Heroin Considering First IV

[Euphio]

I know there's a million threads like this so I apologize!

Well, I'm thinking about IVing heroin for the first time. I almost did it tonight, but decided to just snort this bag and maybe try it next time (give myself some time to think it over).

I'm somewhat experienced with opiates, but I'm not an addict. Well.. I might be mentally addicted, but I have never had physical withdrawals. I generally give myself 3 days to a week before trying it again.

Well anyways, I have a few questions. I'm curious about how much I should do for the first time. I know it depends on many variables. For an idea of my tolerance, a 30mg oxy will get me high and feeling good, but no nod whatsoever and very functional. Tonight I did most of a bag, which around these parts is about .2. Again, I feel good, but no nod. Honestly, I don't have much euphoria (not even as much as from an Mbox) but I am a bit sedated and relaxed. If I bang it I'll buy it from the same source, and his stuff is pretty consistent. Would about 1/4 of a bag be a good start, or does that sound dangerous (so around .05)?

I've researched a lot about how to do it. I have powder H, and will just dissolve it in bottled water, no heat. I think I'll use my inner elbow. I have access to clean needles. After I pull the needle out, will I be functional? Will my arm bleed? If so, how much?

If I do decide to do it, I plan on making it my last time doing H. I just really want to experience that incredible euphoria everyone discusses, even if it's just one time. Would you say it's even possible to do it one time?

Well, any words of advice or warning are much appreciated. I want all the information I can get

 

[ryand123]

Well a general rule for IV'ing is to shoot a 1/3 of whatever you normally do. For tar, do about a match head sized piece or smaller, you can NEVER be too careful with IV use, or heroin use in general. Prep your shot, no heat, micro filter or cotton filter if you have no microns, wipe injection site with alcohol, stick needle into skin w/ bevel UP, once youve pierced the skin pull back on plunger to creat a small vacuum, then insert needle into vein, if you hit it you will see a flash of blood shoot in because of that vacuum you created when you first pierced the skin. Push down on syringe, re-register halfway through to make sure your still in, if it hurts or burns you are NOT in a vein so take it out and try again. Once you have finished injecting, release tie-off BEFORE you take the needle out to make sure nothing spills out of the vein. After that, take need out of arm and apply pressure with a cotton swab or something sterile to staunch any blood coming out of your skin, and ENJOY .

 

[thesameoldfears]

I'm somewhat experienced with opiates, but I'm not an addict. Well.. I might be mentally addicted, but I have never had physical withdrawals. I generally give myself 3 days to a week before trying it again.

If you want it to stay this way, don't start iving.

If I do decide to do it, I plan on making it my last time doing H. I just really want to experience that incredible euphoria everyone discusses, even if it's just one time. Would you say it's even possible to do it one time?

No. I've never met anyone who used iv heroin one time. None of my friends, no friends of friends, no one at the psych ward, no one at any of the various rehab programs I've been in, or anyone at AA/NA. No one. You might be superman but heroin is stronger than you.

Have you tried rectal administration? It has almost every benefit iv does without the risks. I have needle fever big time and plugging is far superior to instranasal IMO. I would definitely give that a shot first.

If you insist on going ahead with iving, please do some research first! There are several threads on here that offer a ton of information.

First look into plugging:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/206901-Official-Rectal-Admin-Plugging-Thread

Then read up on some commonly asked heroin questions:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...nner-s-Guide?highlight=beginners+guide+heroin
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/396038-Heroin-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ

Then learn everything there is to learn about proper iv technique, what could go wrong, and the benefits to micron filering.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...-Info-MEGATHREAD-amp-FAQ-III-vs-I-Want-Blood?
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/481622-Micron-Filtering-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ

