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Dabbling with heroin

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Before this year, I only smoked cannabis a few times. From New Year's Eve until today, I've messed around with salvia, hash, ecstasy, speed and cocaine. I expected too much from coke - it wasn't as great as I had imagined, and ultimately I think it strongly depends on how much you take, how you're feeling on the day, and who you're with.

So I'm still chasing that ultimate high, and while I always told myself that I'd draw the line with needles, lately I've been tempted with the thought of shooting up some heroin. I began reading a great deal about it in the past few months, starting with this article.

In short, the author argues that heroin is not dangerous. Addictive, but not dangerous. That the bad things about heroin are functions of its illegality rather than its inherent nature. Death, disease, crime, overdose, inability to hold down a job are all caused by the fact that heroin is expensive, adulterated and addictive.

I also believe that heroin is less socially damaging than alcohol, and that people have lived happy, normal lives with jobs, marriages and kids whilst being addicted to heroin. I'm not a very addictive person. Cigarettes don't do it for me, and I can easily go a long period of time without alcohol.

What piqued my interest in the drug was reading very eloquently written short stories by a few smackheads. I found them a nice social insight into post-Soviet Russia and how opiates shaped the lives of Russia's "lost generation". All of them died thanks to an overdose.

But it's not the self-destruction that appeals to me, and I'm not looking for an escapism. To be frank, I've been quite fortunate in life: I enjoyed an upper middle class upbringing, I was recently accepted into a very good university, I found the person I want to spend the rest of my life with, etc etc.

So I'll spare you some sob story about existential angst, reconciling myself to nihilism and turning to drugs because the world is against me, because that's bullshit. I'll avoid going into a stream of consciousness bout of writing and stop here, but basically, I'm curious to hear your thoughts, experiences and advice on trying heroin for the first time, and whether it's all worth it.
 
I'm going to move this to Drug Culture. We had some similar threads but I'll keep yours open as it is well written. I've been struggling with heroin and friends for almost seven years, would I say it's been worth it? Who knows. Probably not, but then I wouldn't be the man I am today (though I guess depending on your take on me, It can't be said whether that's a good or a bad thing.)

I highly advice you to NOT use heroin, and NOT to be swept into its grasped by the romantic portrayals that you read in books or see in movies/TV. Shit gets very real, and for many, VERY out of hand.

If your going to insist on going through with it, read our Beginners Guide to Heroin.
 
Ben using shooting heroin every Friday,Saturday, and sometimes Sunday for the past year now. Im about to take a month break because i have ben just going on "zombie mode" all through the week and as soon as Friday hits I score a gram and stay high all weekend. I honastley hate it. I REALY REaLY REAlllllYYYY wish I would of never tried opiates to begin with. Life just seems "empty" without them. Im sure Ill get over it in a week or so though.

The question you have to ask yourself is, is that 4-5 hour high worth throwing your life away ? If things are going as good as you say they are for you now I BEG you not to play with opiates. Its literally like playing with fire.

People say opiate addiction has nothing to do with will power but IMHO that is 100% false. It has everything to do with will power. If you TRUELY think you can dabble with opiates (the term is called "chipping") then go for it. You could be like me and successfully chip for years and years and years, or you could look back on this thread a year or two from now with an empty bank account,all your belongings at the pawn shop around the corner,droped out of school,lost your job, no friends, family hates you, you hate yourself for the things youve done to score, you got AIDS/hep from sharing needels, or worst of all you could be dead.

If you do choose to dance with the devil DO NOT start with IV heroin. start with some codiene/hydrocodoe/percocet. No need to destroy that beautiful opiate naive brain with shitty heroin. start with the weaker opiates and work your way up.

edit; this was my 420th post... lol
 
If you do choose to dance with the devil DO NOT start with IV heroin. start with some codiene/hydrocodoe/percocet. No need to destroy that beautiful opiate naive brain with shitty heroin. start with the weaker opiates and work your way up

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If you've never done opiates and have no tolerance at all, a 5 or 10mg perc should fuck you up pretty good

But yeah I totally advise not to go down that road at all unless of course you can be one of the few who can successfully chip and avoid dependency and wd. But unfortunately most of the time that's not the case
 
I also believe that heroin is less socially damaging than alcohol, and that people have lived happy, normal lives with jobs, marriages and kids whilst being addicted to heroin.
You're right, but if they're addicted they probably aren't happy with their habit. If they're chipping it's different... but chipping often leads to dependence eventually.

