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Cut off from oxy prescriptions?

SimplyTrinity

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Been on and off oxy 5/325 and 10/325 for last 15+ years since I’ve been dealing with bad disc herniations basically yearly. Never had a problem getting them from doctors (who obviously changed over the years). In fact, doctors would almost push them way back when.

In the last 2 years in particular, it seems like I’ve basically been cut off. Had to suffer through some of the worst vomit-inducing pain I’ve ever experienced, and was assured muscle relaxants and NSAIDs would do the trick (they didn’t).

Now I’m stating to wonder - am I a victim of the general demonization of opioids happening across healthcare, or did I get red flagged somewhere along the way, and now no doctor will give me them.

A few data points:
- I once filled a 60 pill prescription at 2 pharmacies when the doctor screwed up and sent it to the wrong one. In one trip, I went to pharmacy A, filled it, then to pharmacy B, filled it. Did this only once and never again.
- Recently I have been fairly direct with a doctor asking (in a non junkie way, in my view) why he wouldn’t prescribe me oxy because it has helped me with acute pain so much in the past. He gave me the usual song and dance about it not being the right solution for me and we moved on.
- in the last 2 years, I’ve newly gotten onto several new drugs (legally with prescriptions): fluoxetine, Wellbutrin, Xanax, adderall. The amount of Xanax I fill is very low as I use it very infrequently. I’m off fluoxetine and Wellbutrin entirely for the last year. Adderall I filled through one of those online docs… filled like 5 Rx’s in 5 months then never again for last 6 months.

So, long winded way of me wondering if I got myself onto a red flag list of some sort. Is there any way for me to ever know I’m on one? Is there any way off of it?

Or am I just imagining things which is more likely just doctors moving away from opioids?
 
Hi, I’m not sure if I posted this in this forum or if it was moved here by a mod. I don’t think the Drug Culture forum is the right one for this question, and I noticed it didn’t get any responses too. Could a mod move this to the Other Drugs forum, which is where I had intended to post it?
 
I don't think you got red flagged but it's possible. How long ago did you fill the scripts at 2 different pharmacies. And when you did fill them were you under a pain contract? I know those contracts make you use only one pharmacy and filling it twice was a violation. But it seems like the Dr. would have told you that and discharged you at the time. If he continued to prescribe then it probably wasn't noticed.

Apparently you lost the Dr. somehow that was giving you oxy. If you are looking for one NOW that will prescribe it .....good luck. If you go in and can prove chronic pain with past medical records, MRI's and X-rays they might give you some tramadol or codeine. Oxy seems to have gone by the wayside for many that used to get it.

I think the red flag thing is permanent. I would imagine that if enough time goes by ( like 10 years or so ) and you still live in the same area they might reconsider. I got red flagged as I would lie to get opioids. Run to the ER and pretend my back hurt or I had a migraine or some other ailment. They catch on real quick. And if you live in a County that has centralized health care ( like I do ) it's all in the computer for all to see. Once we give our date of birth......it's all there in black and white no matter what provider we go see. I would imagine that if I was ever in a serious traumatic injury they would give me something but as far as getting anything scripted monthly.....those days are over for me. Probably just as well as I ate them like candy and ran out early every single month without fail. Never once did I make them last 30 days.

But I have no clue about your situation. Next time you see a Dr. ask for codeine or tramadol instead of oxy. You will probably get that although I know it isn't as effective.

Disclaimer. I am not a nurse. I live in an asylum and boss the patients around. I take away their cigarettes because they gamble with them too much.
 
You’re getting these from a generic run of the mill family physician

What you need is for this family doctor to send you a referral to a professional pain clinic. Mine was CPM (Centres for Pain Management). These docs are specialists in treating chronic pain, and specifically pain in general

Find one close you your location….call them, speak to receptionist and ask if pain specialist docs are taking on new patients…..ask to have them fax a referral form to your family doctor. Your doc will complete form (probably charge you $50 or so) and fax back to Pain Clinic.

THEN you’re in business. Bring in any empty bottles of your meds and have a carefully scripted “story” detailing your entire situation. What has worked, what failed, what issues you’re having, etc.

Be mindful on the correct medical terms and correct ways of stating your needs. You don’t want to come off as an opioid dependant / drug seeking individual wanting lots of Oxy.

