Hi, I have been using colonazepam for about 6 or 7 years strait. I have a prescription. But 2 years ago, I found Etizolam. I thought it was a gift from God at first cuz my kpins weren't working anymore. I stayed on 8 mg of Etizolam for about a year, plus 2 mg of clonazepam per day. When I tried to taper off of the Etizolam, I went so crazy I ended up in a psych place for about 10 days. It was a nightmare, the entire time I had the 2 mg of kpin but cold turkeyed the etizolam in the rehab. I was hallucinating sooo bad. The worst part about the hallucinations for me is I hear voices and think other people can hear my thoughts. The voices are very mean. Anyways, after I left the rehab I moved in with my parents for a while and kept taking the 2 mg of kpin per day but stayed away from everything else. The only other benzo I touched was Diclazapam, which stopped the voices and made me feel normal without fucking me up. Anyways, its been a year since and I moved to Washington State for the pot, helps with the ptsd that benzo withdrawals have left me with over the years. About 3 months ago I fucked up and went on a 2 week Flubromazolam/lsa/alcohol binge. Lol I don't remember any of it, just that when I woke up from it, I was having muscle spasms all over my body, was constantly nausuas, having diarrhea, and my back hurt so bad that I could barely move. When I went to the doctor I was in so much pain that he gave me a script for 10 mg oxycodone instant release. He diagnosed me with pancreatitis and sent me to a GI because I wasn't digesting food right. The GI prescribed enzymes to help me with digestion and that fixed the diarrhea. He did an mri or something of my insides and said everything was fine. If I had pancreatitis then its not that bad. No more alcohol, I can live with that. Other than that the docs say I'm fine and can't find anything wrong. My back and muscles all over were still aching so badly that I decided, fuck it I'm gonna take 6 mg of kpin at once. Then, magically all my pain went away. Imagine that. So I'm not prescribed enough kpin to take 6 mg per day, so I ordered clonazolam off line. Dumb. At first they helped but now I'm addicted, have to dose at least .5 mg every 6 hours or so. I have only been taking them for 2 weeks though and haven't been taking my kpin. That's where I'm at now, I ordered some diclazapam and am planning on tapering using the ashton manual and taking my 2 mg of kpins with the taper. Does that sound like a decent plan for tapering off this clonazolam? I'm talking like finding the equivalent dose, then dropping 10 percent of my dosage every 2 weeks. Diclazepam has the longest half life which I read is the reason it is best to taper with. Any thoughts?
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The Ashton method is ideal for tapering. You may not need that much diclazepam if also planning to take your prescribed clonazepam. We have a benzo conversion chart, but diclazepam isn't listed on it. Maybe someone experienced with this drug could chime in. If you've only been using clonazolam for two weeks, (unless I read this wrong) it shouldn't take that long to wean off.
I think the tricky part in all this is your self-medicating. If you can trust yourself not to over-use them, by all means go for it. But if you find that it's gotten out of control again, seek help from a medical professional to assist with the taper.
I think the tricky part in all this is your self-medicating. If you can trust yourself not to over-use them, by all means go for it. But if you find that it's gotten out of control again, seek help from a medical professional to assist with the taper.
Fig
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diclazapam 1 mg=10 mg diazapam. I bought a gram of diclazapam in powder and a mg scale. I know its going to be difficult to dose but I can't find the 2 mg diclazapam pellets in the states. Right now I have a tolerance of about 120 mg of diazapam per day because I was taking 6 mg of kpin and .5 kpin= 10 mg diazapam. I figure I will start at about 6 mg of diclaz (60 mg of diazapam) and my regular 2 mg of kpin (technically another 40 mg of diazapam), 1 in the morning and 1 at night. Also split up the diclaz half and half. From there taper about 1 mg of diclaz (10 mg diazapam) every 2 weeks until I get down to my regular medicated dose of kolonapin, then worry about the 2 mg of kpin that I'm prescribed after I'm off the RC benzos.
Fig
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Click the link I posted to Ashton and look at the 3mg clonaz taper and double it, plus add and extra week to each of the first four weeks. Then do your calclations for diclaz and that should be a pretty accurat representation of what yo need to do.
The thing is you need to be as accurate as possible with your scale because otherwise your taper is gonna be off and potentially ineffective if you are repeatedly dosing over or under your target.
The thing is you need to be as accurate as possible with your scale because otherwise your taper is gonna be off and potentially ineffective if you are repeatedly dosing over or under your target.
jammin83
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When it comes to detoxing off benzos, check yourself into a hospital. I wouldn't even bother with trying to taper with more sketchy ass benzos off the RC market. You have a greater chance of fucking yourself off with those things (self-medicating) than anything. At least just talk with your doc and plan on a taper with Rx benzos if you don't want to detox. Of course, the tricky part (as always) is staying clean. Since detoxing from a high dose of xanax in jail, it's been easy enough for me to never look back. I wished I could have gotten medical help, maybe you should really look into that instead of trying to do this on your own. I am really lucky that I didn't die from that detox. If you are in the US, afaik, they don't put that stuff on your credit anymore so detox in peace.
