Opioids Desomorphine harm reduction?

[Trying2Iso]

i don't have any, i just wanted to know if it is even able to be purified, altho nobody ever does it apparently..
My understanding is the gangrene and tissue damage from injecting it are caused by unpurified batches of the stuff...
If those illegal Desomorphine labs in russia were able to purify it and willing to, a LOT less harm could be caused>

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Do not ingest, that is the harm reduction for it on the streets.

 

[C_Tripper]

The stuff you are talking about is barely desomorphine. In fact, some chemists who are a lot smarter than I am have no clue what you end up with after that disgusting method.

In theory, yes, you probably could "purify" the end-product. In fact, I'd suggest that if you were convinced you wanted to try this, you must purify it, simply because most of the damage that is caused by this is due to the absolutely disgusting alchemy (I refuse to call what these idiots are doing chemistry) leaving plenty of corrosive solvents behind.

In practice, while I'm usually all for trying any drug that comes my way, what you're talking about is one that you couldn't pay me to take.

Now, if they actually had made pure desomorphine from Codeine (using the proper 3-step syth), then hell yeah I'd give it a go. This Krokodil bullshit? Not a chance in hell

 

[dopemegently]

Lot of threads turning up like this: "oh god, it said in the news krokidil's been showing up in my city, what if I buy some by mistake and it eats my flesh"!? Relax, it's highly, highly unlikely we'll be seeing a krokidil epidemic anytime soon, and I don't care for these hysteria stories the press are throwing out. If you ask me, it's a bit of an urban myth to terrify junkies. Nobody in their right mind would willingly inject that shit - those Russians were fucking desperate; they had no access or money for heroin, and no access whatsoever to bupe or methadone - a situation like that is gonna make people do some very dangerous/crazy shit to themselves to stop the sick, and harm reduction is the last thing on their minds. Just count yourself lucky we don't live in a place like that.

RE the OP's question, in the extremely unlikely event you score some krokodil; a good HR strategy would be to flush it down the toilet. There's no chance this caustic crap could get passed of as dope, as some people have worried about - apparently, it's a clear, slightly off white solution, and it reeks of strong chemicals ie nothing like dope.

On the other hand, if some clean and refined desomorphine did make it to the streets (also unlikely imo) I can see it would tempt a lot of users. Fifteen times the strength of morphine would tempt any opiate user imo. Not me though; the effects last 90 minutes to two hours, and the withdrawals are supposed to be far more sever than heroin...and last a month. Fuck that. If there's any clean desomorphine out there "in the wild", I doubt it's gonna be in retail/wholesale amounts; imo it'd be cooked in small amounts by skilled back-room chemists, and seeing how very addicting the shit is, it's unlikely they'd want to share theirs.

 

[rhythmtech]

the effects last 90 minutes to two hours, and the withdrawals are supposed to be far more sever than heroin...and last a month.

Even that sounds like scare tactics or urban myths. No one really knows, I doubt there has been any reputable studies done..

If the effects only last a few hours, common sense and logic would dictate the withdrawals would also be comparatively short, no?

 

[Crankinit]

I don't understand all this talk about month-long withdrawals. I thought acute w/d's were related in duration to the half-life of the drug, how could it last 1/3 the time heroin does but put you in w/d for 10x the duration? Sounds to me like the media are fabricating or exaggerating, like they love to do with new drugs.

Oh and at least one article in DITM had two women who were purchasing the stuff in the US, thinking it was heroin, and by the sound of it in powder form, so there's no 100% guarantee that you'll know it when you see it. I'd think with as many intelligent and experienced drug users as we have here on BL, we could come up with something better than 'just say no.' That's a little pathetic and, as we all know, utterly useless advice when it comes to the reality of drug use. People are using this stuff, and more will, maybe not many, maybe not anywhere near where you live, but if there's a chance that at least one of them could come here looking for advice, a chance that there's any advice to be offered, then this community should be trying to make it available. That's what BL is for.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

With shit like this, it's flush it, or fuck yourself up really badly...

There is no middle ground to this.

 

[tricomb]

This subject matter has been discussed repeatedly ad nauseum, and so I'm closing this and advising the OP to use the forum search engine to find info on desomorphine.


It certainly can be synthesized to a pharmaceutical grade using legitimate solvents, catalysts, reactants, hopefully no petroleum products... but anyways yes in theory it can be done but this is not the place to learn how to make desomorphine, and we don't condone it's abuse via the clearly devastating harm induced by it's abuse as demonstrated in hundreds of thousands of ex-soviet and Russian ghettos. It's cheaper than heroin, I would equate it a bit to in America, smurfing packs of pseudo and synthesizing using the idiotic, to say unstable and unsafe are understatements of the year.... Those Li strips are so fucking reactive. and if you're not venting it like every few seconds, the pressure will also cause a huge firey blast and kill you if not land you in the ICU Critical Burn Unit. whichever is worse...

Anyways, IMO meth manufacture should be left to the Fictitious Walter White's of this world, who know chemistry and do a proper full synth and reach near Desoxyn-grade, vs shake n bake which produces absolute shit low quality crank is inferior to properly mfc'd methamphetamine hydrochloride, not to condone the abuse of any of these. But just like desomorphine, the synth process in a clandestine "lab" with poor ventilation and volatile explosive liquids phase changing rapidly evaporating into gaseous form, it is so fucking dangerous, one static shock and that could be the end of your life, as you knew it. The shake and bake and desomorphine prep process are similar in that they produce highly toxic and carcinogenic, mutagenic, teratogenic, biocidal, toxic oh so toxic to humans, animals, and the local groundwater and environment. Much more waste than a proper cook, that's for DAMN sure.