Darkdev's Methylone (BK-MDMA) Guide

[darkdev]

Darkdev's Methylone (BK-MDMA) Guide

The Basics

Methylone, aka M1, 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylcathinone, bk-MDMA is an entactogen and stimulant of the phenethylamine, amphetamine, and cathinone classes. It was originally patented by Peyton Jacob and Alexander Shulgin in 1996 as an antidepressant, and is chemically similar to MDMA.

Dose

150-200mg oral is a first starting dose, in pill, powder, parachute, or beverage
Insufflated: While some people like snorting Methylone, most think it does not produce better results than taking it orally.
Plugged dose is slightly lower at 100-200mg instead of 125-250. "Something" is felt almost instantaneously

some suggest 250mg oral attack dose for an intense experience.

Onset/Duration

Onset : 15 - 60 minutes
Duration : 2 - 3.5 hours (or possibly up to 5)
Normal After Effects : 6 - 24 hours

Boosting/Bumping

Methylone is sometimes used with a larger "attack" dose (first dose) and then smaller "bumps" to maintain the effects for a longer period. These bumps are taken orally or insufflated and are often around 30 - 100mg oral and 20-80mg insufflated.

A third-to-half-dose re-dose usually extends the duration for another hour, a full-dose redose often extends the duration for another 1-2 hours. Some say that taking a booster dose more than 2 hours after the initial dose will not result in extending the desired effects.

Every individual reacts differently to every chemical.

Legality

Methylone is unscheduled in the US, but could be illicit as a result of the Federal Analogue Act (if packaged as a drug).
Other countries:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/methylone/methylone_law.shtml

Effects

POSITIVE
• Stimulation
• extreme mood lift
• feeling of well-being/love/empathy
• ego softening
• feeling of closeness to others
• increased willingness to communicate
• increased appreciation of music
• increases awareness of senses (eating, drinking, smell, touching things)
• urge to hug and kiss people
• general change in consciousness (as with most psychoactives)
• pupil dilation
• difficulty focusing, restlessness
• change in perception of time
• slight increase in body temperature
• slight increase in heart rate

NEGATIVE (worse with higher dosages)
• Insomnia and restlessness, nausea, vomiting
• Derealization/depersonalization, hallucinations, and psychosis
• Tachycardia, bruxism (teeth clenching can be helped by preloading Magnesium supplements)
• Hyperthermia and sweating
• Mydriasis and nystagmus
• increased perspiration
• gastrointestinal discomfort, nausea and vomiting
• dizziness, confusion
• over-awareness & over-sensitization to music and noise
• paranoia, fear, uncomfortable spiritual experiences
• heart racing, heart palpitations

Methylone vs. MDMA

• I find methylone to be slightly more energetic and euphoric than MDMA

• There are no studies on the neurotoxicity of methylone, as far as I know, but I think it's probably safe to assume that since it is not as euphoric, it is also not responsible for similar levels of 5-HT depletion making it safer to take the drug more often than MDMA. But that's only an assumption. If I were you, I would still take the same vitamin-related precuations and still only dose every 3 months or so at the most. Then again, I seem to be alone on this board in the level of caution I show towards these drugs and their potential dangers, so....

• It's just not very intense, I'll never reach the same with M1 like I get on a MDMA highdose, but it just makes you happy, feeling good. It shows you the brigth lights in your life, ones that you could easiely overlook when you're driven by shadows. I'm happy right now, everything worked out for the better although I was doubting it hours before.

Methylone vs Cocaine

• Ingesting gets the full effects, snorting gives you a lot more energy. Oral = MDMA-like, Snort = Coke-like.

Methylone vs Mephedrone

• It's very similar to mephedrone, if you removed the speedy edge and urge to redose. Dosage and timing are roughly equivalent as well. It also doesn't have the glaring heart health concerns that mephedrone has, and won't turn your knees blue. It's really chill, I'm a fan.

Personal Experiences from WWW People

• This drug has some sexual overtones, very open. Great one for dancing; tactile sensations...

• I thought I give my methylone a shot. Did 120mg, felt wonderful after 15min. Did another 100mg an hour ago, and it's sooo beautiful, warm. It's just not very intense.

