billybobber
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First of all, the reason for the new thread is because the other thread is rife with incorrect information. There seems to be some lake of understanding as to what the make up of the glue is, etc.
Also, the other thread will literally kill you because the Fentanyl is never converted to it's citrate salt, therefore, in the other thread, the Fentanyl will have bad water dissolution resulting in potential hotspots in the solution which could potentially kill someone. This is dangerous. Not to mention the pure fentanyl fumes produced by the heating of the fentanyl freebase, even the procedure could kill you.
SWIM wanted to show the proper method of extraction and minimize risk to the user. SWIM was shocked by the other thread and how dangerous it was.
Also, the solvents being employed are deplorable.
This extraction requires ZERO labware. Owning labware is dangerous and SWIM recommends against it.
The goal of this extraction is to extract the freebase Fentanyl then to titrate it into Fentanyl Citrate.
SWIM spent years in a former life doing pill extractions... SWIM used to help a guy who needed pill extractions, a long time ago, anyway, nuff said on that. It was eons ago, and literally SWIM can extract any active from just about any pill, or, in this case, a patch. Bottom line, if it's in a pill/patch, SWIM can still extract it out.
So, while SWIM's background in extractions isn't exactly academic, SWIM's chemistry knowledge is not too shabby. SWIM will do his best to explain the extraction process as well as get into a little chemistry about what it is exactly we're doing, and then will sum it all up by sharing personal experiences with this procedure.
First things first, disclaimer (from other post):
The safest way to use any fentanyl patch is to wear it transdermally as indicated. You can apply heat or take a hot bath to speed up the release if desired. You still need to be careful and opiate tolerant when using fentanyl in any way.
Also, SWIM strongly recommends you read SWIM's personal experiences with this method before attempting anything. SWIM experienced first hand how Fentanyl can sort of sneak up on you because it has so little Euphoria, and is somewhat "cold", it is easy to not "feel" it and do too much. In my opinion, that makes it incredibly dangerous. SWIM found it far too easy to do too big of a dose. SWIM literally ended up timing everything like a nurse.
Okay, first thing thats needed is a good solvent. Perhaps one of the best all around solvents for extractions is methanol. It is a highly versatile polar solvent. Polar means that it has a slight off balance electrical charge, just like the substance we are trying to extract, freebase fentanyl (same is true for Fentanyl Citrate).
Once quick note on Fentanyl. We are extracting freebase fentanyl. This means that a 100mcg/hr patch which has 10.00 mg of Fentanyl will produce 15.7mg of Fentanyl Citrate. This is very important to realize because of the fast acting nature of Citrate, it's important to realize during dosing that by adding the Citrate molecule, you are in essence increasing the mass of the molecule by 57%.
The freebase molecule has a molecular weight of 336.5 and the molecular weight of the citrate is 528.6.
The above information on Fentanyl is very important and was not found anywhere in the other post.
As far as the patches go, SWIM will be focusing on Mylan Polymer Matrix patches. Typically, these contain around 100 hours worth of medication at a rate of 12.5,25, 50,75,100 mcg/hour. So, a 12.5 mcg patch will contain 1.25 mg of Fentanyl typically. A 50mcg/hr patch will contain 5mg of Fentanyl.
Required Materials
The first thing you must do is ignore what a chemical is being used for. You must focus on the chemical itself and it's purity. So, when you see SWIM put down "Gasline DeIcer", you cannot freak out, it's 100% pure methanol. SWIM has confirmed this in many ways, it has zero measurable impurities.
1) Methanol. "Splash Gasline Deicer in the yellow bottle". Check the MSDS of the product, you want CAS 67-56-1 METHANOL. You can perform an optional distillation of the methanol if you're concerned about purity. Note, that contrary to popular belief, the Splash brand does NOT contain a lubricant.
2) Small, very small beaker, glass cup. Literally we're looking for 50ml or so in terms of volume. Picture a patch cut in half and laying that half into the cup, it should lay flat in the cup with very little distance from the edges of the patch to the edges of the cup.
3) Watch glass (drying glass), or a small plate. This is to speed up the drying process.
4) Citric Acid (Lemon Juice). Standard lemon juice, you will only need around 3ml or so.
5) Pipette, or eye dropper, or you could use a straw with your hand (NEVER YOUR MOUTH!!!)
6) Tweezers
7) Razor blade to cut the patch
8) Rubber Gloves MANDATORY This is a must. If any of the solvent splashes on you, you could die.
9) Protective glasses, goggles. This is again for safety to keep anything from splashing in your eye.
10) Optional Empty glass sterile injection bottle 10cc
11) MANDATORY: A graduated cylinder, or, an accurate syringe with marks. You need to be able to measure out around 10cc of liquid and know exactly how much liquid you've measured. This is a non skip, must be done.
