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Opioids Cuts that increase the rush

lozgod

lozgod

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Just curiousity mostly. Does heroin cut with caffeine have any effect on the rush? Would it increase the rush or kill the rush some beings they both work with dopamine. I know people add caffeine for the sake of smoking but is there any advantage to banging it with addded caffeine. If not caffeine is there any non opiate common cut that increases the rush?
 
They both don't work with dopamine. They interact with dopamine in way's. Opioid's act through the mu-opioid receptor's. I am sure that low dose caffine will increase the rush as you will feel the caffine rush also. Same with benadryl and other antihistamine's. Opioid's provide a different rush though so you are not increasing the opioid's rush it just add's to the effect's. Caffine is sometime's cut with H to make it smokable.
 
dimethyltrypt said:
Stay away from cuts, if possible, at all costs.
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Of course but it comes with the territory. I would never intentionally cut my own dope but I was wondering is there any cuts out there that not only increase quantity but increase quality. Again non opioid cuts. The only real reason to cut one's own dope would be to make #4 smokable.
 
I hear you on that. Personally I potentiate my body with substances before ingesting said substance, I don't make one mix that includes the potentiators and the substance.
 
after reading this im curious is it safe to smoke caffine? i mean im sure its bad the way all smoke is but does it provide a caffine like rush?
 
when I was in st. louis the popular cut was Dormin, which is Diphenhydramine. you can also use name brand benadryl (the capsules, not the pills), so Dormin brand or Benadryl. the generic benadryl gels up for whatever reason.

but even when shot alone, Diph gives a decent feeling rush, and if done with opiates adds to the rush, and nod, and helps cut down on itch (you're gonna itch anywayz, which I still like).

I also notice that phenergen (or promethazine, which is actually what I got in pill form) is an antihistamine and I wouldn't say it has a rush, but you immediately wanna lay down and sleep. but I think that one is a little heavy of a cut unless if only used in small amounts, the pills I got are 25mg, and they make me sleep.

but yeah, I'm stoned and morphed and rambling so anyayz Diphenhydramine is a decent cut thats not any worse than shooting the dope.
 
I dont want this to end up merged with the Potentiator thread. Just for the record.. I am talking about dealers using certain cuts for the sake of increasing the rush or even post rush euphoria. I've had IV benedryl. Knocks you out like a mother fucker. Might be overkilll and a high waster if you fall asleep. It would have to be enough to nod but not knock you out.
 
lozgod said:
If not caffeine is there any non opiate common cut that increases the rush?
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some antihistamines such as diphenhydramine can "increase" the rush depending on your definition of rush. quinine is another i think?

i can't think of m/any of the top of my head (i'm stoned and have just woken from a near 2 day slumber so i'm not thinking real straight) but reminds me of the baltimore dope scene with raw and scramble caps. raw being the pure dope and scramble being the cut up dope.

some people prefer the scramble (for whatever reason, "extra kick" rush mainly i'm assuming) while others obviously enjoy the pure product.

the purer the product the better it is going to be health wise.

i'm certain there is a thread or two around the place with some info regarding common cuts added to heroin posted by Tchort or someone else in DC or here. i can't help you with the search terms sorry but check out threads started by Tchort and you might be in luck.
 
leftwing said:
some antihistamines such as diphenhydramine can "increase" the rush depending on your definition of rush. quinine is another i think?

i can't think of m/any of the top of my head (i'm stoned and have just woken from a near 2 day slumber so i'm not thinking real straight) but reminds me of the baltimore dope scene with raw and scramble caps. raw being the pure dope and scramble being the cut up dope.

some people prefer the scramble (for whatever reason, "extra kick" rush mainly i'm assuming) while others obviously enjoy the pure product.

the purer the product the better it is going to be health wise.

i'm certain there is a thread or two around the place with some info regarding common cuts added to heroin posted by Tchort or someone else in DC or here. i can't help you with the search terms sorry but check out threads started by Tchort and you might be in luck.
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The BMore scramble thing is what got this whole thing started. I get BMore raw by the gram but people are telling me the scramble has a bigger rush to it. I asked my supllier what is in the scramble and he said bonita which is beautiful in spanish so that made no sense. After more research I found out they call mannitol bonita and mannitol doesn't provide a rush a far as a I know.
 
dealers definately do add cuts that affect the rush, I'm pretty sure I read another thread like this on here somewhere. I bet some dope is cut with other opioids like hydromorphone or oxymorphone as those have very intense rush's. I've had weird experiences regarding heroin rush's. Sometimes I'll get almost no rush, just an instant high (like OC) followed by great euphoria, and sometimes I'll get shit that knocks me on my ass immediately, but the overall high is not really better.
 