Please read up on everything and if you decide to go through with iving, make sure all your questions are answered. Ideally, get someone IRL to show you how to do it. A few notable things I thought I would mention (though they are by no means the only rules to iving):
do NOT heat your shot. ever. under any circumstance.
always filter, ideally with a micron/wheel filter.
always use a clean needle.
always keep everything as sterile as possible, wash you hands with isopropyl alcohol prior to prepping your shot, wipe down your injection site with IPA as well, and clean you spoon afterwards.
always rotate injection sites.
NEVER share ANY iv equipment with ANYONE. not your mom, your sister, your boyfriend, your friend, your priest, or your god. this includes needles, syringes, water, cooker, tourniquet, ANYTHING. Just don't fucking do it.
always do a tester shot/bump to gauge the potency of your batch of heroin, though even one bag can vary greatly to the next. also try to having someone with you (who's not doing a shot the second you are) in case you fall out, and ideally keep naloxone around in case of an OD (though do not count on this saving you, always call an ambulance if an OD is suspected).
always make sure youre injecting in a vein, not an artery. an artery will be characterized by the blood spurting into the needle very strong and very bright, a burning sensation, and pain upon registering and injecting. if you see/feel any of these STOP immediately and apply firm pressure for 30 minutes.
always register - pull back the plunger on the syringe and blood will come into the barrel if you are in a vein. if no blood comes in do not inject, pull out and try again. if it burns when injecting, you may have poked through the vein, slipped out, or blown it out and need to discontinue injection immediately.

And ryand123 mentioned releasing your tourniquet after you've finished injecting, but you really need to release it just after registering, prior to injecting any fluid. Not releasing the tie can cause you to blow out your vein.

Also, please look at a vein map and familiarize yourself with your body so you know where a vein is, what it feels like, and where to avoid arteries and nerves.

Please be careful and ask any follow-up questions you may have!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If you want it to stay this way, don't start iving.


No. I've never met anyone who used iv heroin one time. None of my friends, no friends of friends, no one at the psych ward, no one at any of the various rehab programs I've been in, or anyone at AA/NA. No one. You might be superman but heroin is stronger than you.

Have you tried rectal administration? It has almost every benefit iv does without the risks. I have needle fever big time and plugging is far superior to instranasal IMO. I would definitely give that a shot first.

If you insist on going ahead with iving, please do some research first! There are several threads on here that offer a ton of information.

First look into plugging:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/206901-Official-Rectal-Admin-Plugging-Thread

Then read up on some commonly asked heroin questions:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...nner-s-Guide?highlight=beginners+guide+heroin
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/396038-Heroin-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ

Then learn everything there is to learn about proper iv technique, what could go wrong, and the benefits to micron filering.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...-Info-MEGATHREAD-amp-FAQ-III-vs-I-Want-Blood?
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/481622-Micron-Filtering-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ

Please read up on everything and if you decide to go through with iving, make sure all your questions are answered. Ideally, get someone IRL to show you how to do it. A few notable things I thought I would mention (though they are by no means the only rules to iving):
do NOT heat your shot. ever. under any circumstance.
always filter, ideally with a micron/wheel filter.
always use a clean needle.
always keep everything as sterile as possible, wash you hands with isopropyl alcohol prior to prepping your shot, wipe down your injection site with IPA as well, and clean you spoon afterwards.
always rotate injection sites.
NEVER share ANY iv equipment with ANYONE. not your mom, your sister, your boyfriend, your friend, your priest, or your god. this includes needles, syringes, water, cooker, tourniquet, ANYTHING. Just don't fucking do it.
always do a tester shot/bump to gauge the potency of your batch of heroin, though even one bag can vary greatly to the next. also try to having someone with you (who's not doing a shot the second you are) in case you fall out, and ideally keep naloxone around in case of an OD (though do not count on this saving you, always call an ambulance if an OD is suspected).
always make sure youre injecting in a vein, not an artery. an artery will be characterized by the blood spurting into the needle very strong and very bright, a burning sensation, and pain upon registering and injecting. if you see/feel any of these STOP immediately and apply firm pressure for 30 minutes.
always register - pull back the plunger on the syringe and blood will come into the barrel if you are in a vein. if no blood comes in do not inject, pull out and try again. if it burns when injecting, you may have poked through the vein, slipped out, or blown it out and need to discontinue injection immediately.

And ryand123 mentioned releasing your tourniquet after you've finished injecting, but you really need to release it just after registering, prior to injecting any fluid. Not releasing the tie can cause you to blow out your vein.

Also, please look at a vein map and familiarize yourself with your body so you know where a vein is, what it feels like, and where to avoid arteries and nerves.

Please be careful and ask any follow-up questions you may have!

^ very good post; I didn't read it all but I wanted to add...

just in case you have already started IVing, and didn't follow all of this great advice by possibly sharing needles/cookers/anything, please get tested for HIV and Hep C. You'll be a lot happier knowing what your status is, and after you get tested, please never share anything again, and get re-tested in the months to come to be on the safe side.

Where I live, I can get tested for Hep C and HIV for free (as well as all STD's).

Well a general rule for IV'ing is to shoot a 1/3 of whatever you normally do.