12) Ethanol. Preservative. 80 proof vodka is fine. This will keep it sterile, and yes, store bought ethanol is filtered better than bottled water, it's ATF law.
A note on safety. If you have zero background in chemistry, or have never done labs in school, etc, baked a cake, then you shouldn't be doing this.
If you splash the solvent onto something not in the cup, stop, and stop the procedure, you shouldn't be doing it. All movements must be unobstructed, fluid, with constant motion. Move very carefully, as if you are handling dynamite.
The Procedure
Ok, now we begin. First of all clean up your work area, you don't want to be knocking things over.
Cut your patch in half and remove the adhesive from one half and place it into the bottom of the beaker with the sticky face facing up.
Take your pipette or eye dropper and slowly drop in Methanol onto the beaker until you have completely covered the half patch and there is about 1cm of methanol sitting on top of the patch.
You now walk away and let it sit for 30 minutes, come back every 8 minutes and swirl the beaker, or stir with a plastic stick. (Be mindful of what you stir with and properly dispose of whatever that is).
This will extract almost 100% of the Fentanyl. This is by far the best possible extraction method to date.
Now, take your tweezers and carefully remove the half and replace it with the other half patch. Do not add more methanol, just wait another 30 minutes, swirling or stirring every 8 minutes. Again, make sure the patch is on the bottom, with the sticky face up.
Now, your extraction is complete. Remove the remaining patch piece and discard. What you are left with is a small amount of methanol in the bottom of a cup. You will be evaporating this, and then combining with Citric acid.
First, to evaporate, use a watch class or a very small bowl, glass dish, etc. Use your eyes to estimate the size of the drying dish in relation to the very small amount of methanol.
Methanol is not aromatic and could take awhile to evaporate, so, the better the dish and airflow, the faster it'll evap.
Pour your extraction into your drying dish and let sit in away from sunlight but perhaps in front of a fan. Air movement will hasten the evaporation.
Note, if you are not in a hurry, the absolute best way to evaporate your methanol is to simply tip the cup on it's side at a steep angle and put a support under the rim to keep the methanol from spilling. This allows air to enter the cup and evaporate the methanol in situ.
When the methanol has evaporated you are left with a small amount of a white crystalline substance, this is pure freebase Fentanyl. You'll notice there is ZERO glue residue, or anything else, just pure Fentanyl. This is because SWIM has removed the steps from the other procedure which will result in impurities.
Now it's time to titrate the freebase into the citrate salt.
Remember during dosing that the citrate salt has 57% more mass than the freebase.
Take your pipette and make sure it's clean, and drop about 2cc's of lemon juice onto the drying plate, or into the cup if you let it evaporate right from the cup. Also add 5 cc's of water ***.
Stir this mixture until all of the Fentanyl freebase is dissolved.
Now for the important part. Dosing...
You will need a syringe, or a graduated cylinder, something to precisely calculate exactly how many mcg's are in a ml of solution. This is a life or death issue and cannot be skimped on.
***At this point we have titrated the solution, so, if you know what you are doing, go ahead and dilute to your desired concentration, or follow SWIM's instructions:
You should have around 7cc or so of solution. You want to make it 8cc, so first measure your 7cc to get the exact amount and add whatever is needed to make it 8cc's.
Now, add 2 cc's of ethanol to sterilize it. Now you will have 10cc of solution.
So, if you had a 100mcg/hr patch, you've got a solution with 1000 mcg/cc. You will only need a very small amount of solution to use.
At this point you may place it into a glass vial, or whatever enclosure you decide to use.
Personal Notes
SWIM decided to do the Fentanyl IM. IV is far too dangerous, so, IM was perfect for SWIM's needs. SWIM had never had Fentanyl before but, was opiate tolerant.
In SWIM's opinion, SWIM doesn't understand how people have passed this off as fake Heroin, SWIM could definitely tell the difference.
After doing it for an entire day, SWIM stopped, and watched a movie. About 3-4 hours from SWIM's last shot, SWIM experienced a heart rate of 58 bpm, and felt uncomfortable. Again, SWIM has never done Fentanyl. So, to be safe, SWIM injected 0.5 Naxolone (Extracted from suboxone) and felt normal again around 20 mins later.
SWIM didn't like the feeling at all of Fentanyl. It felt synthetic to SWIM. SWIM didn't like the way that it is hard to dose because you don't feel the high that Heroin has, but all the downer affects, you have to be very careful dosing because SWIM feels it's far too easy to do too much and not even know it.
The Fentanyl is extremely addictive, SWIM quickly became addicted to it.
SWIM's next endeavor is to get ahold of the new Oxy pills which are supposedly hard to extract
SWIM is excited to do an extraction on these new pills.... .....