I'm not a very addictive person. Cigarettes don't do it for me, and I can easily go a long period of time without alcohol.

This doesn't mean that heroin won't hook you. As you said, you're looking for that quintessential or ultimate high.

But it's not the self-destruction that appeals to me, and I'm not looking for an escapism. To be frank, I've been quite fortunate in life: I enjoyed an upper middle class upbringing, I was recently accepted into a very good university, I found the person I want to spend the rest of my life with, etc etc.

That stuff is all great, and all stuff you don't want to risk ruining with opiates.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts, experiences and advice on trying heroin for the first time, and whether it's all worth it.

If you wanna do it, you'll do it, just take heed when posters on this forum tell you how easy it is to get sucked in. I'm thankful that I live in the boonies and have no money to my name, because if I had the resources, I'd probably be using dope a lot more frequently myself. I don't think most regular users of heroin or other potent opes are proud of their habit. The ones who flaunt are typically in the honeymoon phase or chip, and it's easy to say "I'll just chip" until a certain point...

If you think you can handle it, go for it. In the end it's your decision.
 
Assume you haven't tried heroin by any other ROA as you don't allude to it.

Prepare for it to become an obsession for a few weeks after trying it. I tried chasing it once and had the most amazing euphoric experience though I was a bit sick with it for a while but that didn't spoil the experience for me unduly. I new all about the physical addiction from regular use but was completely unprepared for the way that it completely took over my every conscious and unconscious thought that passed through my head for the next two weeks.

I'd spend all day thinking of nothing else, I'd fall asleep obsessing about it, I'd have a restless nights sleep dreaming about nothing else and I'd wake up thinking about it. Two weeks that lasted and I still think of it often despite the year and a half gap since my experience. You may get a bit sick if you try it but if you get half the joy from it that I got then be prepared to live temptation like you haven't known before.

I drew the line at needles until a short while ago but spending time around an IV heroin user a while back completely changed my attitude to the issue but anyone who's ever IV'ed heroin will advise against it as it rarely has a happy ending. That said I will try it one day but I don't see it happening anytime soon. I think I'd fall in love with it with great rapidity so will be steering clear for the foreseeable future as although my life is not always a healthy one I do at least have some sort of life.

I would love to experience that high again but the knowledge that it will have me obsessing over it keeps me away from it though I expect I'll come across it again one day but maybe next time it won't be a one off. What if I have access to a supply next time? Maybe I'll just keep on using and I don't like the potential scenario that may be inevitable.

So dabble if you dare but you could chose to give it a miss lest it ends in tears. That's my two penneth anyway. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. For me it had all the euphoria of a manic rave without having to dance like a madman for hours to get me to that point but rather than producing an outward looking positive vibe it felt very insular and made me feel detached from the world around me. Heroin is a very selfish drug. My addict friend seems to focus pretty much all of her attention on herself. It's all about her. Here wants, her likes, her needs with little room for anyone else's position though I couldn't say that this is typical behavior. It might just be her.

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I also advise you to stay clear of Heroin unless you are in severe severe physical pain and can't get anything else for the pain. I was a chipper for a year and let me tell ya it isn't easy, at first it was easy but then Heroin started growing on me more at a quicker rate so i finally decided it was time to put the shit down. I wasn't depressed when i started using i wasn't using it as a escape, i was just like you wanting to try a different high to pass time. Also ime there isn't a "ultimate high", besides heroin is pretty fucking boring to be honest its just a strong euphoric opiate. I didn't even like the H high compared to others but it still started sucking me in, imo it doesn't matter if you really like it or not or if your "stronger" than the drug it will/can draw you in. Heroin is dangerous don't let anyone tell you its not, any drug or anything you put into your body can be dangerous.