• Late Oct. Update: I had a wonderful experience on 125mg Methylone + 8 hours of pot at a party for friends.

• I experienced much more bliss on this night than my one MDMA experience (weak?).
I've tried small amounts orally and enjoyed it.

• It's very similar to mephedrone, if you removed the speedy edge and urge to redose. Dosage and timing are roughly equivalent as well. It also doesn't have the glaring heart health concerns that mephedrone has, and won't turn your knees blue. It's really chill, I'm a fan.

• Yeah I'm partial to methylone, not that I'd turn down some mephedrone

• if you enjoy snorting in general than i'd highly recommend it. gets me all lovey pretty quickly once it starts to drip. i haven't had some in a while, but i recall snorting a key or 2 per hour and the niceness lasted up to 5. then i had no urge to redose either. i wouldn't say it's as effective as dosing orally, but definitely worth trying.

• This substance is wonderful, i just have to say that again and again.

• Just some rant while I'm under the influence...if it doesn't make any sense just ignore it. Gonna get some White Widow now, let's see what the evening brings...peace, you alll

• PS: the essence of this all is: why kill your trip with benzos, take some M1 and let it fade away slowly...and enjoy

• Fun. Not as tactile as MDMA, but you feel pretty loved up. The general consensus is that it's "OK."

• i've never had mdma by itself, but any time i've had pills my brain tends to melt with pleasure. it's usually overwhelming. methylone suits me better i think. if you're used to mdma then i guess methylone would never quite cut it, unless your in the mood for chilled lovin'

• did a lot of this today, everyone needs a scale, and this is a drug everyone should try once.


Eyeballing Doses

• Don't do it; dangerous

Roll Reports

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Methylone.shtml

Rolling 2 days in a Row

• Personally I think that shows little self control. The only time I've given in to that was for a 2day long rave and I prepared myself with a long break before, after, and a lot of vitamins/5HTP.

Dose in water

According to one person, dosing methyhlone in water can hit you as fast as 5-10 minutes.

Mixing methamphet

Also - don't dose methylone when on methamphetamine. It brought on my first panic attack in my life and i thought i was dieing from it. It just hit so hard and so fast. Heart rate through the roof.

Images

Erowid, Wikipedia, Blulight

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/methylone/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylone
Pt 1 http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=535043
Pt 2 http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=299732

Acknowledgements

All the "personal experiences" were stolen from w***** member posts.

 

[MeDieViL]

Good work

 

[SIG2022]

Thank you, lots of information I was looking for. Is that picture of the capsules yours or did you get them online?

 

[the outsider]

Good guide; I've done a fair bit of methylone and generally agree with what you have to say.

I find it every bit as good as MDMA, just less stimulating and shorter-acting. The come-down is far, far easier (I in fact get afterglows, not comedowns). I also highly recommend redosing at least once; often it's not till the second redose that I get completely floored.

Smoking a joint when the redose kicks in = wonderful!

Snorting is completely worthless, by the way.

 

[tenshu2k]

has anyone experienced significant day after anxiety with methylone?

i had a racy heartbeat for a +12 hours afterwards, found it difficult to sleep. no problems with MDMA.

 

[jamaica0535]

Contributing.

Plugged dose is slightly lower at 100-200mg instead of 125-250. "Something" is felt almost instantaneously, like literally 30 seconds after the push. Over the next few minutes it hits like a truck. Duration is similiar, if maybe a little bit shorter than oral.

Discourage snorting it, it does not seem to be as effective as oral/plugging.

I have come across one person who states that they have experience with intravenous use of this compound in the past. He is still alive, but it should still be noted that shooting research chemicals is pretty dumb due to the lack of knowledge as to what they will do. I would still bet my all of my money that the average purity of research chemicals is far higher than the common street drugs people put in their veins. The subject stated a gram per day level of usage with this ROA.

Watch your usage, this drug is morish until it gets to the point of compulsively dosing if you have a lot of it...

My best experiences were shared with friends in the hot tub....