Until next time.
BB
Also, the other thread will literally kill you because the Fentanyl is never converted to it's citrate salt, therefore, in the other thread, the Fentanyl will have bad water dissolution resulting in potential hotspots in the solution which could potentially kill someone. This is dangerous. Not to mention the pure fentanyl fumes produced by the heating of the fentanyl freebase, even the procedure could kill you.
SWIM wanted to show the proper method of extraction and minimize risk to the user. SWIM was shocked by the other thread and how dangerous it was.
Also, the solvents being employed are deplorable.
This extraction requires ZERO labware. Owning labware is dangerous and SWIM recommends against it.
The goal of this extraction is to extract the freebase Fentanyl then to titrate it into Fentanyl Citrate.
SWIM spent years in a former life doing pill extractions... SWIM used to help a guy who needed pill extractions, a long time ago, anyway, nuff said on that. It was eons ago, and literally SWIM can extract any active from just about any pill, or, in this case, a patch. Bottom line, if it's in a pill/patch, SWIM can still extract it out.
So, while SWIM's background in extractions isn't exactly academic, SWIM's chemistry knowledge is not too shabby. SWIM will do his best to explain the extraction process as well as get into a little chemistry about what it is exactly we're doing, and then will sum it all up by sharing personal experiences with this procedure.
First things first, disclaimer (from other post):
The safest way to use any fentanyl patch is to wear it transdermally as indicated. You can apply heat or take a hot bath to speed up the release if desired. You still need to be careful and opiate tolerant when using fentanyl in any way.
Also, SWIM strongly recommends you read SWIM's personal experiences with this method before attempting anything. SWIM experienced first hand how Fentanyl can sort of sneak up on you because it has so little Euphoria, and is somewhat "cold", it is easy to not "feel" it and do too much. In my opinion, that makes it incredibly dangerous. SWIM found it far too easy to do too big of a dose. SWIM literally ended up timing everything like a nurse.
Okay, first thing thats needed is a good solvent. Perhaps one of the best all around solvents for extractions is methanol. It is a highly versatile polar solvent. Polar means that it has a slight off balance electrical charge, just like the substance we are trying to extract, freebase fentanyl (same is true for Fentanyl Citrate).
Once quick note on Fentanyl. We are extracting freebase fentanyl. This means that a 100mcg/hr patch which has 10.00 mg of Fentanyl will produce 15.7mg of Fentanyl Citrate. This is very important to realize because of the fast acting nature of Citrate, it's important to realize during dosing that by adding the Citrate molecule, you are in essence increasing the mass of the molecule by 57%.
The freebase molecule has a molecular weight of 336.5 and the molecular weight of the citrate is 528.6.
The above information on Fentanyl is very important and was not found anywhere in the other post.
As far as the patches go, SWIM will be focusing on Mylan Polymer Matrix patches. Typically, these contain around 100 hours worth of medication at a rate of 12.5,25, 50,75,100 mcg/hour. So, a 12.5 mcg patch will contain 1.25 mg of Fentanyl typically. A 50mcg/hr patch will contain 5mg of Fentanyl.
Required Materials
The first thing you must do is ignore what a chemical is being used for. You must focus on the chemical itself and it's purity. So, when you see SWIM put down "Gasline DeIcer", you cannot freak out, it's 100% pure methanol. SWIM has confirmed this in many ways, it has zero measurable impurities.
1) Methanol. "Splash Gasline Deicer in the yellow bottle". Check the MSDS of the product, you want CAS 67-56-1 METHANOL. You can perform an optional distillation of the methanol if you're concerned about purity. Note, that contrary to popular belief, the Splash brand does NOT contain a lubricant.
2) Small, very small beaker, glass cup. Literally we're looking for 50ml or so in terms of volume. Picture a patch cut in half and laying that half into the cup, it should lay flat in the cup with very little distance from the edges of the patch to the edges of the cup.
3) Watch glass (drying glass), or a small plate. This is to speed up the drying process.
4) Citric Acid (Lemon Juice). Standard lemon juice, you will only need around 3ml or so.
5) Pipette, or eye dropper, or you could use a straw with your hand (NEVER YOUR MOUTH!!!)
6) Tweezers
7) Razor blade to cut the patch
8) Rubber Gloves MANDATORY This is a must. If any of the solvent splashes on you, you could die.
9) Protective glasses, goggles. This is again for safety to keep anything from splashing in your eye.
10) Optional Empty glass sterile injection bottle 10cc
11) MANDATORY: A graduated cylinder, or, an accurate syringe with marks. You need to be able to measure out around 10cc of liquid and know exactly how much liquid you've measured. This is a non skip, must be done.
