advance with planned dose or a planned maximum dose). Many people who take it daily find 30mg to be either the right dose or on the low side (though I'm certainly not recommending you take 30mg). You mentioned you are familiar with other psychostimulants -- perhaps if you listed a few others and the approximate equivalent dose you are looking for, I could give you more specific advice.

 

[pizzystrizzy]

Wait reading comprehension, you already said 10-20 mg of adderall. 75% of adderall is dex; the other 25% is l-amphetamine which is active but much less so, more peripheral and NE than DA. So, as a rule of thumb, take 75% of the dose of adderall you would have taken, and try combining that with a cup of coffee-- roughly the same effect.

 

[sveets]

Thanks for the quick response. I don't use stims a lot. Actually, very rarely. Last time I worked for 9 hours after taking 10mg of Adderall an hr before work and was still feeling it by the time I left.

My main concern is 1) I don't want to be tweaking @ work, 2) I want to make sure the mixture of Suboxone (1-2mg), Xanax (1-4mg) and the Dex will be safe.

I was under the impression Dex is much much stronger than Addies and they last longer. But if Adderall is 75% Dex, then it shouldn't be a huge difference I assume.


edit- Also, I hear the comedown from Dex is really bad. Is this a myth? Or is it basically just the same as Adderall or maybe even Blow? I have plenty of benzos and booze to handle the comedown once I get home from work.

 

[pizzystrizzy]

I can't speak to what the come down might be like at mega doses, but in my experience with therapeutic doses, its not any worse than methylphenidate or adderall. On occasion if I'm feeling a bit irritable at the end of the day when my dose (70mg of vyvanse, equal to approx. 30 mg of dex) has worn off, I take .25mg of alprazolam and I feel great (strange I think that it effects me so well at such a low dose as I used to be somewhat dependent on alprazolam years ago and .25 mg would not have been anywhere close to noticeable). That said, as a general rule the pattern of stimulant + subsequent benzo is not one to make a habit of.

The comedown is not going to be any worse than adderall, since adderall itself is mostly dex. Adderall contains four different salts that are metabolized at a different rate so your dex blood level is going to rise a little slower, which generally makes the comedown softer, but the difference here I think is pretty trivial particularly at the doses we are talking about (and I assume you are planning on taking the pill orally rather than by insufflation). You could solve this problem by breaking your dose in half and taking it 15 minutes apart which would simulate the slightly slower onset of adderall. You can't even put dex and cocaine in the same category in terms of comedown -- that's like comparing beer and everclear in terms of which will make you more drunk (that is, either could make you extremely drunk if you had enough, but in normal practice the experience is quite different).

I really can't advise you on the safety of the combination with buprenorphine. It doesn't *sound* particularly dangerous to me in the doses you described, but I would urge caution in general in these matters. I'm certainly a bit more concerned about the combination of buprenorphine and alprazolam, which would have a tendency to amplify the sedating effects of one another (and I have no idea how tolerant to either you are although if you are prescribed buprenorphine I'm guessing its more of a baseline maintenance dose). In any event, dex + alprazolam or dex + buprenorphine both seem less dangerous than buprenorphine + alprazolam. I can't speak to the combination of all three but no specific danger stands out to me. I know there is some research suggesting amphetamine + buprenorphine is helpful for harm reduction in addicts prone to speedballs (e.g., http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17228335).

So, my suggestion is that if you are going to do this, start with 2.5 and after an hour an a half take another 2.5 if the dose is too low, but don't exceed that on your first day. Then, the following day, if everything went well and 2.5 wasn't sufficient on its own, try 5 mg and then, if necessary, take another 2.5 after an hour and a half, keeping in mind that 7.5mg is basically all of the d-amph but none of the l-amph of your 10mg adderall dose, so it will be no stronger than the 10mg adderall dose. If 10mg of adderall was too much, I would think 7.5 mg of d-amp would be the most you'd want to take until you were very comfortable with how that dose effected you.

