Cross Tolerance Questions - 2c-i, MDMA, Methylone, Mephedrone.

[Burntfaceman420]

Hey everyone, First post here and I hope it's up to the standards.

Long story short: I'd like to do MDMA, Mephedrone, 2c-i and Methylone in a time frame of a little over a week, Inform me as to any potential cross-tolerance issues.

Basically, I have quite a scheduling dilemma. I have only 8 days back home (am currently out-of state for an extended period) and I want to have as much fun with my good friends as I can.

I would love to be able to partake in: MDMA, 4-MMC (Mephedrone), 2c-i, and bk-MDMA (Methylone). However, I'm not sure if I have a large enough reserve of neurotransmitters to accomplish this. I've done quite a bit of reading not only on Bluelight but other sources aswell, and this is the best I can deduce:

4-MMC, break for a few days, 2c-i + MDMA, break, and then bk-MDMA.

Correct me if I am wrong? If you can advise a better schedule, please tell me.

Also, as far as i have gathered a dosage of ~10mg 2ci + 200mg MDMA (I usually require 300mg+ due to a naturally high tolerance) would be appropriate?

Aswell, could I combine Butylone (bk-MBDB) with the Methylone, at around a 1:1 ratio of 90mg:90mg?

Thanks so much for your advice!

[Edited: clarity of time-frame]

 

[mystery mister E]

SWIM says that MDMA and Mephedrone/4mmc are somewhat cross tolerant, with 4mmc affecting MDMA more than the other way around. SWIM has had butylone sitting here for a long time untouched so can't comment on that as yet.

You would be better to savour each individual experience by stretching it out. Also would be safer (4mmc can be very more-ish). SWIM would pick MDMA over RC anyday.

A good plan might be to party hard the first and last nights, giving you max time to recover in between.

 

[lysergication]

I'd do 2C-I and MDMA, forget about this nasty 4-MMC :/

 

[Burntfaceman420]

Thanks for the input!

That was my original plan, but unfortunately my friends schedules and mine didn't quite match up.

Also, two corollary questions:

It would be my first time with 2c-i, would it be recommended I pass up the MDMA entirely, pass up the 2c-i, or do the 2c-i and see how I like it and then add MDMA if i feel okay with doing so?

From everything I've read it seems 4-MMC will not cause a false positive on a drug test, and even if it does, a GMS will show the wrong metabolite levels? Correct?

 

[Shambles]

I've not noticed much if any cross-tolerance between meph and M1 - you can use meph back to back for days if you really want to and it still does the trick - not a good idea but plenty of peeps do

MDMA and M1 would probably have some cross-tolerance as they are both more serotonergic from what I know - meph mainly affects dopamine, I believe. 2C-x don't have much cross-tolerance with each other (can also use for a number of days running with almost no noticeable tolerance, in my experience) but may well have some with MDMA/meph. Not sure though and probably not enough to reduce the effects that dramatically. This is just me though and the kinda thing your talking about has been a pretty average weekend sometimes so make of that what you will

B1/M1 are okay to mix and 1:1 seems to be a good ratio. Dosage obviously varies between individuals and that sounds slightly on the low side to me but YMMV. You can always take more as required.

To be honest, I've done this kinda thing frequently with no issues (not to suggest it's exactly wise to do so but I'm not exactly wise myself). Both M1 (and especially meph - horrid toxic crap and a shitty high) are pretty worthless drugs, in my opinion, but as a one-off thing I don't imagine cross-tolerance would be a huge concern with your plan. Would flush the meph though, to be honest. If not maybe put it in the middle as it has less of a draining effect on serotonin than the others, I believe.

EDIT: I would advise doing the 2C-I without MDMA as you've never tried it alone before. Meph shows a false positive for amphetamine/meth, I think, although other reports say it doesn't show up anything. No definite data on it that I know of.

 

[Burntfaceman420]

Okay, thanks for your thoughts on the matter!

I figure I'll do 2c-i a few days before MDMA and see how I like it. Then, if i feel like it, I can do both together, or just MDMA.

And it seems like I should err on the side of caution and not do 4-MMC if it seems I might get tested. Do you know of any false positives occurring with Methylone/Butylone?

Thanks again you guys, this is really helping alot!

Edit: I know it's slightly counter-intuitive doing MDMA but not 4-MMC if I might get tested, but the reason is because the MDMA would be much earlier in the vacation. Just trying to clear that up.

 

[Shambles]

I really don't know for sure about M1/B1 test results but have a vague memory they can show a positive for amphetamine/meth too. May well be wrong though and drug test questions aren't allowed in much of BL so you may well not find many answers here. Might be worth your while searching their Megathreads in EADD as I know people have mentioned false positives (and also clean tests - really is unknown territory with conflicting reports at the moment) for either or both meph and M1. Don't recall seeing B1 mentioned anywhere but would presume it's in a similar boat. BL policy on drug test stuff tends to be the painfully obvious and undeniable fact that if you know you're gonna be tested, don't use. It's really the only way to be sure.

Also, just to make clear, my above post absolutely doesn't mean it's safe or even close to being a good idea to binge like that... but I have had no problems and really don't notice any significant cross-tolerance between different drugs in the same class over such short periods. MDMA (and LSD) used back to back is the only real exception and really doesn't work too well but sure there are others and YMMV as ever.

 

[Burntfaceman420]

Mehh, I'm not a big fan of the "don't use if you're gonna be tested approach" when it comes to stims and things that get out of your system quite quickly. I think I'll chance it and push the limits by giving myself 3 days to get it out of my system, and that should be enough I think.

And yeah, I'm aware of the dangers of binging like that, but I handled significant neural beatings before and am not too much worse for the wear. Thanks for the caution though, it's nice to know people out there care

 

[kzorro]

SWIM says that MDMA and Mephedrone/4mmc are somewhat cross tolerant, with 4mmc affecting MDMA more than the other way around. SWIM has had butylone sitting here for a long time untouched so can't comment on that as yet.

You would be better to savour each individual experience by stretching it out. Also would be safer (4mmc can be very more-ish). SWIM would pick MDMA over RC anyday.

A good plan might be to party hard the first and last nights, giving you max time to recover in between.

We don't use SWIM here, and you're certainly not fooling anyone in that post.