12) Ethanol. Preservative. 80 proof vodka is fine. This will keep it sterile, and yes, store bought ethanol is filtered better than bottled water, it's ATF law.
A note on safety. If you have zero background in chemistry, or have never done labs in school, etc, baked a cake, then you shouldn't be doing this.
If you splash the solvent onto something not in the cup, stop, and stop the procedure, you shouldn't be doing it. All movements must be unobstructed, fluid, with constant motion. Move very carefully, as if you are handling dynamite.
The Procedure
Ok, now we begin. First of all clean up your work area, you don't want to be knocking things over.
Cut your patch in half and remove the adhesive from one half and place it into the bottom of the beaker with the sticky face facing up.
Take your pipette or eye dropper and slowly drop in Methanol onto the beaker until you have completely covered the half patch and there is about 1cm of methanol sitting on top of the patch.
You now walk away and let it sit for 30 minutes, come back every 8 minutes and swirl the beaker, or stir with a plastic stick. (Be mindful of what you stir with and properly dispose of whatever that is).
This will extract almost 100% of the Fentanyl. This is by far the best possible extraction method to date.
Now, take your tweezers and carefully remove the half and replace it with the other half patch. Do not add more methanol, just wait another 30 minutes, swirling or stirring every 8 minutes. Again, make sure the patch is on the bottom, with the sticky face up.
Now, your extraction is complete. Remove the remaining patch piece and discard. What you are left with is a small amount of methanol in the bottom of a cup. You will be evaporating this, and then combining with Citric acid.
First, to evaporate, use a watch class or a very small bowl, glass dish, etc. Use your eyes to estimate the size of the drying dish in relation to the very small amount of methanol.
Methanol is not aromatic and could take awhile to evaporate, so, the better the dish and airflow, the faster it'll evap.
Pour your extraction into your drying dish and let sit in away from sunlight but perhaps in front of a fan. Air movement will hasten the evaporation.
Note, if you are not in a hurry, the absolute best way to evaporate your methanol is to simply tip the cup on it's side at a steep angle and put a support under the rim to keep the methanol from spilling. This allows air to enter the cup and evaporate the methanol in situ.
When the methanol has evaporated you are left with a small amount of a white crystalline substance, this is pure freebase Fentanyl. You'll notice there is ZERO glue residue, or anything else, just pure Fentanyl. This is because SWIM has removed the steps from the other procedure which will result in impurities.
Now it's time to titrate the freebase into the citrate salt.
Remember during dosing that the citrate salt has 57% more mass than the freebase.
Take your pipette and make sure it's clean, and drop about 2cc's of lemon juice onto the drying plate, or into the cup if you let it evaporate right from the cup. Also add 5 cc's of water ***.
Stir this mixture until all of the Fentanyl freebase is dissolved.
Now for the important part. Dosing...
You will need a syringe, or a graduated cylinder, something to precisely calculate exactly how many mcg's are in a ml of solution. This is a life or death issue and cannot be skimped on.
***At this point we have titrated the solution, so, if you know what you are doing, go ahead and dilute to your desired concentration, or follow SWIM's instructions:
You should have around 7cc or so of solution. You want to make it 8cc, so first measure your 7cc to get the exact amount and add whatever is needed to make it 8cc's.
Now, add 2 cc's of ethanol to sterilize it. Now you will have 10cc of solution.
So, if you had a 100mcg/hr patch, you've got a solution with 1000 mcg/cc. You will only need a very small amount of solution to use.
At this point you may place it into a glass vial, or whatever enclosure you decide to use.
Personal Notes
SWIM decided to do the Fentanyl IM. IV is far too dangerous, so, IM was perfect for SWIM's needs. SWIM had never had Fentanyl before but, was opiate tolerant.
In SWIM's opinion, SWIM doesn't understand how people have passed this off as fake Heroin, SWIM could definitely tell the difference.
After doing it for an entire day, SWIM stopped, and watched a movie. About 3-4 hours from SWIM's last shot, SWIM experienced a heart rate of 58 bpm, and felt uncomfortable. Again, SWIM has never done Fentanyl. So, to be safe, SWIM injected 0.5 Naxolone (Extracted from suboxone) and felt normal again around 20 mins later.
SWIM didn't like the feeling at all of Fentanyl. It felt synthetic to SWIM. SWIM didn't like the way that it is hard to dose because you don't feel the high that Heroin has, but all the downer affects, you have to be very careful dosing because SWIM feels it's far too easy to do too much and not even know it.
The Fentanyl is extremely addictive, SWIM quickly became addicted to it.
SWIM's next endeavor is to get ahold of the new Oxy pills which are supposedly hard to extract
SWIM is excited to do an extraction on these new pills.... ..... Until next time.
BB
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