For some drugs the difference might be even more dramatic. So always do research on bio-availability and common starting dosages for whatever drug you are using.

I could get to the top level of DMT with 35-50 mg, but vaporizing 200+ mg would probably not even come close IME; or if it did that is still at least 4+ times as much.

 

[ryand123]

yes as mentioned above, release tourniquet WHILE injecting, blowing a vein sucks! And thank you Captain for that clarification, I was specifically referring to heroin because thats what the OP is talking about, but yeah that rule is not the case for all drugs. For example, if you are used to taking oxycodone orally, than IVing it would mean you should use about 10-20% less than that oral dose, as oxycodone has a BA of about 90% orally i think. But if are used to oral hydromorphone and want to IV it, dont think you can just take off 10% of your regular dose and shoot it and be fine, as hydromorphone has a piss poor oral BA and the amount you are receiving into your CNS is increased drastically. Always research BA of your drugs when switching ROA's!! Another thing, NEVER inject where to veins meet. You could damage valves in them. There are many things you need to consider when IV'ing anything, different chems have different problems associated with them. Kinda sucks its so hazardous huh? Be very careful man!

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I'm somewhat experienced with opiates, but I'm not an addict. Well.. I might be mentally addicted, but I have never had physical withdrawals. I generally give myself 3 days to a week before trying it again.

If you want it to stay this way, don't start iving.

^THIS.

I'm curious about how much I should do for the first time... Would about 1/4 of a bag be a good start, or does that sound dangerous (so around .05)?
If you decide to inject anyway, understanding the risks (well, no one can truly comprehend the risks when they haven't been there) start out with a very small amount (like 15mg) to gauge how it affects you because you can never be sure how potent street heroin is or the difference between your snorted dose and a safe IV dose. Also do a test shot every time you get a new batch. A test shot can easily save your life. You can then get a better idea of how much might be an appropriate dose to try next - if in doubt err on the side of caution, better to be "not high enough" than dead! Don't just start with 50mg, that could potentially be dangerous, I overdosed off of less than that and I had been using heroin IV for a while at that time. It's impossible for us to know the purity of your dope or how it will affect you.

After I pull the needle out, will I be functional?
You should be functional. If you aren't "functional" after injecting heroin you have done too much. If you are uncontrollably nodding and wake up passed out on the bathroom floor holding your syringe that is a very bad sign.

Will my arm bleed? If so, how much?
It will probably bleed, it should only bleed a very tiny amount if done correctly but have a clean tissue or cotton ball on hand to apply.

If I do decide to do it, I plan on making it my last time doing H. I just really want to experience that incredible euphoria everyone discusses, even if it's just one time. Would you say it's even possible to do it one time?
Anything's possible, that does not mean it is at all likely or that it's something you can predict or control, it's not as though it's just a matter of just having a strong willpower. For you, someone who already does heroin every 3-7 days I would say no, you are not going to inject heroin once and then stop using heroin. Nearly everyone starts off thinking they can just do it once, that they want to experience the rush they've heard about. Stay away from it.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Well, any words of advice or warning are much appreciated. I want all the information I can get

You're going to regret it.. big time.

Other than that.. have you read through the IV Megathread in my signature? There is a lot of need-to-know information in there for the poor soul who makes the disastrous choice to start shooting dope..

 

[Treefa]

In the purpouse of harm reduction i will state the obvious, "Don't do it".

You say your mentally addicted right? Physical addiction hides behind psychological addiction, but before you even expect it physical addiction rears it's ugly head(which is constructed of an anus, asymmetrical eyes, and teeth within the anus that eat you alive, starting with your arms)....Kind of like a trojan horse.

I'm not your fucking mom or dad or doctor or the drug police, just a fellow narcotic lover who learned the hard way. Most people do, but the hard way SUCKS. I would save yourself the trouble and stay away from that road.

Good luck man, be safe.

 

[Ds]

also, i'm going to go ahead and tell u this, never rinse off ur spoon or bottom of a can,also never throw away the little cottons u use, save them bitchs.
so one day when ur going against all ur morals u already have this lined up.
also works good when ur dopesick.


MODNOTE: FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY, DISREGARD THE ABOVE IDIOTIC POST.

 

[bapae]

You dont want to start IVing, It's a bad road to take and nothing good is going to come from it.

If anything try plugging instead of IVing.