This drug has some sexual overtones, very open.... Have you ever just relaxed with your male and female friends and casually discussed sex? This one will do that. I like it leading to this, because its such an everyday part of life for many of us, but no one ever talks about it. It doesn't even stay on vanilla kinds of sex talk, but then again i think most of us are less normal than we make ourselves appear to those around us.

Great one for dancing, tactile sensations, electricity feels nice.... I got a masochistic back rub with a violet wand and it was spectacular.... Its not for everyone, but the last time i did bk, i was scratched down the chest, bitten, and shocked with enough electricity to feel some legitimate pain and i enjoyed it a lot.

 

[the outsider]

The subject stated a gram per day level of usage with this ROA.

For how long?

 

[AylaV]

First of all, this is just some constructive criticism. I know you didn't ask for it, but I felt it would help in the long run for making this into an actual BL guide for methylone =)

MDMC is NOT methylone (this confusion started on wikipedia -- I'll get into that in a bit). I'm editing that out. Please note the MDMC entry in PIHKaL, entry #110 for Ethylenedioxymethamphetamine.

Wikipedia is not an accurate source of information for citation, although Erowid is acceptable. Just for future reference. Expanding on medical terms would help make this more user friendly (bruxism being noted as jaw clenching, for example). I'm only seeing this in the wikipedia list -- maybe try combining both lists into a generic "Positive -- Neutral -- Negative" list.

Good job putting something together like this. It will definitely prove useful in the long term in assisting with a comprehensive methylone FAQ =)

 

[jamaica0535]

For how long?

I am not sure, but i will probably be able to talk to them within a week and be able to talk to them about it. It really was a SWIM sort of situation, i think its appropriate if you really are talking about the context of events centered around others.

 

[drew87]

I find this substance every bit as rewarding as MDMA, in my experience. (re)Dosing can be hard to time, but roa plays a big role in determining the effects. Snorting= fun for a minute, then turns compulsive with the quickness. Oral or rectal is the way to go. I prefer a 250 mg initial dose then redoses at 60 min intervals rectally. Two redoses usually gives the most bang for the buck. Any more than that and you tend to head into a bad place mentally, any less and you aren't getting the full effect.

 

[Lady Codone]

Nice report! I find methylone to be slightly more energetic and euphoric than MDMA, which has never even given me true eyerolls. Methylone has. And continues to. Only difference is the much shorter duration and less severe comedown, which isn't always a bad thing. Others report milder euphoria and less "magic" than MDMA, so it's definitely subjective and varies.

On another note, it seems that this drug is getting more popular lately, which concerns me. Here's hoping no one acts irresponsibly or it'll end up just like the JWHs. Always take the conservative route, even with drugs that "feel" benign.

 

[freehugs]

Is there any known cross tolerance between Methylone and MDMA? They both release seretonin so I'm guessing yes.

 

[abelink]

if I wait 2 months in between MDMA uses, should I also wait 2 months after a bk-MDMA trip to use MDMA again?

 

[drew87]

I second LadyCodone. bkMDMA has started to get a bit too popular. Popular to the point that I believe (unfortunately I'm pretty sure) someone is going to do something stupid with it and it's going to end up just like the jwh's. It doesn't seem to take a whole hell of a lot for the DEA to emergency schedule something that is probably relatively harmless when used correctly. I wouldn't suggest introducing people to bkMDMA in large numbers. Too many people are already aware of it's effects, and many people seem to insist on calling it "Legal E". That's bad news in the long run.

 

[legal_limit]

I would like to chime in and add two things

Dosing methyhlone in water can hit you as fast as 5-10 minutes.

Also - don't dose methylone when on methamphetamine. It brought on my first panic attack in my life and i thought i was dieing from it. It just hit so hard and so fast. Heart rate through the roof.

 

[Seith]

Don't eyeball your dose. The only time I will ever do this is if I have weighed the total and am splitting it into 2-3 lines. It's not unknown for vendors to send extra, buy some scales and get used to using them. It's not so bad with Methylone but getting into the habit of using scales will be good if you choose to try other substances that are active at much lower doses (10-20mg).

 

[darkdev]

thx

Thanks for the feedback, all. I've added/changed the original post based on your comments.
Good catch, AylaV! thank you.