Its not worth it imo if i could go back i wouldn't have started doing it, there's always that side in me at times where im like hmmm some heroin sounds kind of nice right now. i wouldn't mess around with opiates unless its a very occasional thing. even nowadays i tend to try to stay away from opiates as much as possible just asking for problems if i try to get high on them. Plus i also started to gain a opiate tolerance i started thinking if im ever in severe pain later on in life i don't want to have to consume such ridiculous doses just for pain management and barely feel the meds. Like others said if you do want to try some opiates start off with some codeine or Hydrocodones.

Have you looked into psychedelics at all or dissociatives?
 
Do not start off with a needle bro, donttt.

Sniffing or smoking will do u good. When u IV, u get an addiction/fascination to the process off shooting up on top of the heroin dependence(if u form one) which makes it that much harder to stop.
 
Just come to the dark side and read some of OUR posts about how quickly the honeymoon turns into a horroble "i give, you take" relationship with heroin. She will take everything from you. I come from middle class family, had a decent job, full ride to uni, engaged to an incredible girl. What do i have now? My family is broken up, lost my job, owe huge debts for not fulfilling my scholarship reqs, and i am no longer with that girl (single now). Pretty much if you wanna shoot dope, lets just trade places and let me have everything youve got, because i know ill take care of all that, and you can have my life as a broke ass single felon.
 
If you TRUELY think you can dabble with opiates (the term is called "chipping") then go for it.

I think that almost everyone thinks that they can 'chip.'

You could be like me and successfully chip for years and years and years, or you could look back on this thread a year or two from now with an empty bank account,all your belongings at the pawn shop around the corner,droped out of school,lost your job, no friends, family hates you, you hate yourself for the things youve done to score, you got AIDS/hep from sharing needels, or worst of all you could be dead.

Some people can successfully chip for years and then something changes and they find themselves as you describe in the second half of your post. The end result is the same, but it just takes some people longer to get their than others.

There are some people that do make it all of their drug using career using occasionally, but I haven't met any of them. Then there are others that got really deep into addiction and have managed to find some sort of middle ground where they use once or twice a week, but if you ask them I'm sure they will tell you they wish they weren't in that position, even though it's better than daily use.
 
In short, the author argues that heroin is not dangerous. Addictive, but not dangerous. That the bad things about heroin are functions of its illegality rather than its inherent nature. Death, disease, crime, overdose, inability to hold down a job are all caused by the fact that heroin is expensive, adulterated and addictive.

That might in fact be true about how dangerous heroin is per se, and then also about what makes the actual addiction get so bad. The problem is that if it's hard to successfully be a "chipper" and use your will-power to stick to the rules you've set for yourself, setting up a chipper lifestyle that limits your exposure to the "bad stuff that surrounds heroin in society" is nearly impossible. You're just not going to find some well-mannered suburban heroin dealer who delivers you consistent product at a fair price for a long period of time. It just ain't gunna happen. The thing is that almost everyone in the heroin trade is either an addict or someone who benefits from other people being addicted. Responsible and respectable chippers are so rare that it's impossible to find little hubs of them within the heroin trade. If you're going to keep using, even sparingly, you're going to have to interact with shady people, stuff won't always go as planned, you will eventually see some messed up shit. And not to mention that the police have a much tigher watch on the heroin trade than they do on weed or even club drugs.

What always got to me when I'd try to chip was that unlike hardcore addiction, when you chip you're still connected with the real world and feel like you still have a normal brain and set of emotions. When you're physically addicted you basically get this "fuck it" attitude, but when you're chipping you are much more emotionally affected by having to deal with the shady underworld and manage your stress and whatnot. And that stuff has an influence over you that you cannot really prepare yourself for until it starts happening. And the evil thing is that more heroin tends to make it all seem more "ok."
 
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What the author said its true. The dark side is heroin is the fact that it is illegal and extremely expensive. If one gets addicted to it, it is nearly impossible to support the habit. The drug itself is safe and not very harmful but the evil bastards controlling things in this world can't have people remedying their physical and mental pain so they make it impossible for them to obtain this substance sustainably.
 