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^^Yeah, I agree
OP, you are in a difficult situation, but it could have been worse, trust me. I'm glad that you stopped and took some time for deep thinking and realised that what you have been doing has gone out of hand. There are some great advices above, and you should definitely listen to them. Another advice: stay away from Flubromazolam, as dangerous as this substance is by itself, by mixing it with alcohol, you're just begging for disaster.
0.5mg Clonazolam = 2mg Diclazepam = 20mg Diazpeam
I assume you're taking 1.5mg to 2mg Clonazolam a day. That's 6 -8mg Diclazepam. You can only taper by -0.25mg Clonazolam every 3 days, which means that if you switch to Diclazepam, the quickest taper possible will be a decrease by 1mg Diclazepan every 3 days, which would take a total of 24 days. You can do it, we will always be here to support and help you if you have any questions. Good luck and stay safe
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I'm hopefully getting the diclaz tomorrow so I'll let you know. Hopefully I won't have to go to rehab. I've tapered benzos on my own before, just sometimes it was harder than others. I'm going to keep taking the kpins for now as prescribed, and I havn't taken them in over 2 weeks so they should work well with the diclaz slow taper. diclaz stays in your system for like 200 hours so slowly tapering a little every 2 weeks or so won't be bad. We'll see...
jammin83
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Well, there is this theory that long acting drugs are easier to taper off of. There is also a theory that half lives dont matter much when it comes to psych drugs because the adaptations in your brain are more of the issue than the time it takes to leave your system. Seek medical help, don't worry about rehab. Just don't harm yourself in the process. You are on sketchy ground man. Be safe brother/sister.
ok i just messured out .006 of a g (6mg) of diclaz on this scale, licked it off the scale, and popped a kpin so i'll let you guys know whats up either later or tomorrow. I made sure the scale was calabrated and tested it with 10 g weights, so it should be accurate. The only problem is I can't get it to measure anything under .006 g... so I guess I'll figure that out later on. Just glad to hopefully not need the colonalam anymore.
dmtmixalis
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Good luck! Mental strength in the form of not redosing is the most valuable tool when it comes to tapering. As long as you don't up your dose you should be sound.
jammin83
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You need to be weighing increments of more than 6 mg to get it to read precisely. I would recommend volumetric dosing. Measure out 20 - 40 mg at a time and put it in 20 - 40 ml of water using an oral syringe. That would be 1mg/ml for convenience sake but you can do whatever ratio you want. If you have a gem20 or similar it's not going to be accurate at that low of a dosage.
jammin83
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Yeah, that would probably work too or maybe alcohol. Really a suspension in just about anything would be fine so long as it is uniformly distributed.
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If you are anything like me I would seek professional help. Some people can control a taper themselves but I would wager they are few and far between, I certainly can't. I would back the assertion that long half-lives make tapering easier, if you can dose once a day and then forget about it then it helps you move on from the constant obsession with changing how you feel to a degree. As I'm sure you realise tapering from benzos is no joke; go for it by yourself if you think you can make a good go of it but don't shy away from the idea of asking for help. Using multiple benzos during a taper is never ideal either.
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This thread just made me realise how glad I am to be off that roller-coaster. Thankyou
Worth repeating. Just because you've "tapered benzos on [your] own before" doesn't mean you're ready for whatever curve-balls RCs are going to throw at you. Especially since you felt "normal" after dosing yesterday--that's a sign you've taken too much (i.e. "enough" as in, not really tapering).
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^very true
The reality of a taper is that you are going to feel ok for a few hours a day at best and the rest of the time you are going to be slightly off. If you're feeling good at any point then you're probably making things worse not better.
The reality of a taper is that you are going to feel ok for a few hours a day at best and the rest of the time you are going to be slightly off. If you're feeling good at any point then you're probably making things worse not better.
The last time I took the diclaz was almost 72 hours ago and I'm back on my regular meds and taking them as prescribed. I'll only take the diclaz again if I need it but I think I only needed it to come off the clonazolam for a few days because the half life for clonazolam is like 14 hours and diclaz is 42 hours at least... some sources say over 100 hours but I'm totally sober so I think all the therapeutic effects have worn off. I was only on clonazolam for 2 weeks and was abstaining from my real clonazapam so now I'm back on 2mg of real kpin per day and 200 mg of seroquil, and if I need to take the diclazepam, I'll only take it every few days and taper my doses. So far so good coming off of clonazolam, I'll update in a week and let you guys know how I am. Diclazepam seems so useful for tapering I have been thinking of it as the suboxone of benzos. Like I said I'll update in a few weeks just so we know exactly how well the diclaz worked, because I was real bad on these benzos.
Its been almost 2 weeks without colonazalam and I feel pretty good. Only had to take the diclaz 3 or 4 times to help me get off it. Joints and muscles still ache like hell, other than that I'm ok. Would definitely recommend diclaz to anyone in rc benzo hell and wants to taper.