Is that picture of the capsules yours or did you get them online?

I took the photo of the pink/white capsules, and have a similar "M1" bag.

 

[Eyes On the Roll]

i always would parachute .2 of methylone down my throat. 10 minutes after swallowing i'd be getting the come up rush. Great drug, too bad the rush doesn't last longer though

 

[ThatGuyWeAllKnow]

is this ok to mix with cannibanoids?

 

[Potrick]

OOOOhh. Thank you for this.
Yeah mixes very well with weed. I wouldn't do any synthetic thc on it though.
(That stuff only makes you paranoid)

Here is my own entry for this thread.

Qualitative Comments:
Dosage 100 - 250 mg

FIRST BATCH: Crystals. Silvery in appearance, smells citrusy, chemical odor and smell to it.

So as not to rush into a brand new chemical that I have not researched before I have chosen to take an Allergen test (after the initial 2-3mg allergen test to make sure I at least have an MDxx compound...and not some DOx compound) For safety reasons 50mg seems very reasonable. Less than a recommended recreational MDMA dose.

(with 50mg oral - liquid form) Tastes very very bitter. Almost citrusy. After about 20 minutes there is an alert, but nothing else. Euphoria is minimal, body buzz is also minimal. There is a similarity to an anti-depressant, perhaps an SSRI. I am confident I could take double this amount and still be only at a plus one maybe a plus two, but nothing that would be too strong to handle.

I have a friend who researched this particular compound at the 120mg level, and “didn’t feel like he was rolling that hard” I reminded him that the euphoric effects are not going to be as strong so if you are going to try and achieve a “roll” from it, you will probably have to take above 250mg. I read reports on Erowid of unpleasant side effects beyond this level, and myself have chosen to work my way up to my preferred dosage.

(with 150mg oral - liquid form) Taste is bitter. Alert within 20-30 minutes. Peak around 1 hour, slowly dropping off for 2 hours until the final comedown which is more evident. Empathy is evident, but the urge to love and hug is not there as much as I’ve had with MDMA. It’s more internalized. However, I found the effects to be extremely pleasant, I felt like a could make a better connection to the people around me, and a better connection to my own true emotions. The high is constant, rather than coming in waves of pleasure and excitement. There doesn’t appear to be any residual effects after 3 hours other than excess stimulation that I wasn’t sure what to do with. MJ helped calm this effect.

(with 175mg oral - capsule form) Wow. The capsule definitely improved the onset. Much more evident. Alert at 30 minutes. Coming up lasted another 30 minutes. More Nausea this time. Peak lasted a little over an hour. Pleasant. Very nice. Less focus on the empathetic effects and more interest in my surroundings. I was intrigued by the business of my surroundings. My setting was an amusement park. When riding the roller coaster, I found myself not screaming and jumping around with fear, but rather I was more intrigued by the speed and the sheer technological marvel that is a moving car suspended hundreds of feet above the air. “How are we not falling out?” The amusement park food was poor, and increased my slight nausea and made it more pronounced. Up until the point I had eaten, I was perfectly fine, perhaps a slight nausea in my stomach, but nothing anywhere near the nausea of something like say Mushrooms for example. After I digested the food, I could tell that I had either been food poisoned, or become dehydrated. Either way, I had developed a migraine at this point, and knew that I needed to hydrate, so I began drinking water. However once I have a migraine, without medication I am most likely to either vomit or pass out until my migraine goes away. Vomited later, perhaps around +4 hours, but by this point I was already back at baseline. Slept like a baby after I “purged”. After a short nap, the nausea was gone and true baseline was returned. (true baseline implies I have no headache, which does alter my mood)

(with 175 mg oral - capsule form) Second time with the capsule. Much better. The setting was a beach. Smoked some MJ before come-up (during onset) Alert at 30 minutes peak lasted a little over an hour. No nausea, no headache this time. (I waited until after I had reached baseline to eat) I stayed hydrated, but didn’t over hydrate. Pleasant. Calm. Euphoria was nice. Felt a bit spacey at the peak. Less urgency to communicate. World felt surreal. Comedown was quick. Back down after 3 maybe 4 hours.