Ben using shooting heroin every Friday,Saturday, and sometimes Sunday for the past year now. Im about to take a month break because i have ben just going on "zombie mode" all through the week and as soon as Friday hits I score a gram and stay high all weekend. I honastley hate it. I REALY REaLY REAlllllYYYY wish I would of never tried opiates to begin with. Life just seems "empty" without them. Im sure Ill get over it in a week or so though.

You're not physically addicted just psychologically addicted. Order some iboga capsules and I can guarantee with 100% certaintly, it will cure you of your psychological dependance on heroin. I used it once for about 2 months straight. At first it was every 2 days and I noticed that the day I was off it, all I could think about was waiting for the day to be over and for the next day to begin. Iboga completely solved that problem for me. After iboga, I had no interest in doing heroin at all. You don't need to take a full on psychedelic dose, microdosing works fine.

You're right, but if they're addicted they probably aren't happy with their habit. If they're chipping it's different... but chipping often leads to dependence eventually.
Wrong. If heroin was cheap and legal, I'd be happily addicted to it right now and all would be well. Heroin isn't the devil as someone above described it, the devil are the evil organisations that keep it illegal and expensive so that they can profit from peoples misery. People need to see things for what they are. If heroin makes you lazy and unproductive, then don't do it. Some of us on the other hand, it makes productive so being on it 24/7 would be a good thing for everyone (with some exceptions). The only reason I quit heroin and never did opiates again is because they are illegal and thus, I can't obtain them safely or affordably. These drug laws trap people so that they have no escape from their addiction. If it weren't for these parasitic organisations keeping drugs illegal, we could affordably obtain ibogaine too and cure ourselves of addiction to opiates if they got out of hand. We could obtain proglumide and various other anti-addictive substances.
 
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^ If everyone had access to ibogaine than the government couldnt profit off the methadone and suboxone they make billions of dollars on each year.

In fact there wouldn't be ANY drug addicts. There wouldn't even be regular cigarette smokers. Which again means the government losses billions/trillions of dollars a year.
 
Wrong. If heroin was cheap and legal, I'd be happily addicted to it right now and all would be well. Heroin isn't the devil as someone above described it, the devil are the evil organisations that keep it illegal and expensive so that they can profit from peoples misery. People need to see things for what they are. If heroin makes you lazy and unproductive, then don't do it. Some of us on the other hand, it makes productive so being on it 24/7 would be a good thing for everyone (with some exceptions). The only reason I quit heroin and never did opiates again is because they are illegal and thus, I can't obtain them safely or affordably. These drug laws trap people so that they have no escape from their addiction. If it weren't for these parasitic organisations keeping drugs illegal, we could affordably obtain ibogaine too and cure ourselves of addiction to opiates if they got out of hand. We could obtain proglumide and various other anti-addictive substances.

There is a thing called tolerance. You stop getting high, and begin to need your dose to feel well. You can't just keep IVing or sniffing grams of heroin every day. Two things happen: You OD or you encounter very painful withdrawal. It's apparent you've never gotten to that point, as you claim that being addicted to heroin is sustainable. But I guess if your aim is to lie to the OP and glamorize the use, that's your right.
 
haven't read all the posts in this thread, but whatever limits you set yourself on use (once a week, no needles, or whatever) can rapidly become compromised by taking opiates. i never thought i would be doing heroin, never thought i'd be injecting it, and that's exactly what happened.
 
I agree with what people are saying. Here's my story in short:

I came from a middle class family, went to a great state university for chemistry. Due to money issues I had to leave the school before I graduated, I still plan on going back but it's been much longer then I planned.

When I stopped going to school I met my love we both smoked weed I got her into rolling it was great. Then one day we thought to get some oxys. I had a job and stuff things were going well. Oxys became more oxys became heroin became IV heroin.

Now I've been out of school for 2 years still have a job but no money and owe a lot of money to Sally Mae, capital one, my old bank, hospital, and taxes.

I never thought I'd be a junkie I never thought I'd owe 1000s to people I don't see paying back. I'm still dating my girl but so many problems over money and d. My family knows and dislikes me for it, I've almost gotten fired for it and it's only been 1.5 years since heroin and 2 since oxys.

Please don't go down this path. It will take over your live. I never thought this would be my life, I was meant for more and someday will get there but heroin has set that back by a decade at least.
 
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