State that you originally requested the absolute lowest effective dose of Oxycodone, as you’re aware of its habit forming properties, you didn’t want to become dependant on opioids but due to the extreme pain you were experiencing it was the only medication that truly helped you maintain a healthy working lifestyle, your low dose never caused negative mental impairment and would generally take as needed when pain levels drastically increased

You should also request a safe/safer NSAID (Naproxen?) as they do/can cause serious GI track stomach issues and should be taken with a meal

You have been doing light / low impact exercise such as swimming to build muscle and keep joints and mobility functional. Only swimming because other forms are hi-impact and can cause pain and damage to joints, etc

State that Oxycodone was the most effective analgesic to treat your pain as morphine based drugs tend to be very sedating and can impair mental performance. Oxycodone taken as needed along with a low dose NSAID is the most effect treatment for you and need a pain specialist that is knowledgeable in prescribing such medications

Best of luck….it’s very doable
 
Been on and off oxy 5/325 and 10/325 for last 15+ years since I’ve been dealing with bad disc herniations basically yearly. Never had a problem getting them from doctors (who obviously changed over the years). In fact, doctors would almost push them way back when.

In the last 2 years in particular, it seems like I’ve basically been cut off. Had to suffer through some of the worst vomit-inducing pain I’ve ever experienced, and was assured muscle relaxants and NSAIDs would do the trick (they didn’t).

Now I’m stating to wonder - am I a victim of the general demonization of opioids happening across healthcare, or did I get red flagged somewhere along the way, and now no doctor will give me them.

A few data points:
- I once filled a 60 pill prescription at 2 pharmacies when the doctor screwed up and sent it to the wrong one. In one trip, I went to pharmacy A, filled it, then to pharmacy B, filled it. Did this only once and never again.
- Recently I have been fairly direct with a doctor asking (in a non junkie way, in my view) why he wouldn’t prescribe me oxy because it has helped me with acute pain so much in the past. He gave me the usual song and dance about it not being the right solution for me and we moved on.
- in the last 2 years, I’ve newly gotten onto several new drugs (legally with prescriptions): fluoxetine, Wellbutrin, Xanax, adderall. The amount of Xanax I fill is very low as I use it very infrequently. I’m off fluoxetine and Wellbutrin entirely for the last year. Adderall I filled through one of those online docs… filled like 5 Rx’s in 5 months then never again for last 6 months.

So, long winded way of me wondering if I got myself onto a red flag list of some sort. Is there any way for me to ever know I’m on one? Is there any way off of it?

Or am I just imagining things which is more likely just doctors moving away from opioids?
Same thing happened to me without double prescription. I was taking minimal dose of oxy (10mg p/d) for the last 10 years. My chronic pain was under control until the government decided to destroy our lives and tell us how to deal with pain. I was given paracetamol and ibuprofen instead (it's not a joke). Meanwhile the real junkies can buy heroine and fentanyl on the street without any problems. Instead of 10 mg oxy l am now taking 2 antidepressants and 24mg of bromazepam per day because the nanny state has decided its healthier for me.
 
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Same thing happened to me without double prescription. I was taking minimal dose of oxy (10mg p/d) for the last 10 years. My chronic pain was under control until the government decided to destroy our lives and tell us how to deal with pain. I was given paracetamol and ibuprofen instead (it's not a joke).
I am sorry the medical field is so inept. I took and passed a medical assistant course, started an RN course. I had honor level grades but I could not fold a bed sheet. That seemed more important than calculating meds or knowing nutrition which is a complex topic. The lead teacher was a moron. I was in an intern position after the first module on the geriatric floor. I was taking care of an older lady in a wheel chair. She asked me gently if she could see the sun. I opened the curtains and let her gaze out. Sun and smile on her face. Another total loser of a nurse gives me crap for doing that. Told me never do that. So this nurse gives this lady some meds. I checked in a few hours later and the lady was starting catatonic at the wall. When I was in there earlier she seemed much more engaging.

I dropped out of school and went into computer programmer. I disagree with a lot of medicine and agree with a lot. But there is a lot of BS in the field and what should be a medical issue between a patient and doctor has turned into thinking of the person as a criminal. F*ck em and their narrow minded inept doctoring.

I will say my wife's hip doctor is normal. My wife has had her whole pelvic wall rebuilt after an accident when she was 18. she has needed surgeries at times to correct things. This doc takes care of her. My wife does not like pain meds mind you, so she refused and he gave her 150 5 mgs percs with a refill on standby. He knew the pain involved. And she did need them. So bless Dr. B. Some docs actually take care of patients are not taken in by propaganda. Morphine should be in everyones medicine cabinet. And yes they use to push opiates before they became inept chick sh*ts. Some of them should just get out of medicine and get out of the way.

Sorry for the rant. It is not fair to all the good doctors and nurses. They do exist. But a general view I see a crappy situation.

