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December 2012

chemicalwasteland

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December 2012, like 7 years away, predicted to be many things.
Such as: end of the world, polar change, next overtone to immortallity, i have heard soo much, what are your thoughts on the subject and try to include references.
 
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183348&highlight=ascension
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183415&highlight=ascension

I believe the word I'm looking for is "bullshit". Ther is zero physical evidence for any of these claims, and everything people raise is just heresay and conjecture. Any of the so called science people claim is backing up their ideas is just crap. Unsurprisingly, none of the points I raised in those other threads have been retorted by so claimants.
 
Do you know how many Goddamn times the world had been predicted to end so far?

And if it does? I'll be right there in the middle, rollin' balls to the walls!!!
 
You and everyone else
The Party at the End of Time

I believe 2012 may be a time when the structure of the world goes through an important change. As for the details, I see many possibilities, many of them having some common ground with each other.
 
yougene said:
You and everyone else
The Party at the End of Time

I believe 2012 may be a time when the structure of the world goes through an important change. As for the details, I see many possibilities, many of them having some common ground with each other.

Why do you think this? What evidence did you base your decision on?
 
The Mayan Calander ends Dec 12 2012 because it just happened to be the last day they got done in making thier calander before they stopped for, whatever reason. Pretty simple really.


And some people listen to Coast to Coast Am with Art Bell too much. ;)
 
EpicureanDream said:
Why do you think this? Mostly intuition.


What evidence did you base your decision on?
I take a multifaceted approach so it would be difficult to list all the observations and connecting them all together. The theory of the Technological Singularity stands out to me when dealing from a technical point of view. The rate of technological advancement is increasing and the world is changing faster and faster. The stability of the current government structure relies on three major things military, relatively centralised control of information, and consumerism.

The majority of Americans get their information from television. Most of these mainstream outlets are owned by 1 to 3 different corporations. Corporations which get funding from the federal government.... This centralised source of information re-enforces(and modifies?) the picture of what an American is. A picture most Americans mold themselves to, to some extent. This image that people subconscioussly mold themselves around produces individuals that bring stability to the societal structure(e.g people whose lives revolve around consuming and working, with little interest in leading an active life in politics). So what happens when this source of information is decentralized? Already weblogs and person to person file sharing are taking over. What happens if major weblogs decide to join together and form a collective much like we see with mainstream television? What effect will this have on the persons identity and what role they play in society? How will the government adapt to these changes?

What role will the military play when all one needs to do is attack the technological structure of society? How do you protect against such attacks?



There are many unanswered questions that obviously have some very interesting and profound answers. There is little doubt in my mind that society and government are on the verge of relatively sudden change. The exact direction taking isn't clear to me but there are some apparent courses.
 
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rowland2110 said:
The Mayan Calander ends Dec 12 2012 because it just happened to be the last day they got done in making thier calander before they stopped for, whatever reason. Pretty simple really.

Mayans saw time differently than we do in the west. To us time is a straight line that moves forwards. To them time was cycles.
 
Remember how all the computers melted down in 2000 and were never operable again, and how all those huge corporations crashed, and how the sun blew up and we all died?

Oh you dont, how strange.
 
yougene said:
Mayans saw time differently than we do in the west. To us time is a straight line that moves forwards. To them time was cycles.
Despite having names for longer periods of time like
1 pictun = 20 baktun = 2,880,000 days = approx. 7885 years
1 calabtun = 20 pictun = 57,600,000 days = approx. 158,000 years
1 kinchiltun = 20 calabtun = 1,152,000,000 days = approx. 3 million years
1 alautun = 20 kinchiltun = 23,040,000,000 days = approx. 63 million years

If time cycles, why bother naming things which are longer than a cycle? Infact, according to here the "alautun" is the larger period of finite time which has a name in any calender.
yougene said:
As for the details, I see many possibilities, many of them having some common ground with each other.
Thats because many of the new theories are based on the Mayan calender, so they all that a common theme.

As for things like technological singularities, put it in context. Imagine if you'd brought someone from 1450 to 1650 Western society, with books, newspapers and the beginnings of a global civilisation, what would they have thought? "How can you possible keep track of everything? Things more so fast, you have so much information at your fingertips!". To someone native to 1650, it wouldn't have seemed too bad. Now consider bringing that person 1650 native to 1850, post industrial revolution. New faster ways to travel, the new invention of the telephone gives instant communication across thousands of miles, access to dozens of cultures histories in libraries, foreigners everywhere, even more newspapers, journals, leaflets. Then bring them to 2005. Global travel in under 36 hours, instant video communication anywhere on Earth, the entire collection of human knowledge accessible anywhere on Earth via the internet, early space travel, cars, seemingly "thinking" machines (to them anyway). To the person from 1450, it would seem even more inconceivably bewildering than someone from 1850.

Compared to them we probable receive millions of times the information they did each day, how do we cope? Simple, we ignore most of it. There are now so many areas of human thought noone can keep up with all of them. No "all rounder" has existed in science since 1600, and even physics since 1850. Instead, our population is large enough for there to be enough people interested in enough small sections of our culture to cover everything, and if they aren't interested, that section doesn't grow, it remains dormant, so its not like its running away from people.

Yes, if you try to take everything in, its too much, but who tries to keep agrasp of all world events along with all new technologies, all cultural developments? Noone. Why? Because you can't. Instead we filter it out, we learn new ways to summarise and get what information we want. Even now its too much for most people. I like physics, but there's always something I've never heard of before, despite it being "old news", when I read New Scientist or browse websites. In the future it'll just be more of the same.