 

[bloodshed344]

listen to bapae. plugging is fun. plugging 2c-e is pretty god-like.

 

[fluke2010]

My warning may seem obvious but its obvious for a reason. Don't do it. If you dont feel you have to. It is a very high risk thing to do, especially with limited experience of opiates. I tried heroin with a friend, smoked and loved it and was able to enjoy the experience and move on. He wasn't, he shot IM in his leg, got infected with big swollen wounds. Got addicted, started shooting other things. His life spiralled out of control he alienated himself from his family, ended up getting kicked out and I havent seen my best friend in years.

I am by no means saying this is what will happen. Just trying to point out that what you are considering comes with a heavy risk. Do you really think you will be able to do it once? Honestly? Or are you telling yourself that to convince yourself? I think it may be possible to do it only once, but its whether its possible for you to do it once. This is something I have considered in the past IVing in general as much as with heroin. I feel the risk is too high for harm or potential addiction.
On a side note, heroin is a pretty amazing experience. Do you really need to try to make it better?

If you decide to do it please take as much care as possible and make sure you what you are doing, how and how much.

I just wanted to add that the sameoldfears post has some exceptional advice in it.

 

[FnX]

A lot of good advice has been said in this thread, but there is one thing I'd like to emphasize is if you decide to go through with this (it's a pretty big decision imo). Sometimes when people inject with bad or unsafe technique/procedure and it turns out 'ok' as in nothing bad happens, they think it's all right because nothing bad happened. It's not. When you do something very risky and nothing bad comes out of it, it means you're lucky, not that you're safe. ALWAYS adhere to the safe procedure even if seemingly nothing bad happens when you do things impatiently (a lot of us are guilty of this, me included), each and every time you IV something there's a risk that something bad happens and you really want to minimize that risk.

 

[down508]

whatever you decide I wish you luck. I don't know a single person personally who has shot heroin and had it not turn into a pretty serious problem. people say "oh well not every one is an addict" but if someone is considering intravenous heroin the chances of them not being an "addict" are pretty slim. just remember that even though you can control your use with relative ease now does not in any way mean you will be able to down the road when your into shooting smack. it's a completely different beast in my experience, although snorting or smoking heroin can be just as bad. Many of my friends and I see the moment we started injecting as a turning point in our lives, many of us aren't around today to tell the story, the rest are struggling to survive day to day life.

Be fully aware of what your getting yourself into. Dont underestimate the drug or overestimate your will power. i have a friend who still refuses to admit he's addicted because he spent so much time talking about how he had all this control and couldn't possibly get addicted to drugs. He still refuses to admit he is mentally addicted, only saying he's physically dependent, like thats some kind of excuse. denial is a powerful force in many peoples lives. If you end up doing it the chances of it ruining your life are very high, if you don't do it and give heroin the boot (and other opiates for that matter) the chances are very low. your putting a lot of things on the line for a rush, and if you have second thoughts about it in the future it may be too late. do what you think is right, but be real with yourself. the fact that your considering it is a bad sign in itself.

 

[brutus]

This is a decision that will most likely haunt you for the rest of your entire life.

 

[mrflowers00]

shooting durgs isn't worth it it's so easy to become addicted not just to the high but the needle it's self

 

[Fuelmeonce]

As an IV drug user if I could give you any advice on it, just don't do it. Once you do you will NEVER go back to any other ROA. If I could EVER take back one decision in my life, it would be the time I first decided to put a needle in my skin.

I'm sure most other IV users like myself would tell you the same thing.

 

[blight12]

Plug it man. Similar effects, none of the issues and risks and im sure its faster to do as well? Why is this not used more. Is there some sort of cultural or social reason beyond IV use. I get the whole thing around the ritual and the link from action to reward etc.

Maybe IV users are scared or worried about their IV using buddies looking down on their plugging preference, not accepting their enlightened path of a better drug addled life? I guess they must be close minded judgmental bunch. Though being rejected by the IV crowd would be saying something and definitely not be a good thing for the self esteem. (Im just kidding, not dissing iv users lol)

I know why it might be less popular: Plugging will probably never grow to be an accepted group or social activity in the drug scene, probably no group plugging parties or binges with mates plugging away casually from time to time while chilling around the bonfire with a few beers (such a shame, sounds like fun) and celebrating life and im sure sharing of methods and teaching/bragging of correct implemention or improvements through example might also be uncommon or uncomfortable.

