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Hey guys, I am looking for some help as far as what I should do for a future cycle.

The goal of my cycle is primarily cutting fat while at least maintaining all of the muscle and strength that I have.
I weigh about 185 right now, with pretty low bf (I would guess I'm around 9 or 10%, you can kind of see my abs without flexing). I want to be completely shredded.

I am strongly considering Anavar for a few reasons. It seems to be safer than most steroids, and being able to take it orally is a huge plus for me. I honestly don't want to build that much more size in general, and I am able to keep my size steadily increasing naturally anyways.

Do you guys think Anavar would be a good choice for me? What dose should I run it at, and should I split it into twice a day? How should I eat on Anavar to meet my goals, and what PCT or AI if any should I use?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
An Anavar only cycle is one of the shittiest cycles you can do unless you are a female. It's expensive and you can't run it for 10+ weeks at a time because it's a 17a oral and therefore liver toxic. If you don't want to build much size, then you don't need steroids. Run an ECA (Ephedra, caffeine, aspirin) stack, some Clenbuterol, or go on a cyclical ketogenic diet for set length of time. You should try to determine what your exact body fat is.

Testosterone should always be used for your first cycle. If you use it on a cutting/re-comp diet you will gain some muscle but lose a lot of fat and gain some serious definition. You have to realize, if you want to become shredded, you are going to need to inject. You can however, run Testosterone with Anavar during the last few weeks of the cycle to harden up gains and accelerate fat loss. You always need to run any orals with Testosterone; It will ensure you have a sex drive, the ability to get and maintain an erection, it will prevent fatigue from orals, that confidence and feeling of well being that you can only get from Testosterone, and it will make for better gains and fat loss.

You should know that your aren't going to become shredded after one cycle. It might take a few. Realize that steroids and compounds are not going to get you there, they are tools. It is dependent on diet and routine. Both need to be perfect before you go on gear and you need to have a foundation. In other words, you have to of been working out for at least 2 years before running a cycle or better yet, being at you natural maximum.

I have a starter cycle outlined here. This cycle will net you definite results.
 
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Thank you for the reply! I can't believe how much awful misinformation I have been getting!

From what you said, I think I am going to stay away from steroids. Of the ECA, Clen, and keto diet, which provides the best results iyo? I have ran keto diets before and gotten pretty fucking lean, but not quite shredded. I want that super dry look.

could I run all three at the same time?
 
I just read the rules, and I thought I should add the requested info.


• Age: 18
• Weight/height: 185/6ft
• AAS experience (have you used AAS before, what doses, results?): None
• Goals (what are you trying to achieve with AAS?): Extremely low bodfyat
• BF%: Not sure, you can definitely see all of my abs when I flex, not sure how much help that is. I would guess 9%.
• Diet: Working on sticking with a ketotonic diet for more than a week. Over 200g protein a day.
• Work out schedule: Heavy lfiting 4-5 times a week an hour each time, and fairly intense cardio once or twice a week.
 
What do you think about this 8 Week cycle for beginners. Is it safe? This 8 week cycle uses Deca Durabolin (100mg/ml) tapering up and then down throughout the 8 weeks.
CYCLE SHEDULE
 
sexyalexy said:
What do you think about this 8 Week cycle for beginners. Is it safe? This 8 week cycle uses Deca Durabolin (100mg/ml) tapering up and then down throughout the 8 weeks.
CYCLE SHEDULE
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No. Deca only is not advisable. You will be fatigued and lose the ability to have an erection. Tapering up and tapering down with any steroid is pointless and only leads to increased side effects from unstable hormone levels. Not only that Deca is a long acting ester, it going to take a long time for it to take effect and for plasma levels to stabilize. A 10 week cycle would be pointless. Not only that, HCG only for PCT is horrible. You also have an oral in their with no liver support. All that cycle will do is shut you down hard, leave you bloated, and whatever gains you make you will lose most.

Here is a safe cycle that will yield results. Click here.

In the future, please start you own thread.
 
iThink said:
I just read the rules, and I thought I should add the requested info.


• Age: 18
• Weight/height: 185/6ft
• AAS experience (have you used AAS before, what doses, results?): None
• Goals (what are you trying to achieve with AAS?): Extremely low bodfyat
• BF%: Not sure, you can definitely see all of my abs when I flex, not sure how much help that is. I would guess 9%.
• Diet: Working on sticking with a ketotonic diet for more than a week. Over 200g protein a day.
• Work out schedule: Heavy lfiting 4-5 times a week an hour each time, and fairly intense cardio once or twice a week.
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Whoa. Don't even think about using steroids until you are at least 21. You will thank me later.

iThink said:
Thank you for the reply! I can't believe how much awful misinformation I have been getting!