^there was an outbreak a few years back with heroin being cut with fentanyl, from mexican labs i think, hich caused a lot of OD's - again threads can be found on this in DiTM. i've never heard of people cutting with HM or OM as i'm under the impression they're more expensive to buy than a hit of heroin pending where you live, basic economics.

lozgood, your guess is as good as mine and anyone elses as to what the cut is. i do believe mannitol is a more regular cut too, not sure about whether it provides a rush or not. a dealer will tell you anything to get a sale remember. the bigger rush is from a cut which some obviously enjoy and others don't. i know i'd rather be putting the more pure product up my arm and not some unknown cut just because it causes a more intense rush.

i know fuck all of the american dope scene being an australian and having most my opiates prescribed to me. i've never used heroin.
 
I think the OP was wondering if there is a similar circumstance with heroin as there is with cocaine and levamisole.

Levamisole is bad for your health though. Just saying.
 
Quinine is said to increase the rush.

Like LW said, look into tchort's post/thread about it. I'm pretty sure it's in DC, but it might be here as well.
 
wait a second, i can shoot benadryl and get a decent rush?

just did a quick google search: i guess it's possible. i normally take about 75mg of benadryl before i dose my oxy, but tomorrow i might try mixing benadryl and oxy in the same shot? i read on another website that it can make the rush come on faster? oxy doesn't have much of a rush anyway, so would shooting benadryl and oxy in the same shot be decent?

thoughts?
 
Since CNS stimulants seem to enhance the effect of an opioid, I'd go with yes. I could be wrong; but they do put caffeine in codeine tablets here in Canada. I asked my pharmacist the purpose and she said to increase the action of codeine.
Many people die from "speedballs" and the said reason is because when you mix both your normal dose of heroin and cocaine--or strong opioid/stimulant mix--the resulting shot will be stronger than either alone. So if this is so with cocaine potentiating the heroin, then I'd like to believe caffeine would work in a similar fashion. So, I would say that caffeine when used as a cut could add to the opioid rush.
Please someone correct me if they have more knowledge on the topic as I'd be curious to find out the answer.

*I definitely didn't mean to sound like I was advocating speedball use. However I have already stepped in those waters with hydromorphone/cocaine instead of heroin. It almost feels like a different high in itself; while mixing with something like diphenhydramine sort of adds to the opiate buzz, but they still feel distinct. Sorry if that sounded differently than I intended it to.
 
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Korn3x said:
wait a second, i can shoot benadryl and get a decent rush?

just did a quick google search: i guess it's possible. i normally take about 75mg of benadryl before i dose my oxy, but tomorrow i might try mixing benadryl and oxy in the same shot? i read on another website that it can make the rush come on faster? oxy doesn't have much of a rush anyway, so would shooting benadryl and oxy in the same shot be decent?

thoughts?
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I have personally have mixed hydromorphone and diphenhydramine in the same shot and I found it just added a heavier feel to the buzz, not actually a rush from it, just a quick hit. It felt kinda like the substance on its own, only with a feeling of an opioid in the mix.
I would imagine oxycodone would be similar, but I'd think you would notice the benedryl more, as you said oxycodone doesn't have a rush as intense as hydro/oxymorphone. However I haven't tried the mix to tell you, that's just speculation.
 
i wouldnt recommend it in my life, for you to use speedballs.. but if you absolutely had to.. they're called that for a reason.. same reason that john belushi isnt with us anymore..
I dont think they're really is any type of potentiator for the alleged IV opiate rush that can be considered safe.. diphen would easily be a close second to yayo though, in my eyes anyway..
 
i think the safest thing to do is cut it with something that mixes evenly and has no pharmacological action.
 
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