Governments won't be swamped, how fast do entire countries change? Right now we have the ability to instantly contact anyone across a continent, so information can't move much quicker than present, so a sweeping change cannot be faster than it is at present.

If a person were to "drown" in a sea of information too much for them to handle, it would have happened long ago. Instead we've adapted and will continue to do so. What else do you expect to happen? People to throw their hands into the air and say "I have access to too much information about the 1975 NFL season, and the latest developments in wheat farming in Nebraska due to all this high speed technology, someone stop the Internet, I want to get off!" ? No, they'll just not bother trying to learn that information and just access what is relevant to their little world. As the information increases, they'll redefine what is relevant to them.
 
AlphaNumeric said:
Despite having names for longer periods of time like
1 pictun = 20 baktun = 2,880,000 days = approx. 7885 years
1 calabtun = 20 pictun = 57,600,000 days = approx. 158,000 years
1 kinchiltun = 20 calabtun = 1,152,000,000 days = approx. 3 million years
1 alautun = 20 kinchiltun = 23,040,000,000 days = approx. 63 million years

If time cycles, why bother naming things which are longer than a cycle? Infact, according to here the "alautun" is the larger period of finite time which has a name in any calender.
Thats because many of the new theories are based on the Mayan calender, so they all that a common theme.

Large cycles are built up of smaller cycles which can be broken down to even smaller cycles and so on...

The current large cycle is about to end and a new one is about to begin(or so the belief goes).




I didn't make myself very clear in the first post I was pretty scatter brained.

Basically the point I was trying to make is that the current system wasn't designed for the information age and dealing with such fast paced change. Sooner or later someone is going to have to redesign it pretty much from the ground up. Yes, there are people exploring every facet of existance, but it is often hard to integrate this experience and information into present day bureacracies(sp?) in an efficient and fully useful manner. Technology has become an integral part of our lives, if we don't manage and design it properly than it's just a disaster waiting to happen. The fact that something as simple as a distributed denial of service attack can practically bring down the internet(and the economy connected to it) is pretty ridiculous.

The obvious solution to me, is the decentralization of power and resources in some areas, and the centralization of power and resources and others. Changes in fundamental structures. This may or may not be around 2013, but the timing seems about right.
 
yougene said:
Mayans saw time differently than we do in the west. To us time is a straight line that moves forwards. To them time was cycles.


Really? You mean our calander doesnt start over and repeat itself? 8)

TIme seems to cycle, so long as we are on this planet. There are no seasons and no day and night in outer space.

The cycle is an illusion, but it is one human beings are meant to have.
 
A computer program McKenna helped develop predicts the future as well, at least up until December 21, 2012, when novelty spikes to infinity and the Timewave stops cold. For McKenna, all of human history, with its flotsam of books and temples and mechanized battlefields, is actually a backward ripple in time caused by this approaching apocalypse.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.05/mckenna.html?pg=4&topic=&topic_set=
 
to think that anything significant will happen because an ancient calendar has an end date appraoching is ignorant. im sure if the mayans would be disgusted with the new age interpretations of their calendar. and im pretty sure that if they were still around their calender would have been upadated by now to have the next year, 2013, also acconted for. to think that some kind of shift in "consciousness" should happen in within a single year or whatever, is stupid. ive heard alot of crap about alignments of the universe and time starting over or time just plain ending, and to be honest none of it makes any sense. Dont get me wrong im not a person who completely devotes himself to scientific belief but this is just absurd.
 
chemicalwasteland said:
A computer program McKenna helped develop predicts the future as well, at least up until December 21, 2012, when novelty spikes to infinity and the Timewave stops cold.
Out of interest, do you honestly believe that is based in any way, shape or form on actual science and hence predicts the future accurately or are you just posting it for others to read as information?
 
just as i am open to moon cycles affecting us, i am open to larger cycles affecting us too.

The Mayans seemed pretty switched on with their connection to astrology and it's significance.

While i don't make any strong assumptions about 2012, i do have some faith that it may have quite a large affect on our individual lives.

I believe there is a solar eclipse like a week beforehand which i definatly will be at.......... hehe who knows maybe the Mayan's were a few digits off and that's when the magic will happen ;)

It's funny how some people approach an issue from an extreme point, and in raction the sceptic will react by ONLY seeing it from the angle polar oppisite to the first claim. Both to me seem as foolish as each other.
 
AlphaNumeric said:
Out of interest, do you honestly believe that is based in any way, shape or form on actual science and hence predicts the future accurately or are you just posting it for others to read as information?

absolutly not, I base my beliefs only one what I know, but i am an extremely open minded person and will take anything into concideration besides structured religion. So yea it was just an interesting post I found somewhere along the way while reading about him in wired mag.

when it all comes down to it none of us know anything about anything, science is only theory of reoccuring events that we have known and have yet to prove against. so you basing everything on science is a bit small-minded? (deffinitly not trying to insult you I just couldnt think of a word).

All any of us know is what we have experienced for ourselves, we werent around 100 (1,000; 10,000) years ago to prove for ourselves anything, include a story book such as the bible.

I dont know maybe i have just taken way too many hallucinogens and just know that there is never a right answer to anything, and you cant trust anything for fact.

I just opened this thread to get a feel for others ideas on the subject as I have been seeing it alot lately, with many different theories attached to them that seem resonable.

Hell keep the thoeries and personal arguments comming, I love it.
 
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I believe either our reality will suddenly change, or it will be the begin of our end, like a massive war or natural disaster.
 
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