If you can split your buprenorphine dose and start with less and wait and see how it feels once you've taken the d-amph before taking the other half, that would be even better, since some people report that the d-amph slightly increases the effects of the bup. But in general, you are talking about pretty small doses here. If I doubled my vyvanse dose (the equivalent of 60mg of d-amp), I don't think anyone would notice except maybe my fiance because she knows me extremely well and what she would notice, if she noticed, is just that I was more focused and less hungry. I could almost certainly triple my dose and be fine at work without anyone thinking anything was unusual besides being in a very creative/enthusiastic mood. But, I take this every day and have the tolerance to show for it. And if I took 4mg of alprazolam, I'm not sure I'd be able to stay awake even with my regular stimulant dose -- so obviously my tolerance to stimulants means my experience aren't going to generalize to someone who has no stim tolerance.

So, in sum, I can't speak to how it will effect you with that much certainty; the one thing I am fairly certain about is that 7.5mg of dex will be no stronger, and perhaps slightly less strong, than 10mg of adderall.

 

[Znegative]

Dextroamphetamine/dexadrine isn't much stronger than adderall (adderall is 75% dextroamphetamine and 25%levoamphetamine), I think 10mg of Adderall/mixed amphetamine salts is equal to like, 7.5mg of dextroamphetamine (which makes sense considering the percentage of d-amp and l-amp in adderall).

Taking 2.5mg is probably not going to result in any noticeable effect. If you want to play it safe, start off with 5mg at least... You'll probably end up needing around 10-15mg to feel any prominent effects (assuming you're takin it orally). I wouldn't take it at the same time as the clonazepam though, wait until the amphetamine wears off to use the benzo.

 

[pizzystrizzy]

^^He already said 10mg of adderall was too strong -- He isn't going to need "around 10-15mg [of dextroamphetamine] to feel any prominent effects."

 

[sveets]

ended up taking 7.5mg (1/4 at a time). I really didn't notice much, I was expecting it to be more intense. I was on 2mg of Suboxone and like 3-4mg of Xanax at the same time tho.

It made the work shift go by quicker and I felt more motivated than normal at work. I think I'll trying taking 10mg and much less Xanax the next time I have a long shift.


It was probably the Subs and Xanax, but I was actually really kind of disappointed by the Dex. People I know who have taken it before said it was super intense, but then again I don't know what dose they were on and they probably weren't on as many benzos/downers if any.

Thanks for all the replies guys.

Oh, and I didn't feel any crash at all. Compared to Adderall, the Dex seemed "cleaner" I guess. Addies (even at 10mg) make me tweaky and give me a pretty bad comedown.

 

[sveets]

^^He already said 10mg of adderall was too strong -- He isn't going to need "around 10-15mg [of dextroamphetamine] to feel any prominent effects."

I never meant to say 10mg of Addie was too strong. Sorry if you misunderstood. I've taken up to like 120mg of Adderall before, I just don't use uppers often besides Blow every once in a while.

 

[pizzystrizzy]

Err I guess I didn't mean too strong -- my only point was that if you took 10 mg of adderall and were still feeling positive effects 9 hours later, then it is not the case that you would need *more* dextroamphetamine in order to feel the effects. That's all.

 

[sveets]

I think Adderall just affects me differently than Dex. The "hangover" and "comedown" seem to last for a very long time whenever I take Addies.

 

[hatrix]

I think Adderall just affects me differently than Dex. The "hangover" and "comedown" seem to last for a very long time whenever I take Addies.

That's the levoamphetamine for you.

Cut down on the Xanax, it's killing the dextroamphetamine. Regardless of tolerance, I wouldn't recommend combining a benzo with your stimulant unless you are prone to anxiety. In that case, dose very low just to take the edge off. Save it for the comedown though if you don't have anxiety problems when speeding.

 

[Znegative]

^^He already said 10mg of adderall was too strong -- He isn't going to need "around 10-15mg [of dextroamphetamine] to feel any prominent effects."

Yeah but adderall can/is often perceived as more 'speedy' due to the addition of levoamphetamine. I suggested to start off with 5mg, not to jump to 10-15mg, that's just what I said I'd imagine he'd end up using for noticeable effects.