NEW BATCH: White powder. Smells like Vanilla or maybe Aniseed. Taste is also bitter.

(with 150mg oral - capsule form) First time with the new batch. Ok. Alert at 20-30 minutes, onset for another 30 and peak around 1 hour. Smoked a few cigarettes, that improved the peak a bit. Empathy is evident, more urge to talk and communicate. “IH” has also indulged. Dropping off around 2-3 hours and returning to baseline fully at 4 hours.

(with ~200mg oral - capsule form) Went a bit higher this time. Peak is a bit stronger, but the onset feels the same. Perhaps a slight chill during the onset. Back down to baseline at 4 hours. Felt somewhat dis-engaged from my surroundings. Mostly internalized. Interesting to say the least. Jaw tension is increased. Perspiration is increased.

(with 200mg oral - capsule form*) Onset was about 20 minutes. An alert developed and then grew. My body was tingling, and I felt slightly cold during the coming up period. I felt like I had a decent understanding this time of where the peak was taking me, and used this time to have close conversations with people around me. Felt like I was able to make connections more easily than normal. The peak lasted slightly longer than with 150mg. I had some excess stimulation afterwords but that subsided at perhaps +5 hours. Jaw tension was not nearly as bad as I’ve had before, but more than one would notice with a lower dose. Afterglow was pleasant.

*Peak effects on this particular dose were not as interesting as I’ve had with other doses. I’m going to assume this is due to a tolerance build. I have dosed 175mg twice during a three day period with a one day break and noticed the same effect, however during this particular experiment, dosing 200mg two days in a row I did notice a decrease in effects on the second day. I would assume that to ensure that you have a glowing experience from Methylone you should keep the same sort of schedule that you would have with MDMA, ie taking a month or two break to get the full cognitive effects. The serotonin levels will not drop as substantially as MDMA, but it would still be wise to take a break to some degree to notice the full effects again.

Comments:
bk-MDMA is not “MDMA lite” if you approach the RC with the intention of achieving an “E” push you aren’t going to get it. When compared to MDMA, Methylone is slightly less euphoric and stimulating. However, that being said, the effects are very pleasant. Methylone has its own special quality to it. In my opinion, people should treat this not as an MDMA substitute. The effects are more like an anti-depressant. I feel like this would be very helpful in therapy as the risk of “going to far” is decreased (you are less likely to feel overwhelmed during the Coming up period) The peak doesn’t feel like it has hit you with a truck, the smooth coming up and coming down stage allows you to “ease” your way into the Methylone experience. In comparison, the euphoria is less than that of MDMA (again due to the 1/3 serotonin affinity) but the “body high” feels quite similar. The duration of the peak effect is shorter. The coming up and coming down stage is interesting. Often after the first initial alert, the effects do not feel to build substantially higher after that, rather it seems more that the effects seem to remain at or slightly higher than that initial Alert, and drop off after an hour or two. Coming down probably takes about 30 or so minutes which would be slightly longer than MDMA. Peak effects generally begin fairly quickly after onset, but not at a pace that would overwhelm you like MDMA. I know someone used the comparison of the Coming up Coming down period to Ritalin or Adderall, which is a good comparison when describing how the effect builds. Not how the effect feels. In a nutshell, when comparing chemicals with such similar structures you have some similar effects, but the truth of the matter is that even by changing a single molecule you can also create substantial differences in effects. So, don’t compare bk-MDMA to MDMA, but rather treat it as its own unique chemical.

Re-dosing: Don’t fall into this habit. I’ve managed to keep myself at one dose per session (spaced at least 5 days apart) two weeks is much better. I’ve been reading about the compulsive re-dosing. I don’t feel the need to, but I could see how it could become habit forming. More so than MDMA (which is also habit forming) because it uses less serotonin people seeking a “roll” from Methylone will not achieve it. So treat it more like a therapy session, or maybe a euphoric stimulant. No urge to dance or move around or hug and kiss. The feeling is more internalized. Above 200mg the cognitive effects are not increased, but the side-effects are. Bruxism, Muscle Tension and Perspiration are noted as being stronger above 200mg.