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~~~Definition of Ayahuasca~~~

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Teotzlcoatl

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~~~Definition of Ayahuasca~~~

Ayahuasca ONLY contains botanicals, herbs and plants from the Amazon River Basin.
Ayahuasca must contain Banisteriopsis caapi.
Ayahuasca often contains Psychotria viridis
Ayahuasca often contains Diplopterys cabrerana
Ayahuasca may or may not contain Ilex guayusa, Uncaria tomentosa or other traditional additives.
Ayahuasca may or may not contain other botanicals, herbs and plants from the Amazon River Basin.
Ayahuasca does NOT contain Peganum harmala or Mimosa species, nor does it contain other plants which are not native to the Amazon River Basin.



Ayahuasca is a caapi brew which may or may not contain other native plants from the amazon... but it doesn't contain plants like mimosa which grows 100s of miles away in completely different habitats and certainly not things like Syrian Rue.
 
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As long as it tastes bad, makes me vomit, and contains dmt and a MAOi, its ayahuasca to me.
 
why did bluelight discontinue permabans?? clearly the reason teo keeps getting banned is not going to stop...

oh, and my ayahuasca is made from mimosa hostilis and syrian rue....:|
 
You realise saying that "it may contain other plants from the amazon" and then disqualifying all other non native plants is completely ridiculous right? For one, the flora of the amazon rainforest is about the largest band of flora you could possibly imagine. To not include other plants simply because of their locale is retarded. (Clearly you have no specific reason to not include plants that aren't amazon natives other than general plant racism)
 
....I start getting annoyed of constantly stumbling over threads trying to tell me what I have to think, believe, know or even consider as "true".
plz teo: stop being that dogmatic and -even worse- missionary.
maybe it's necessary for your well-being to clinch to rules, frames, dogmas whatsoever. that's ok. (I guess you're slightly uncertain about some crucial things in your life and often see youself/your identity in (external) danger...)
but, please: don't try to convince people of what u know to be your truth.

for me it just feels a little too "invasive".(with a relation to hybris)

I personally try to be open, non-judgemental and respectful. to myself and to others(including you :) )...
<3
 
Teotzlcoatl said:
~~~Definition of Ayahuasca~~~

Ayahuasca ONLY contains botanicals, herbs and plants from the Amazon River Basin.
Ayahuasca must contain Banisteriopsis caapi.
Ayahuasca often contains Psychotria viridis
Ayahuasca often contains Diplopterys cabrerana
Ayahuasca may or may not contain Ilex guayusa, Uncaria tomentosa or other traditional additives.
Ayahuasca may or may not contain other botanicals, herbs and plants from the Amazon River Basin.
Ayahuasca does NOT contain Peganum harmala or Mimosa species, nor does it contain other plants which are not native to the Amazon River Basin.



Ayahuasca is a caapi brew which may or may not contain other native plants from the amazon... but it doesn't contain plants like mimosa which grows 100s of miles away in completely different habitats and certainly not things like Syrian Rue.
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you peaked my curiosity as to where Mimosa hostilis is actually native to. so i decided to do a lil googling
wiki says its indigenous habitat coincides with some amazonian tribes. look at the map on the right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimosa_hostilis
 
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Yes but it doesn't grow in the Amazon River Basin and traditionally Mimosa was used in a very different brew than Ayahuasca.

Mimosa was used as a single ingredients in the cold-water brew called "Jurema".
 
^^^ agreed, doesn't ayahuasca mean "vine"?

honestly, I think arguments about nomenclature or terminology are kinda useless, especially when it comes to Ayahuasca, because the vast majority of people on BL talking about it are not indigenous shamans using ayahuasca in the cultural context that it has been used in for thousands of years. Some people certainly may be using it that way, but frankly, what difference does it make if people use mimosa and syrian rue for "ayahuasca"?
 
what difference does it make if people use mimosa and syrian rue for "ayahuasca"?
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It's incorrect use of the terminology and can lead to confusion.

What if I always called a Zebra a "Horse"?

Is it a horse? Well ya, kinda... but it obscures it's true meaning.

Call it Anahuasca or w/e, but not Ayahuasca because that, it isn't
 
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It's incorrect use of the terminology and can lead to confusion.

What if I always called a Zebra a "Horse"?

Is it a horse? Well ya, kinda... but it obscures it's true meaning.

Call it Anahuasca or w/e, but not Ayahuasca because that, it isn't
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One word is more than capable to hold two definitions which is very common in the English language.
 
An ethnobotanical is any plant people use... for any reason.

So OBVIOUSLY Pharms are not ethnobotanicals.
 
I don't think the definition of "pharmaceutical" is strictly confined to man-made compounds. According to my dictionary, the word describes "medicinal drugs, their preparation, use, or sale".
 
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^^^ agreed, doesn't ayahuasca mean "vine"?
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Ayahuasca means "Vine of the Souls" or "Spirit Vine" in the Quechua language.

B. Caapi really is the heart of ayahuasca. In some circles P. Viridis or any other dmt containing plant isnt even used. But personally when I use the term 'ayahuasca' I just mean any brew consisting of any MAOI containing plant used in conjunction with any N,N- DMT containing plant. Extracted N,N- DMT taken orally with an MAOI just isnt ayahuasca to me.
 
if y'all really think that the biochemical makeup of syrian rue and mimosa is the same as caapi, psychotria and diplopterys then you are fools

each plant has it's own unique profile of compounds, not just DMT!

that is what makes the difference

i believe the fact that syrian rue lacks THH has already been discussed

I'll call MHRB + Rue "Ayahuasca" just to piss off the purists. It's fun to watch them get their panties in a bunch.
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it's fun to watch you idiots who don't know what the hell your talking about

frenchie
 
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