Advil with some kratom can be a good pain killer. Sometimes better than the percs. Thank God for a natural substance that can help some people.
 
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I feel for you.. I think you need to find the right doc. My doctor is very considerate. He is a family physician, but is young (my age, 40ish) and gets it. I’m not abusing. Just taking for my pain. I felt like a bad person at times because of the stigmatization and still do, but he has talked me off a ledge. A great doc, basically. I’m on 20/25 mg per day of oxy. Under 30mg seems to be the acceptable limit to keep the docs from getting in trouble with the feds. And it damn well should be.
 
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I am sorry the medical field is so inept. I took and passed a medical assistant course, started an RN course. I had honor level grades but I could not fold a bed sheet. That seemed more important than calculating meds or knowing nutrition which is a complex topic. The lead teacher was a moron. I was in an intern position after the first module on the geriatric floor. I was taking care of an older lady in a wheel chair. She asked me gently if she could see the sun. I opened the curtains and let her gaze out. Sun and smile on her face. Another total loser of a nurse gives me crap for doing that. Told me never do that. So this nurse gives this lady some meds. I checked in a few hours later and the lady was starting catatonic at the wall. When I was in there earlier she seemed much more engaging.

I dropped out of school and went into computer programmer. I disagree with a lot of medicine and agree with a lot. But there is a lot of BS in the field and what should be a medical issue between a patient and doctor has turned into thinking of the person as a criminal. F*ck em and their narrow minded inept doctoring.

I will say my wife's hip doctor is normal. My wife has had her whole pelvic wall rebuilt after an accident when she was 18. she has needed surgeries at times to correct things. This doc takes care of her. My wife does not like pain meds mind you, so she refused and he gave her 150 5 mgs percs with a refill on standby. He knew the pain involved. And she did need them. So bless Dr. B. Some docs actually take care of patients are not taken in by propaganda. Morphine should be in everyones medicine cabinet. And yes they use to push opiates before they became inept chick sh*ts. Some of them should just get out of medicine and get out of the way.

Sorry for the rant. It is not fair to all the good doctors and nurses. They do exist. But a general view I see a crappy situation.

Advil with some kratom can be a good pain killer. Sometimes better than the percs. Thank God for a natural substance that can help some people.
Thanks for sharing this inspiring story with us.
 
Finding an understanding doctor is like finding a lump of gold. I have a psychiatrist who keeps rotating different antipsychotics for my anxiety, because she has an attitude that she won't prescribe benzos.

It's really frustrating, and I'm the one who gets to suffer so why would she care ... >_<
 
Finding an understanding doctor is like finding a lump of gold. I have a psychiatrist who keeps rotating different antipsychotics for my anxiety, because she has an attitude that she won't prescribe benzos.

It's really frustrating, and I'm the one who gets to suffer so why would she care ... >_<
Unfortunately you are 100% right.
 
I had to calm down from my rant yesterday. I think the thing that irritates me the most is doctors who will not prescribe. Yet a person with or without the dark net can get opiates and benzos on the street that are much more dangerous. To me that makes it a medical issue that a doctor should be able to rise up too. Notes in files, yes the patient came in on dangerous street opioids or benzos so I stabilized him/her. But what they do is create even more dangerous scenarios.

Again, there are good docs and medical personnel. Finding that could be gold, but it should be commonplace. if a person is dependent on benzos they should get a recurring script. Same with opiates. Keep it between Dr and patient. Keep the friggen politicians and government out of there. Because as Samuel L Jackson would say, I don't remember asking them a God damn thing!!
 
I had to calm down from my rant yesterday. I think the thing that irritates me the most is doctors who will not prescribe. Yet a person with or without the dark net can get opiates and benzos on the street that are much more dangerous. To me that makes it a medical issue that a doctor should be able to rise up too. Notes in files, yes the patient came in on dangerous street opioids or benzos so I stabilized him/her. But what they do is create even more dangerous scenarios.

Again, there are good docs and medical personnel. Finding that could be gold, but it should be commonplace. if a person is dependent on benzos they should get a recurring script. Same with opiates. Keep it between Dr and patient. Keep the friggen politicians and government out of there. Because as Samuel L Jackson would say, I don't remember asking them a God damn thing!!
What you said wasn't a rant, it was the simple truth. Every single sentence is logical and makes sense. In a normal world it should be like that. Unfortunately everything is upside-down these days and people who speak the truth are minority. My Dr. is a good guy but he is also scared. I can understand that. I've got only one choice left. To become that person (with or without dark net) but I've never done it before and don't know where to start?
 