I dont get the stigma. Reminds me when i moved schools as a high school student. At my new school all the guys for some reason would not admit and completely denied that they might pleasure themselves from time to time (i just hate the technical word, its to long and i feel dirty writing it) as if its bad or weird. Weirdos. My mate and I quickly changed this idea when our admittance, which resulted in responses of "eww thats dirty", resulted in our response of how weird and very unmanly, and creepy it was for a young guy to not partake in this activity, he would not be a man at all, but a sexless object not deserving of femininity, manhood or life itself and girls would never go near an untested overloaded weapon. Plus if you didnt clear the pipes your balls would rupture (this new school of unsuspecting inexperienced kids was like shooting sheep in a barnhouse), non of which could not be argued with. And like how we freed these young men from the shackles of pointless social niceties and provided the gift of not giving a shit as well as guilt free, money free on demand euphoria unlike any normal drug, we need more enlightened and progressed people to spread the gift and joys of anal drug delivery and its many benefits improvements to the outdated savage self mutilating methods of a older forgotten time.


Here are a few ideas: Plugging could have a similar argument of reduced risks compared to IV. These could be championed by some brave trailblazers. Something to be proud of no doubt.

Next time your mate misses a shot or cant find a good vein or tracks cause other issues, explain to him how your improved ROA never results in missed shots or health scares since the target is area is much larger and clearly marked for easier targeting and does not require any sharp objecting piercing your flesh and scaring your body or introducing terrifying contaminants that could end up anywhere in your body, causing who knows what damage.

No damage to veins or issues in this regard either since your high tech new and improved internal veins V2 dont need piercing or other such savagery, they are much more advanced and user friendly and actually absorb the stuff from the outside without impact on potency and without damage of any kind, your new super veins are impervious to harm dont hide away and can be trusted to always be there when you need them.

Ask him if his outdated fragile, unreliable veins can boast that amount of benefits in comparison.

No track marks either, only skid marks at most, which can be far more easily managed. Less risk and effort too. Im certain cooking and extreme safety concerns are also less necessary.

Your new state of the art drug delivery system deals with hardcore shit all day and any number of unwanted contaminants everyday with ease and bit of cut or other such unwanted trespasser will be dealt with without mercy and safely and also as a bonus automatically expelled from the premises shortly after.

Can his drug delivery method deal with heavy duty contaminants like corn, macdonalds, digestive acids, bacteria and large foreign objects if necessary, depending on your personal preferences? Yours can.

Far better then wasted time ensuring sanitation or risking some foreign object expelled from some random nakid drug packers sweaty orifice traveling through your blood steam and getting stuck in your brain causing a stroke and instant death or worse.

I guess plugging will need to become more common and more accepted before it gains momentum but the benefits are there for sure. In fact its like your ass was specifically designed by god himself for your drug delivery convenience and safety and perfected in every way possible before this universe ever existed in the first place.

Tell your friends that god is angry, disappointed and insulted in them for using silly risky workaround when he went through the trouble of providing you perfect a mechanism for this instead. Its purposes are rather obvious made perfectly clear by the ability to absorb your favorite chemicals in that specific area with great efficiency. Obviously thats not just there so you can reabsorb your own shit for some reason and that feature wasnt built into our arms either. Lets use what we have been given.

Explain that its a simple decision of insulting god and inviting doom and misery or using your DOC in a much improved and less brutal way with far more benefits and reduced risk and in the natural proper way intended by nature and god himself. (Your chosen deity here) approved drug use without guilt or shame as well as guaranteed acceptance into the afterlife of your choice. Or the alternative of archaic unnatural self mutilation, misery and death followed by eternal damnation?

I challenge your friends to argue with that and if they do, you need new friends who have not yet friend their brains on to many drugs.

Oh and im not dissing IV use, its all good, i just like talking shit, literally. Still plugging seems pretty decent as my nonsense seems to make sense in some ways surprisingly.

 

[oxyschottin]

^ I think a lot of I've users don't plug becuz they are addicted to the needle.UK for me I started out plugging a few times with great success but as soon as that needle went in my arm I was gone. I fell in love with the process and the instant gratification and pain relief. I now find my mind telling me its a waste to use any other roa.

 

[blight12]

Yeah for sure ROA, rituals and related actions for usage are as addicting as the drug itself besides the association of action to reward with imroved ROA;s like IV. The result is a convincing argument or conviction around the activity or ROA as critical or necessary part to achisve the desired result. Cigs are tough to put down also due to this.