From what you said, I think I am going to stay away from steroids. Of the ECA, Clen, and keto diet, which provides the best results iyo? I have ran keto diets before and gotten pretty fucking lean, but not quite shredded. I want that super dry look.

could I run all three at the same time?
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Run keto again. Throw in some Clenbuterol, do a cycle of it. You will get lean as fuck. It's not a steroid, it's a stimulant and thermogenic. After your cycle use a diuretic and gaze at the dryness and definition. If you want to get leaner, and drier do another cycle, see where you are with a diuretic. And so on and so on.

Once you get to a level where you are happy, just maintain it by eating right and exercising. Whenever you want to look dry at a beach, party, festival, or wherever you might have your shirt off, use a diuretic.

Be very careful with diuretics though, abuse can kill you. Some are very powerful.
 
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Thanks for the info.

Do you have any good info on how to run the Clen, such as dose and frequency of ingestion? Also, I have heard albuterol would work. Would albuterol inhalers be at all effective?

What would you suggest as a diuretic?

Sorry for the endless questions, but you seem much more knowledgeable than most sources I've seen.
 
A good beginner Clenbuterol Cycle:

Week
1 40mcg/day
2 40mcg/day
3 -off-
4 -off-
5 60mcg/day
6 60mcg/day
7 -off-
8 -off-
9 60mcg/day
10 60mcg/day

Albuterol is shit. It's rather weak, the half life is too short if I recall correctly, and using an inhaler would not be effective at all.

I would stay away from Loop Diuretics such as Lasix, you can damage yourself or end up in the hospital so easy.

Spironolactone is a good diuretic because it is potassium sparring so you don't have to worry about depleting your potassium to levels that will cause complications. Make sure you research this compound thoroughly and remember that diuretics should be used rarely and moderately.

If pharmaceutical diuretics turn you off you could try natural diuretics such as dandelion root or cranberry extract.
 
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iThink said:
and I am able to keep my size steadily increasing naturally anyways.
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At 185lbs, I would seriously hope so.

Move along folks. Just another Brad Pitt "I don't want to look like those disgusting bodybuilder" types.

You do not need steroids, nor do you need fat burners and stimulants at the ripe age of 18. Guido, you're suggesting diuretics to a kid? Really?
 
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Voxide said:
Guido, you're suggesting diuretics to a kid? Really?
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Fuck. I forgot he was 18. Curse you Methadone.

Yeah, if your 18 you don't need anything in terms of fat burners, steroids and stimulants. Your body is technically still growing so you don't want to fuck with anything. Your Testosterone level is naturally high at that age anyways and if you eat right, lift, and stay active you can easily look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club.
 
You know, there should be a way to keep people who are under 20 out of this forum.
 
After everything you told me, I decided to just stick with all natural. I didn't think a lean 185 was that small though =/. It seems that few people my age are able to reach that size, but then again, that may just be due to shitty training/diet.
 
Voxide said:
At 185lbs, I would seriously hope so.

Move along folks. Just another Brad Pitt "I don't want to look like those disgusting bodybuilder" types.

You do not need steroids, nor do you need fat burners and stimulants at the ripe age of 18. Guido, you're suggesting diuretics to a kid? Really?
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I don't really understand why I caused you to react like that. Is it really so abhorrent that I'm pretty happy with my amount of muscle mass and came here for some info on steroids that I had heard would help me reach my goals?
 
iThink said:
After everything you told me, I decided to just stick with all natural. I didn't think a lean 185 was that small though =/. It seems that few people my age are able to reach that size, but then again, that may just be due to shitty training/diet.
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Train hard from now until you are 21. Perfect your lifts, routines, and diet. Then when you are the right age, look into steroids if you still are interested.
 
Thanks for the tip on diuretics. Last night I stayed up all night on amphetamine, and didn't eat anything for about 12 hours, coupled with lots of dancing. This morning I took a little more amphetamine to suppress appetite and drank 2 cups of black coffee spaced about an hour apart. I definitely noticed a considerable improvement in cut or dryness. I think i will just stick to coffee as a diuretic for my purposes.
 
iThink said:
Thanks for the tip on diuretics. Last night I stayed up all night on amphetamine, and didn't eat anything for about 12 hours, coupled with lots of dancing. This morning I took a little more amphetamine to suppress appetite and drank 2 cups of black coffee spaced about an hour apart. I definitely noticed a considerable improvement in cut or dryness. I think i will just stick to coffee as a diuretic for my purposes.
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This is why you aren't ready for steroids.
 
iThink said:
What did I do wrong?
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amphetamines.

recreational drugs (especially alcohol) should not be used in conjunction with steroids.

The things I've learned from this Forum regarding steroid use is:

  1. Lift consistently for three years before even considering steroids
  2. Eat healthy
  3. Eat big
  4. Sleep big
  5. No drugs
  6. No alcohol
  7. Wait until your body has fully developed (naturally) before taking the next step
  8. Research. Research. Research. (this shit isn't to be taken lightly)
Don't stop asking questions, iThink. That's the only way we can learn without personally experiencing something. Of course, read up on things first and, if you get stumped, ask the folks here 'hey, what's up with this...'
 
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