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The difference between my last family physician and my current one is night and day. My current one checks in on me to see how I’m doing, understands when I want to try to mix up my meds, does not give in when he thinks I’m overdoing it, and I can tell he actually cares. I would say keep looking for a family physician that understands your position and actually listens.. Keep looking and you’ll find a trusting doctor. I know it. Godspeed
 
Just reading through your account of things that happened along the way, you might have been cut off. Or you could just be the victim of the changes surrounding opioid prescribing.

If you want to know what is going on, make a legal request for all of your medical records that you are afforded access to under the law (US).
 
I work in a health center, essentially within a primary care practice. I can offer some insight as to what may be happening in both OP's question, as well as more generally with some of the points @JackARoe makes.

Most states (maybe all, I'm not actually sure) require providers to cross reference controlled substance prescriptions through a controlled substances prescription monitoring program (PMP) - this is done by both the authorizing prescriber, and the authorizing pharmacist. Whenever you fill a prescription for any controlled or listed medicines, this information gets uploaded immediately into that database to be available for cross reference. Doctors are required to look you up before they write you a prescription for controlled substances, as is the pharmacist who is filling those prescriptions. This is to prevent people from doing things like taking a copy of an Rx to multiple, separate pharmacies, paying for their medicines in any mixture of insurance and cash, it would alert prescribers whether there is another prescriber who is also issuing a prescription for a similar or contraindicated controlled substance, and it lets pharmacies see this as well.

For reference, about 15 years ago I was a heroin addict who knew pretty well how to talk to doctors. I was able to get two different prescribers to write me for the following Rxs:

Ritalin (methylphenidate)
Ambien (zolpidem)
Suboxone (buprenorphine)
Klonopin (clonazepam)

Ambien CR (zolpidem)
Focalin (dexmethylphenidate)
Tranxene (Clorazepate)

I filled these scripts, sometimes on the same day, across the street from one another at a CVS and Walgreens, running the cheaper generic drugs through as cash fills at walgreens while putting the others through on my insurance. The only way that anyone could have noticed this was if they contacted my insurance company and inquired as to what medicines I'd been prescribed, and even then, it was only some of the medicines some of the times that I'd run through insurance. As most of this information falls under some form of patient confidentiality protections, it became very easy for people to end up getting multiple medications that could be harmful to that person, prescribed to them. This could happen intentionally, as was relatively true for me (I initially didn't know that this was the case, I found out only by accident as I was planning to change psychiatrists to the suboxone prescriber, only to realize that I could just go to see both of them and they wouldn't have any idea that they were both writing me prescriptions...) - this could also result in someone thinking they are doing the right thing, going to see multiple prescribers and having strong medications ordered that interact with other medications. With the number of different pharmacy chains and lack of centralized health records, it's easy for this kind of stuff to be lost in the mix. It's frankly one of the contributing factors to our current problem with opioids in the US - not the only factor, but certainly one of them.

The problem with PMPs is that as a patient, you are being judged by the person reading that database. When your name is checked in the database, someone might see that there are multiple attempts to fill a prescription at different pharmacies, and they lack the context as to what was happening in that situation. On top of that, the DEA will publicize its efforts to go after prescribers for their controlled substances practices, and this puts the fear of God into anyone who has chosen medicine as their career. As a result, providers are put in a position where they aren't always given the best information because Big Pharma pushes one way while the DEA slices another, and the patient (you) is left wanting the expert (the doctor) to just give you the correct medicines that work. What also affects this is that your doctor has other patients who maybe pushing to get their prescriptions changed,, increased, faxed over to another pharmacy, for seemingly malicious, or potentially benign, reasons... it's a quagmire.

Most prescribers have backed off hard on controlled substances as a result, especially opioids. It's a real shame because a lot of people with real pain and no options ultimately are pushed to turn to illicit markets to source pain medication which are incredibly saturated with fentanyl, to JackARoe's point.

The one tricky part about all of this, is that these ARE addictive drugs, and the person who is receiving the drug is often the last person to be able to see a problematic pattern developing. It's a moving target, honestly. I had an issue years ago where I was taking zolpidem for sleep (ambien) - I was taking 10mg at night, as prescribed. Once in a while I'd still have trouble falling asleep so I started taking a little extra piece, and because zolpidem is a schedule 4 controlled substance, I was able to fill it a few days early, no big deal. My doctor at the time was not really that invested in how often I was taking this medication, despite knowing that I was a former polypharmacy addict (as previously mentioned), because he was on the back 9 of his career, dealing with increasing pressure from his bosses to see more patients, convert to electronic medical records, and I was not a huge problem patient for him. I was young, relatively healthy, and the only controlled drug I asked him for was ambien, so he would happily refill it whenever.

One day the pharmacist at CVS gives me a hard time, "you're filling this too early, quite a bit". I was? It's no big deal, I told my doctor I sometimes take an extra little bit, it's fine - "It's not good! You shouldn't take more than 10mgs of this, it's not recommended for dosing above that level". Now, I could sit there and justify why I was doing what I was doing six ways to sunday, but in the end, he was actually 100% correct. I was taking a medication that is recommended for use as a Short Term treatment for insomnia, (14 days, my insurance actually only pays for 14 pills a month though I can fill it for 30 days if I paid out of pocket) and I was taking this medication for years on end, and I had increased my use to the point where I was taking 1.5x what I was supposed to take.

I had worked my way into developing a reliance on zolpidem for sleep that, while not heroin or the prescription drugs I had once been addicted to, was still not a good path for me to be on, and it took that pharmacist noticing that I had developed this pattern that I had missed, my doctor had missed, and pretty much everyone else involved in my care had missed.

It's for these reasons that having checks and balances is important, and it's also really friggin' hard to know what the right way to handle these situations is.

I hope that this is helpful to someone.

It's an awful situation honestly. All I can suggest is to develop a good relationship with your prescribers and your pharmacists, and if you have the option of having a care coordinator at your health center, (often a nurse or some other allied health professional who can speak on your behalf), to take advantage of that. Medical professionals are much more at ease when talking to another medical professional about complex and risky medication issues. Having one solid person in your corner can mean the world for making sure that your care is provided, and it also means that you have someone who can tell you objectively that you might be overusing, misusing, or becoming unintentionally dependent upon a medication. When that person is not a loved one or the person who is writing you prescriptions, it's a lot easier to have an open and honest conversation in the event that something like that were to happen.

Best of luck <3
 
Been on and off oxy 5/325 and 10/325 for last 15+ years since I’ve been dealing with bad disc herniations basically yearly. Never had a problem getting them from doctors (who obviously changed over the years). In fact, doctors would almost push them way back when.

In the last 2 years in particular, it seems like I’ve basically been cut off. Had to suffer through some of the worst vomit-inducing pain I’ve ever experienced, and was assured muscle relaxants and NSAIDs would do the trick (they didn’t).
Now I’m stating to wonder - am I a victim of the general demonization of opioids happening across healthcare, or did I get red flagged somewhere along the way, and now no doctor will give me them.

A few data points:
- I once filled a 60 pill prescription at 2 pharmacies when the doctor screwed up and sent it to the wrong one. In one trip, I went to pharmacy A, filled it, then to pharmacy B, filled it. Did this only once and never again.
- Recently I have been fairly direct with a doctor asking (in a non junkie way, in my view) why he wouldn’t prescribe me oxy because it has helped me with acute pain so much in the past. He gave me the usual song and dance about it not being the right solution for me and we moved on.
- in the last 2 years, I’ve newly gotten onto several new drugs (legally with prescriptions): fluoxetine, Wellbutrin, Xanax, adderall. The amount of Xanax I fill is very low as I use it very infrequently. I’m off fluoxetine and Wellbutrin entirely for the last year. Adderall I filled through one of those online docs… filled like 5 Rx’s in 5 months then never again for last 6 months.

So, long winded way of me wondering if I got myself onto a red flag list of some sort. Is there any way for me to ever know I’m on one? Is there any way off of it?

Or am I just imagining things which is more likely just doctors moving away from opioids?

No--I mean we can't say for sure but I heavily doubt you were red-flagged. To me, this situation looks more likely just the current climate of "opioid epidemic!" backfiring to somehow once again hurt innocent people every single time. They will never get it right. The drugs will always go to people who are manipulative and very good actors just looking for a lifestyle of being high on opioids, and people in horrible pain will somehow be considered "addicts" in the sense that they are the initial type of person that I just listed. I'm sorry this is happening to you, especially after the psychological effects of being dependent on opioids for soooo long. I don't have any advice or solutions, it just fucking sucks. At best, maybe you could just go doctor shopping like rich people do. You just immediately fire the doctor for not giving you what you want until the line goes down to find one who does. You absolutely need painkillers so I don't find anything wrong with doing whatever it takes to get them. Sadly, in cases like these many pain patients flock to heroin instead. Sounds like you're truly in pain some days, you might as well play the waterworks and make it apparent that you're suffering without any opioids. They're supposed to give it to people who cannot function from the pain. That really is *my* take on it.
 
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